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1). Some patients who do not respond therapies of depression may simply have received inadequate treatment, having, for example been prescribed a drug as a dosage too low to be effective or having been taken off a drug too soon.

A -- having, for example been prescribed a drug as a dosage too low to be effective or having been

B -- having, for example, a drug prescription that was ineffective because the dosage was too low, or being

C -- as, for example, having too low of a dosage of prescribed drug for it to be effective, or being

D -- when they have, for example, been prescribed too low a drug dosage for it to be effective, or were

E -- for example, when they have a drug prescription with a dosage too low to be effective, or been

2). Officials at the United States Mint believe that the Sacagawea dollar coin will be used more as a substitute for four quarters rather than for the dollar bill because its weight, only 8.1 grams, is far less than four quarters, which weigh 5.67 grams each.

A -- more as a substitute for four quarters rather than for the dollar bill because its weight, only 8.1 grams, is far less than

B -- more as a substitute for four quarters than the dollar bill because it weighs only 8.1 grams, far lighter than

C -- as a substitute for four quarters more than for a dollar bill because it weighs only 8.1 grams, far less than

D -- as a substitute for four quarters more than the dollar bill because its weight of only 8.1 grams is far lighter than it is for

E -- as a substitute more for four quarters rather than for the dollar bill because its weight, only 8.1 grams, is far less than it is for

Please explain your answers !!
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 [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2006, 12:16
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U2, I agree, "been" stands a bit alone and I had to convince myself to bind it to "they have (...).

But I prefered E to D coz I dont like "prescribed too low a dosage". It doesnt sound right. I wd prefer "prescribed a too low dosage".
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Re: SC's - 2 more !! [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2006, 11:48
Very difficult SCs. Took me a long time to answer

E and E!!!!!!!!!!

A -- having, for example been prescribed a drug as a dosage too low to be effective or having been
NOK - as a dosage to low - wrong

B -- having, for example, a drug prescription that was ineffective because the dosage was too low, or being
NOK - having (...) was ineffective- tense problem

C -- as, for example, having too low of a dosage of prescribed drug for it to be effective, or being
NOK - as... wrong


D -- when they have, for example, been prescribed too low a drug dosage for it to be effective, or were
NOK- wordy

E -- for example, when they have a drug prescription with a dosage too low to be effective, or been
OK

2). Officials at the United States Mint believe that the Sacagawea dollar coin will be used more as a substitute for four quarters rather than for the dollar bill because its weight, only 8.1 grams, is far less than four quarters, which weigh 5.67 grams each.

A -- more as a substitute for four quarters rather than for the dollar bill because its weight, only 8.1 grams, is far less than

B -- more as a substitute for four quarters than the dollar bill because it weighs only 8.1 grams, far lighter than

C -- as a substitute for four quarters more than for a dollar bill because it weighs only 8.1 grams, far less than


D -- as a substitute for four quarters more than the dollar bill because its weight of only 8.1 grams is far lighter than it is for


E -- as a substitute more for four quarters rather than for the dollar bill because its weight, only 8.1 grams, is far less than it is for
OK //- because as a substitute more for X than [as a substitute] for Y because Z is far less than [Z] is ...
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 [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2006, 12:00
Answers are D and C...sure

as described ---

1st one
A - having, for example been prescribed a drug as a dosage too low to be effective or having been ---> wrong awkward use of for example.
B -- having, for example, a drug prescription that was ineffective because the dosage was too low, or being ----> wrong awkward.
C -- as, for example, having too low of a dosage of prescribed drug for it to be effective, or being ----> wrong usage of as and not parallel.
D -- when they have, for example, been prescribed too low a drug dosage for it to be effective, or were ---> correct
E -- for example, when they have a drug prescription with a dosage too low to be effective, or been --->awkward

2). Officials at the United States Mint believe that the Sacagawea dollar coin will be used more as a substitute for four quarters rather than for the dollar bill because its weight, only 8.1 grams, is far less than four quarters, which weigh 5.67 grams each.

A -- more as a substitute for four quarters rather than for the dollar bill because its weight, only 8.1 grams, is far less than ---> wrong for more as ... rather than
B -- more as a substitute for four quarters than the dollar bill because it weighs only 8.1 grams, far lighter than ---> wrong comparison
C -- as a substitute for four quarters more than for a dollar bill because it weighs only 8.1 grams, far less than ----> correct comparison
D -- as a substitute for four quarters more than the dollar bill because its weight of only 8.1 grams is far lighter than it is for -----> wrong comparison
E -- as a substitute more for four quarters rather than for the dollar bill because its weight, only 8.1 grams, is far less than it is for ----> wordy, usage of more ... rather than is not common
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 [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2006, 12:04
ok... I am coming out to defend my answers

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A -- having, for example been prescribed a drug as a dosage too low to be effective or having been
lacks comma after FOR EXAMPLE and HAVING BEEN is NOT a tense!!!

B -- having, for example, a drug prescription that was ineffective because the dosage was too low, or being
NO WAY.... having is a gerund and can't play a verb here by itself... BEING is also incorrect

C -- as, for example, having too low of a dosage of prescribed drug for it to be effective, or being
as, for example -> is redundant
BEING is incorrect... also seems to say treatment was taken off the drug... ???? any logic here???


D -- when they have, for example, been prescribed too low a drug dosage for it to be effective, or were
they clearly refers to patients, who were taken off the drug

E -- for example, when they have a drug prescription with a dosage too low to be effective, or been
problem here is a comma... it cuts off the ellipsis completely and BEEN can't stand by itself
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 [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2006, 12:13
2nd question

Officials at the United States Mint believe that the Sacagawea dollar coin will be used more as a substitute for four quarters rather than for the dollar bill because its weight, only 8.1 grams, is far less than four quarters, which weigh 5.67 grams each.

A -- more as a substitute for four quarters rather than for the dollar bill because its weight, only 8.1 grams, is far less than

B -- more as a substitute for four quarters than the dollar bill because it weighs only 8.1 grams, far lighter than four quarters

C -- as a substitute for four quarters more than for a dollar bill because it weighs only 8.1 grams, far less than

D -- as a substitute for four quarters more than the dollar bill because its weight of only 8.1 grams is far lighter than it is for

E -- as a substitute more for four quarters rather than for the dollar bill because its weight, only 8.1 grams, is far less than it is for

as you can see ||sm is interrupted in A D and E

B has a WRONG comparison... as a substitute vs. four quarters.... definitely wrong
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 [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2006, 12:20
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U2, I agree, "been" stands a bit alone and I had to convince myself to bind it to "they have (...).

But I prefered E to D coz I dont like "prescribed too low a dosage". It doesnt sound right. I wd prefer "prescribed a too low dosage".


A BIT ALONE??? this is a really good reason to eliminate E... because the 2nd part really refers to "they have... blah blah..." and with the comma what does BEEN refer to???

I would not pick E for sure because of this and another somewhat an argument is that in GMAT you don't go by what sounds right :wink:

unless it is a typo and comma should not be there, I am not switching to E :!:
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 [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2006, 12:47
The more I read the sentence, the more I think you might be right.
What convinces me is that the past tense of D fit more to the past tense of the main sentence. That's not the case with E.

And I m thinking also if I am not wrong with (2)... :evil:
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 [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2006, 18:52
Agree with D and C.
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 [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2006, 20:40
1. D (remember it from Kaplan 800)
2. C (former error log entry)
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 [#permalink] New post 15 Aug 2006, 03:01
OA'S

1) A
2) C

dwivedys can you please explain the logic for 1st one?
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 [#permalink] New post 15 Aug 2006, 07:12
PPGJ wrote:
OA'S

1) A
2) C

dwivedys can you please explain the logic for 1st one?

I rejected A because of lack of comma after "for example". Is this a typo???
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 [#permalink] New post 15 Aug 2006, 09:01
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PPGJ wrote:
OA'S

1) A
2) C

dwivedys can you please explain the logic for 1st one?

I rejected A because of lack of comma after "for example". Is this a typo???


I don't believe this... I agree no comma is bad, but what about HAVING BEEN... do we have a tense like that??? I thought it is only HAVE/HAS/HAD BEEN... what tense is HAVING BEEN??? Is this Present Perfect Progressive??? Any idea???

what's the source of this question? and is there an OE?
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 [#permalink] New post 15 Aug 2006, 09:15
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ps_dahiya wrote:
PPGJ wrote:
OA'S

1) A
2) C

dwivedys can you please explain the logic for 1st one?

I rejected A because of lack of comma after "for example". Is this a typo???


I don't believe this... I agree no comma is bad, but what about HAVING BEEN... do we have a tense like that??? I thought it is only HAVE/HAS/HAD BEEN... what tense is HAVING BEEN??? Is this Present Perfect Progressive??? Any idea???

what's the source of this question? and is there an OE?

This is not a tense. This is an absoulte phrase. usage of "Having been" is not a problem. See this:

http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/047.html

For absolute constructions see this:
http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/001.html

But I am still confused by the no use of comma.
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 [#permalink] New post 15 Aug 2006, 09:20
thanks dahiya... I must study this :read

but no comma still stands :wink:
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 [#permalink] New post 15 Aug 2006, 09:27
PPGJ wrote:
OA'S

1) A
2) C

dwivedys can you please explain the logic for 1st one?


1). Some patients who do not respond therapies of depression may simply have received inadequate treatment, having, for example been prescribed a drug as a dosage too low to be effective or having been taken off a drug too soon.

A -- having, for example been prescribed a drug as a dosage too low to be effective or having been

having, for example been prescribed ......or having been taken off

is parallel. That's why i liked this one. I realized for example lacks a comma but I remember reading in one of the test prep books that GMAT normally does NOT test punctuation errors. So long as the there are no Grammatical structure errors, it should be fine though I may stand corrected if I have misinterpreted this clause.

B -- having, for example, a drug prescription that was ineffective because the dosage was too low, or being

Clearly wrong. A drug prescription can't be ineffective.

C -- as, for example, having too low of a dosage of prescribed drug for it to be effective, or being

as, for example, having too low of a dosage ... or being is not parallel

D -- when they have, for example, been prescribed too low a drug dosage for it to be effective, or were

when they have been prescribe and or were ..tense conflict and unparallel structure.

E -- for example, when they have a drug prescription with a dosage too low to be effective, or been

Again unparallel structure is basically why i ruled this one out.
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 [#permalink] New post 15 Aug 2006, 10:36
Im still confused with A and with the f... AS.

(...) prescribed a drug as a dosage to low.
I didnt choose it, because I didn't like the use of AS. I thought it could be used only with a clause. Can someone please explain? What doest it stand for?
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Aug 2006, 02:03
Dahiya you are right there is a comma after "for example" -- I am extremely sorry for the typing mistake, Am sorry once again for messing up the whole SC discussion.
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Aug 2006, 06:36
PPGJ wrote:
Dahiya you are right there is a comma after "for example" -- I am extremely sorry for the typing mistake, Am sorry once again for messing up the whole SC discussion.

Thats what I am talking about. :king
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Re: SC's - 2 more !! [#permalink] New post 05 Jun 2008, 09:39
Also in the 1st, (A) does not have the ambiguity w.r.t "they" which is present in D and E.

"They" could refer to "therapies of depression" or "patients".
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