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ssandeepan wrote:
Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.


(A) were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from

(B) influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from

(C) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, was also inspirational to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was different significantly in comparison to

(D) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, who included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, the music of whom differed significantly when compared to

(E) were an influence on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was significantly different from that of



Meaning is crucial to solving this problem:
Understanding the intended meaning is key to solving this question; the intended meaning of this sentence is that Bill Monroe's repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists, and he also inspired many artists, many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his.

Concepts tested here: Grammatical Construction + Subject-Verb Agreement + Parallelism + Awkwardness/Redundancy

• When “that” is preceded by a comma, it refers to the noun before the earlier comma.

A: This answer choice incorrectly refers to “bluegrass artists” with “that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia”, incorrectly implying that Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia are among the musicians influenced by Bill Monroe's repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style; the intended meaning is that Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia are among the musicians inspired by Bill Monroe, himself; please remember, when “that” is preceded by a comma, it refers to the noun before the earlier comma; hence, in this sentence, “that” incorrectly refers to “musicians”. Further, Option A uses the passive voice constructions “were influential on” and “was also an inspiration to”, rendering it unnecessarily indirect and awkward.

B: Correct. This answer choice correctly refers to the plural compound noun “repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style” with the plural verb “were”. Further, Option B correctly modifies “musicians” with “including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia”, conveying the intended meaning – that Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia are among the musicians inspired by Bill Monroe. Moreover, Option B uses the phrase “differed…from his own”, conveying the intended meaning – that the music of artists such as Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia differed significantly from Bill Monroe's music. Additionally, Option B is free of any awkwardness or redundancy.

C: This answer choice incorrectly refers to the plural compound noun “repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style” with the singular verb “was”. Further, Option C incorrectly refers to “bluegrass artists” with “that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia”, incorrectly implying that Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia are among the musicians influenced by Bill Monroe's repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style; the intended meaning is that Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia are among the musicians inspired by Bill Monroe, himself; please remember, when “that” is preceded by a comma, it refers to the noun before the earlier comma; hence, in this sentence, “that” incorrectly refers to “musicians”. Additionally, Option C uses the passive voice constructions “was influential to”, “was also inspirational”, and “was different significantly in comparison to”, rendering it unnecessarily indirect and awkward.

D: This answer choice incorrectly refers to the plural compound noun “repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style” with the singular verb “was”. Further, Option D uses the passive voice constructions “was influential to” and “the music of whom…compared to”, rendering it unnecessarily indirect and awkward.

E: Trap. This answer choice alters the meaning of the sentence through the phrase “from that of his own”; here, the pronoun “that” refers to “music”; thus, the use of “that” illogically implies that the music of musicians such as Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia differed significantly from “that”, referring to “music” of Bill Monroe's own (music); the intended meaning is that the music of musicians such as Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia differed significantly from Bill Monroe's music. Further, Option E uses the passive voice constructions “were an influence on” and “was also an inspiration to”, rendering it unnecessarily indirect and awkward.

Hence, B is the best answer choice.

To understand the concept of the rare case when "That" is preceded by a comma, you may want to watch the following video (~1 minute):



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A:
- "Influential on" is bad idiomatic usage.
- "That included" can't follow a comma, and, even if you remove the comma, the meaning is absurd (the implication would be that Elvis and Jerry composed part of the anatomy of many different musicians).

C:
- "Was influential to" is at best awkward.
- See A for discussion of "that included."
- "Significantly" should come before "different."
- "In comparison to" is redundant because the sentence already says "different."

D:
- See above for "influential to."
- The wording of this choice implies that bluegrass artists aren't musicians (skeleton sentence: "BM, whose stuff influenced lots of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians.")
- "The music of whom" is wordy ("whose music" is better).
- "Differed when compared to" is redundant - and it's an incorrect interpretation (literally, it means that the music was only 'different' when someone was actively comparing it to some other music).

E:
- "That of his own" is redundant
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Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

(A) were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from No obvious grammatical errors but very awkward wording used: "influenced" is better than "were influential on", "also inspired" is better than "was also an inspiration" and "including" is better than "that included". I would go with this only if all other options have obvious errors. For now, eliminate.

(B) influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from Perfect ! All the mentions above are corrected and no other errors introduced.

(C) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, was also inspirational to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was different significantly in comparison to Need plural verb "were influential" to refer to multiple factors (which itself is awkward, as we have seen above), not "was influential". Also includes other awkwardly worded elements. Eliminate.

(D) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, who included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, the music of whom differed significantly when compared to Same SV error as in (C). Also, "the music of whom" is awkward - "whose music" is much better. Eliminate.

(E) were an influence on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was significantly different from that of "that of" is redundant here. Other awkwardly worded elements are there such as "also an inspiration to..." and "were an influence on...". Eliminate.

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Can someone try to explain why 'whose music was significantly different from that of his own' is wrong in E.
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Can someone try to explain why 'whose music was significantly different from that of his own' is wrong in E.


Hi,

The issue with choice E is that it uses an expression that is considered unidiomatic. The expression "were an influence on" in choice E is that expression.

Also, GMAT emphasizes on concise expressions and use of fewer words to effectively convey the meaning of the sentence. In choice E, we have a few very wordy expressions: "was also an inspiration to" ans "whose music was significantly different from that of". The first expression can be written as "inspired". Also active voice is preferred here because the emphasis is on the doer. The sentence talks about Bill Monroe who is the subject in the sentence. Hence it is better to keep all the actions in active voice for clarity and conciseness.

The second expression includes a contrast between the music of Bill Monroe and Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia. Notice that in choice B, this contrast reads as: "whose music differed significantly from his own (music)." The word "music" is understood after "own" as it appears already in the sentence. Hence the use of "that of" becomes wordy in choice E. These are the reasons why choice E is eliminated and choice B is the correct answer.

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My doubt regarding the option B is: Shouldn't there be "from that of" at the end of option B?
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My doubt regarding the option B is: Shouldn't there be "from that of" at the end of option B?


Lets see whether THAT is necessary. If we cut all the fluff, we get

Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia music differed significantly from his own
What does "His own" stands for? "HIS OWN" is a Possessive pronoun & They are not followed by nouns, but stand alone.
HIS OWN means HIS OWN MUSIC. Thus this use is absolutely correct.

Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia music differed significantly from THAT OF his own
THAT stands for MUSIC, so we can rewrite the above sentence as
Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia music differed significantly from MUSIC OF his own MUSIC
Now my question is- Do you think we need to repeat MUSIC by using THAT, if MUSIC is already implied through the use of HIS OWN, a possessive pronoun.
I Hope your answer would be big NO

For the same reason option B is absolutely correct.
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Hi E-GMAT,

i got stuck with the sentence structure of this question could you please explained especially the "whose repertory,
views on musical collaboration, and vocal style infl uenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians," in the sentence "whose repertory and then comma" what is 'views and vocal style" is it a noun modifier?

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Hi E-GMAT,

i got stuck with the sentence structure of this question could you please explained especially the "whose repertory,
views on musical collaboration, and vocal style infl uenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians," in the sentence "whose repertory and then comma" what is 'views and vocal style" is it a noun modifier?

Thanks


Dear Nitin,

These three items form a list. Next time, try the sentence structure analysis; it'll help you identify the parts of the sentence. Here's the analysis:

Clause 1: Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe,
Clause 2: whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists,
Clause 1 continued: was also an inspiration to many musicians,
Clause 3: that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia,
Clause 4: whose music differed significantly from his own.

I have highlighted the subjects in red and the verbs in blue.

What does this sentence mean? Its main point is to say that Monroe inspired many musicians, including people whose music was different from his own. The part you have a question about is a clause that functions as a modifier: whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass musicians. This modifier contains a list: three aspects of Monroe's music influenced other musicians. These were: (1) his repertory, (1) his views on musical collaboration, and (3) his vocal style.

I hope this helps to clarify your doubt!

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Nitinaka19 wrote:
Hi E-GMAT,

i got stuck with the sentence structure of this question could you please explained especially the "whose repertory,
views on musical collaboration, and vocal style infl uenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians," in the sentence "whose repertory and then comma" what is 'views and vocal style" is it a noun modifier?

Thanks


Dear Nitin,

These three items form a list. Next time, try the sentence structure analysis; it'll help you identify the parts of the sentence. Here's the analysis:

Clause 1: Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe,
Clause 2: whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists,
Clause 1 continued: was also an inspiration to many musicians,
Clause 3: that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia,
Clause 4: whose music differed significantly from his own.

I have highlighted the subjects in red and the verbs in blue.

What does this sentence mean? It's main point is to say that Monroe inspired many musicians, including people whose music was different from his own. The part you have a question about is a clause that functions as a modifier: whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass musicians. This modifier contains a list: three aspects Monroe's music influenced other musicians. These were: (1) his repertory, (1) his views on musical collaboration, and (3) his vocal style.

I hope this helps to clarify your doubt!

Regards,
Meghna


Thanks for the explanation. I was stuck between B & E and I picked E over B as I think B changes the meaning of the original sentence.
As per your analysis was refers to Bill Monroe, not his repertory, views and vocal style.
But in B, also inspired doesn't seem to refer to Bill Monroe, instead it is referring to his repertory, views and vocal style.

Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

Is this analysis correct.
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prasun9 wrote:

Thanks for the explanation. I was stuck between B & E and I picked E over B as I think B changes the meaning of the original sentence.
As per your analysis was refers to Bill Monroe, not his repertory, views and vocal style.
But in B, also inspired doesn't seem to refer to Bill Monroe, instead it is referring to his repertory, views and vocal style.

Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

Is this analysis correct.


Dear Prasun,

Thanks for your response. Let me address both issues you've pointed out. First, Bill Monroe is indeed the subject of "also inspired". You can be sure about this by removing the modifier and checking if the sentence still makes sense:

Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

When the modifier is removed, the subject still makes sense with the verb "inspired". Remember that modifiers placed between commas give additional information that can be removed without affecting the main point or the grammatical correctness of the sentence, so this is a good way to strip the sentence down to its basic elements and check whether it is correct.

Second, Monroe's repertory, views and vocal style can't be the subject of "inspired", for two reasons. 1) If so, the subject Bill Monroe no longer has a verb. 2) If the subject "repertory, views and vocal style" has two verbs, then these verbs should be joined by a connector such as "and", since they should be parallel items on a list. There is no such conjunction between "influenced" and "inspired".

I hope this helps to clarify your doubts!

Regards,
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The first point of elimination should be the subject verb agreement.
The subject is plural here, hence we need a plural verb - were.
Eliminate C and D

When faced with a choice, always follow VAN.

Option A does not follow this rule. Plus that should not be preceded by a comma
Option B is correct as is.
Option E is in passive voice and uses were and influence, which falls below influenced in the VAN rule

Correct Option: B
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Hi daagh egmat sayantanc2k

in B (the correct answer) we have ,V-ing. From my understanding: ,V-ing is used to modify the entire preceding clause, but in B , V-ing is used to modify the preceding noun musicians.

Could you please explain such contradiction in B? Many thanks for your kindly comments! :-D
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The very purpose of using ", V-ing" is for not referring to the touching noun. If you want the 'including' to refer to the musicians, then you should remove the comma as in 'many musicians including''. Therefore, the comma plus V-ing is not referring to the musicians as I see it.
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The very purpose of using ", V-ing" is for not referring to the touching noun. If you want the 'including' to refer to the musicians, then you should remove the comma as in 'many musicians including''. Therefore, the comma plus V-ing is not referring to the musicians as I see it.


Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

I can not figure out which phrase ,including modifies? Hi daagh, please elaborate more on modifier ,including!
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Probably the following link may be of help.

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in B (the correct answer) we have ,V-ing. From my understanding: ,V-ing is used to modify the entire preceding clause, but in B , V-ing is used to modify the preceding noun musicians.

Could you please explain such contradiction in B? Many thanks for your kindly comments! :-D

Hi leanhdung, actually the word including is not your usual V-ing modifier. In fact, it's not a modifier at all; it is actually a preposition. Hence, the usual rules of participial phrases do not apply to including.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana has a brief note on the usage of including. Have attached the corresponding section of the book, for your reference.
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