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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 11 Jul 2011, 15:30
Great thread!!! Thanks Bob and Zach

I have a MS in EE degree from US and a Bachelors degree from India. Is the focus on both the undergrad and the grad school or would it be more on my recent degree? Not sure if having a MS is a disadvantage since the program is a dual degree, can there be an issue as to why I want to go for a dual degree rather than just MBA? ( I have my reasons why but just want to make sure if it would be a disadvantage?)

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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 11 Jul 2011, 16:11
Manutd8,

Thanks for the question - this one comes up a lot.

Regarding the requirement for an engineering/science/technical degree, I don't believe this is explicitly written in stone as a make-or-break requirement; however, I do have some "but's" for you:

The MIT Sloan MBA is extraordinarily quantitative in its own right, so having a strong quantitative background, regardless of your undergraduate degree, is an imperative. It sounds like between your undergrad record, work experience, and GMAT quant score, you'd be OK in proving your stuff to the Sloan MBA admissions folks.

The big sticking point with non engineering/science/tech applicants is that in order to be admitted to LGO, you must be admitted by each of 3 separate entities: The LGO Admissions Committee, the MIT Sloan Admissions Committee, and the Admissions team from your chosen department in the School of Engineering. I think the Engineering Admissions team would be the most difficult for you to sell with an undergraduate degree in Economics.

I certainly would not discourage you from applying, as it sounds like your interests are in the right place. I would just caution you to spend a fair amount of time thinking about how to craft your application to tell the School of Engineering folks that you belong in a graduate engineering program.

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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 11 Jul 2011, 16:16
Hemantuec,

Thanks for the question.

The admissions team is going to focus on your entire body of work, so I wouldn't worry too much about differentiating your undergraduate vs. graduate education.

Additionally, already having an MS in an engineering discipline is definitely not a detractor from your application strength. In fact, I would estimate that more than a dozen of my 50 current classmates have an MS already in their discipline.

You may be interested in checking out the Engineering Systems Division (ESD) option, as this is a popular program for students who already have an MS in their discipline. ESD is actually our largest subset of LGO students, and I think you'll find that the program offers some interesting courses of study. You can learn more at:

http://engineering.mit.edu/education/graduate/esd.php

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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 13 Jul 2011, 06:13
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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 14 Jul 2011, 09:26
Hi Bob,

Can you tell me a little about the student life? Do you guys have any fun?
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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 15 Jul 2011, 15:38
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Great question. Student life has been fantastic so far. There aren't a lot of programs operating during the summer at MIT, so the new LGO class basically has the entire campus to itself. We've done a lot of exploring in Cambridge and Boston, and make efforts to get together whenever possible. I feel like you could probably go to a new restaurant/bar everyday throughout the two year program and still not hit them all. People have taken in Red Sox games, and the Stanley Cup finals just came through Boston, as well.

LGO is definitely a lot of work, but we also make time to play. It helps us to stay sane, and affords us all ample opportunity to make new friends.

It's been a ton of fun so far.
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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 16 Jul 2011, 21:25
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CrazyH,

Great question. Student life has been fantastic so far. There aren't a lot of programs operating during the summer at MIT, so the new LGO class basically has the entire campus to itself. We've done a lot of exploring in Cambridge and Boston, and make efforts to get together whenever possible. I feel like you could probably go to a new restaurant/bar everyday throughout the two year program and still not hit them all. People have taken in Red Sox games, and the Stanley Cup finals just came through Boston, as well.

LGO is definitely a lot of work, but we also make time to play. It helps us to stay sane, and affords us all ample opportunity to make new friends.

It's been a ton of fun so far.


Hi great to see your thread. What is the average GMAT score at LGO programme? Do you need a GRE score (international applicant) if you have a Masters of Science in an engineering field?
How do you find the teaching standards? (Assuming you are not from Ivy League formerly)
Lastly, how exactly is the MBA and programme quantitatively intensive? (Do you need pre-req in certain areas?)
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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 25 Jul 2011, 06:58
Hello Bob, Zach!

Great to see a post about LGO! :)

I've been following the program for some years now and plan to apply this year. Although from an engineering background, I am not sure as to what expect regarding the quantitative level of the program (specifically the engineering program). I haven't been doing "hard" quant for some years now and I feel a bit rusty. Are most of the basics covered? What courses would you recommend to take before joining?

I have a Mechanical Engineering degree (3 years) and two MS and are planning to take a third one this year as a final preparation for MIT LGO. I've taken one MS in Lean Manufacturing and another one in Industrial Management and haven't really expanded that much my quant curriculum.

I'm also working as a Manufacturing Manager leading a ~50 workers manufacturing plant. Are there many people with shop floor experience?

Regarding internship, could you please provide some indepth in how the process of selection / chosing company works?

PS: I'm international, from Europe. Any extra advice?

Thank you very much!

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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 26 Jul 2011, 08:21
LGODream,

Thanks for your post. These are interesting questions.

Regarding the quantitative rigor of the program, I would say that it is exactly what you would expect from a graduate-level engineering curriculum at MIT, i.e. it's very quantitative. The instructors assume that you already have a full undergraduate engineering education, and they start building from there. Given your background, though, I wouldn't worry a tremendous amount about not being able to manage the quant. expectations.

If you did want to brush up on some basics before matriculating, I would recommend revisiting probability/statistics and basic calculus.

There are a lot of people who have shop floor experience. In fact, I'd say the majority of my class has worked on a shop floor in a supervisory/managerial role at some point in their career. That's definitely not a detractor to your application. In fact, those are the types of experiences that can be used for inspiration in your essays to really convey your interest in operations management.

On the subject of internship selection, I believe the process is pretty formal. I say "believe" only because I haven't actually gone through it yet. However, what I believe happens is that the partner companies offering internships will come to MIT and conduct individual interviews with each LGO who is interested in their internship offerings. Once the interviewing is completed, the partners rank their preferences of LGOs, the LGOs rank their preferences for internships, and a matching algorithm takes over.

Lastly, there are 5 international students in the class of 2013, and I believe this number is pretty typical for the incoming class (~10%). If you have permanent authorization to work in the US, definitely make mention of that on your application, as preference is given to applicants not in need of corporate sponsorship.

Hope that helps!
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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 27 Jul 2011, 04:58
Hey Bob,

Awesome, thank you for the detailed answers!

I have some more questions if you don't mind :o

I'm mostly interested in ESD track. Once you choose the curriculum, what mix of students do attend a certain engineering class from that track?

Also heard that Sloanies get grouped with 1 LGO for group prjoects. Could you explain a bit how the interaction between LGO and MIT Sloan MBA works? Read many things here and there but I'm kind of curious.

Last one (I promise!): I'm not very familiar with US grading/evaluating methods and there isn't much info on the net. I've done some searching on MIT OCW syllabus and such and it seems like every professor has its own ways (some mostly projects, others very high class participation, others exams...). How does the evaluation for the engineering / MBA works?

Thank you very much!

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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 27 Jul 2011, 08:02
Hi LGOdream,

You choose your engineering curriculum on your application, and once you enroll, you take engineering classes largely with students in the same curriculum, i.e. ESD students take a lot of the same classes together. There is some mixing between similar or related engineering disciplines, as MechE students often take ESD courses, and vice versa, but you probably won't find that many ChemE students in an ESD class, for example.

Regarding dividing the LGOs up among the Sloanies, that happens in the Fall once the incoming Sloan MBA students arrive on campus. Sloan divides each incoming class into large groups, called "oceans," and each ocean is broken down into smaller cohorts. The smaller groups will only have a handful of students, and the program coordinators make an effort to have only 1 LGO per group. In this way, it creates a maximum amount of mixing between the LGOs (who have already spent the entire summer together) and the Sloanies (who are just arriving at MIT. These smaller groups effectively become your teams for the core courses, and you'll complete group assignments by working together.

MIT grades on a 5.0 scale, which is a little bit different than most US universities (4.0 scale). A (excellent), B, C, D, F (failing) are represented as 5.0 through 1.0, respectively. As far as how individual classes are graded, that's entirely decided by the professor of the course. Some put a lot of weight in class participation, and some put no weight there. Some classes have only a mid-term and a final, while some have weekly homework's. It totally varies course-to-course.

Hope that helps.

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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 27 Jul 2011, 08:08
Bob,

Your insight is very much appreciated. Thank you for taking the time.

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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 07 Aug 2011, 13:46
Hi Bob and Zach,

Thanks for posting the information about LGO. I am very interested in this program. I am currently working in R&D at a big manufacturing company and my post-MBA goal is to work on the business development for a manufacturing company. Do you think this career goal is a good fit for the LGO?

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Average Work Exp/Age [#permalink] New post 15 Aug 2011, 12:16
Hi Bob and Zach,
I am working with one of the top OEMs in manufacturing. Overall I have approx 11 years of work experience. I am looking for a course in Management which will help me achieve my goals. MIT LGO seems to be pretty good course but I am not sure if it will be right for me after working for so many years. Do you think that your class has got a mix of older guys like me ?

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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 19 Aug 2011, 15:45
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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 06 Sep 2011, 10:33
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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 06 Sep 2011, 10:47
fsaq wrote:
Hi all,

I would like to reapply to LGO this year. I am wondering if stating that you want to focus on an industry that has nothing to do with the partner companies will hurt my application. I work on the Airline industry and I want to focus on the Airline industry after LGO. Given that LGO has no airlines as partner companies (there are plenty of aeronautics and aerospace companies, but no actual airlines), will it be counterproductive to mention that in my application?

I have heard the "be yourself" before when you write your essay, but I am not sure if LGO is looking for people passionate about operations that do not relate to what any of the partner companies do. After all, LGO partner companies hope to hire LGOs when they graduate.

Should I even consider reapplying?


Hello fsaq,

I don't think I'm the most appropiate person to reply, but I remember having read in some LGO blog, not long ago, a LGO student speaking about a very interesting subject related to airline traffic optimization or the like. Although in the webpage it is stated that LGO students should have the good faith to consider LGO partner companies first, nothing tells you if in two years an airline traffic company may join the program or that eventually you can find a job within a related partner company in such fields. In any case I think it is best to be honest and maybe even that can give you an edge.

For instance, I am a manufacturing manager managing a factory with 50 people and, although my profile is much more LGO-like, I think you already have some advantatge in regards of uniqueness! :P

GOOD LUCK, hope to so you in (if we both make it!)
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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 06 Sep 2011, 11:06
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Hello fsaq,

I don't think I'm the most appropiate person to reply, but I remember having read in some LGO blog, not long ago, a LGO student speaking about a very interesting subject related to airline traffic optimization or the like. Although in the webpage it is stated that LGO students should have the good faith to consider LGO partner companies first, nothing tells you if in two years an airline traffic company may join the program or that eventually you can find a job within a related partner company in such fields. In any case I think it is best to be honest and maybe even that can give you an edge.

For instance, I am a manufacturing manager managing a factory with 50 people and, although my profile is much more LGO-like, I think you already have some advantatge in regards of uniqueness! :P

GOOD LUCK, hope to so you in (if we both make it!)


I hope we both get in! I did see that note about Airline Optimizations ( i think it had to do with Revenue management) but I remember talking to an LGO during ambassador's day this past October and she was the only LGO to work for an Airline (ELAL Airlines I believe). She mentioned that in all of Sloan only her and another guy from the Phillipines were the only airliners in the MBA program.

Even though MIT has the Airline Industry Consortium which is supposed to work on innovating all aspects of airlines worldwide, it seems strange that only 2 people in Sloan came from airlines (I am assumming they will stay in the same industry post-MBA/LGO). I don't know, the more I think about it, the more I believe this is a weakness in my application. Specially since there are no airlines as partner companies. During ambassador's day I spoke to an LGO who mentioned that a rep from each partner company is invited as part of the admissions board and it seems highly likely that my background will not be looked upon generously.
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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2011, 20:06
Hi fsaq, LGOdream,

I would like to chime in briefly on your debate. More specifically, I would like to point out that LGO frequently is adding new partner companies (in fact, we have added Nike and MAG in the past month or so).

Additionally, we (as students) are given the opportunity to join committees that have a large bearing on the management and direction of the LGO program. I would recommend researching the committees further and seeing if you could leave a positive impact on LGO by taking an active role on these committees (the New Partners Committee for your interest) and perhaps working to add an airline to the list of partner companies.

Additionally, as a I assume you are aware, MIT is home to some of the world's greatest researchers on the airlines and flight safety. In fact, we had one of these exceptional professors as an instructor for a summer class-it was awesome.

As always, Bob and I are open to any further clarification and to answer any additional questions.

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Re: 2012 MIT Sloan Leaders for Global Operations (LGO) Thread [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2011, 21:27
Hi,
I am an international applicant. I am planing to apply to LGO this year. I would like to know if international work experience counts significantly in the admission process. Also, could you elaborate on how the diversity in the LGO class compares to that in the MBA class?
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