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In order to find the solution by simplifying the inequation (no absolute), we have to work on the following domains:
o x =< -6
o -6 < x < -3/2
o x >= -3/2

o If x =< -6, the inequation is simplified to:

-(2*x+3) > -(x+6)
<=> x < 3

Thus, all values of x such that x =< -6 are solutions.

o If -6 < x < -3/2, the inequation is simplified to:

-(2*x+3) > (x+6)
<=> 3*x < -9
<=> x < -3

Thus, all values of x such that -6 < x < -3 are solutions.

o If x >= -3/2, the inequation is simplified to:

(2*x+3) > (x+6)
<=> x > 3

Thus, all values of x such that x > 3 are solutions.

In order to find the solution by simplifying the inequation (no absolute), we have to work on the following domains: o x =< -6 o -6 < x < -3/2 o x >= -3/2

Hi Fig
Can you please explain how do you find the domains.
Thanks

In order to find the solution by simplifying the inequation (no absolute), we have to work on the following domains: o x =< -6 o -6 < x < -3/2 o x >= -3/2

Hi Fig Can you please explain how do you find the domains. Thanks

Basically, we look for the "crucial" points that flip the sign in every abs.

Here, we have 2 abs and so 2 point to find by equalling them to 0:
> 2*x+3 = 0 <=> x = -3/2
> x+6 = 0 <=> x = -6

After that, the domain definied from those points.
o x =< -6
o -6 < x < -3/2
o x >= -3/2

I found Hobbit's method of squaring both sides and finding the solution faster and easier. Frankly Fig's method looks a bit daunting. I am still not clear about the concept of domains for absolute values as suggested by Fig.

The way I approached the problem was the traditional way of using all 4 possibilities for setting up absolute values in an inequality.

eg. what I did was I used the following 4 equations.
(1) 2x + 3 > x + 6 yields x > 3
(2) -2x - 3 > x + 6 yields x < -3
(3) 2x + 3 > -x - 6 yields x > -3
(4) -2x - 3 > -x - 6 yields x < 3

Using the more restrictive inequality we arrive at x > 3 or x < -3. _________________

I found Hobbit's method of squaring both sides and finding the solution faster and easier. Frankly Fig's method looks a bit daunting. I am still not clear about the concept of domains for absolute values as suggested by Fig.

The way I approached the problem was the traditional way of using all 4 possibilities for setting up absolute values in an inequality.

eg. what I did was I used the following 4 equations. (1) 2x + 3 > x + 6 yields x > 3 (2) -2x - 3 > x + 6 yields x < -3 (3) 2x + 3 > -x - 6 yields x > -3 (4) -2x - 3 > -x - 6 yields x < 3

Using the more restrictive inequality we arrive at x > 3 or x < -3.

The way that hobbit uses is good for this question ... Not for all ... And, I do agree that there are different ways to solve the same problem

Personnally, I prefer the graphical approach .... Drawing fastly an XY plan with the courbs and the important points determined by few calculation if required

To come back to your inequations : the (3) and (4) does not represent the original ineqation. There is no reason for the right side to be adapted to -x.

i never tried to claim my method is generic....
in fact it is good only if you know that both sides are positive. this is a special case.

there is also another way that works:
instead of solving something > something else
solve first: something = something else
and then sample (pick numbers) in each region.

for example:
to solve |2x+3|>|x+6|
we start by solving
|2x+3|=|x+6|
there are two cases:
2x+3=x+6 => x=3
or
2x+3= -(x+6) => x=-3

so we have three regions: x<-3 , -3<x<3 and x>3
pick number for each region:
try x=-4 => we see that |2x+3|=|-5|=5 > |x+6| = |-2| = 2
try x=0 => we see that |2x+3| = 3 < |x+6|=6
try x=4 => we see that |2x+3| = 11 > |x+6|=10

so there are two regions that works and this is the solution:
x<-3 or x>3

the reason why checking one point of the region is enough to infer that the whole region share the property is beyond the scope of the discussion here (i can tell you if you really want)...

but this is a good method for solving inequalities in almost all cases.

i never tried to claim my method is generic.... in fact it is good only if you know that both sides are positive. this is a special case.

there is also another way that works: instead of solving something > something else solve first: something = something else and then sample (pick numbers) in each region.

for example: to solve |2x+3|>|x+6| we start by solving |2x+3|=|x+6| there are two cases: 2x+3=x+6 => x=3 or 2x+3= -(x+6) => x=-3

so we have three regions: x<-3 , -3<x<3 and x>3 pick number for each region: try x=-4 => we see that |2x+3|=|-5|=5 > |x+6| = |-2| = 2 try x=0 => we see that |2x+3| = 3 < |x+6|=6 try x=4 => we see that |2x+3| = 11 > |x+6|=10

so there are two regions that works and this is the solution: x<-3 or x>3

the reason why checking one point of the region is enough to infer that the whole region share the property is beyond the scope of the discussion here (i can tell you if you really want)...

but this is a good method for solving inequalities in almost all cases.

I must disagree here... One more time, it works on specific question. But, what about the others?

Could u define the scope of this method ?... In these cases, people will use this short cut

the reason why checking one point of the region is enough to infer that the whole region share the property is beyond the scope of the discussion here (i can tell you if you really want)...

but this is a good method for solving inequalities in almost all cases.

I must disagree here... One more time, it works on specific question. But, what about the others?

Could u define the scope of this method ?... In these cases, people will use this short cut

actually this method works for virtually any inequality !!!!!!
(the real condition for it to work is that both sides will be continuous functions...for those who know the concept.... for practical uses - it is every inequality that is defined for all numbers)

i'll explain more....

the methods work like this:
to solve an inequality: expression1>expression2, where both expressions are defined for all x.
a) solve the equation: expression1=expression2
b) put the solutions on the number line. this divide it into segments.
c) choose one number for each segment created. for each such value - check the original inequality. if it holds - then the whole segment solves the inequality.
the solution is the union of all segments whose representative "passed" the test in stage c.

the reason this method works is this -
suppose i didn't work. this means that there exists two numbers a and b in the same segment for one exp1>exp2 and for the other exp1<exp2.
but (and this is the complicated part of the method). if it was the case, there was a certain number c between a and b for which exp1=exp2. this is the "continuity assumption" - you can't go from negative to positive without crossing through 0.
but there exists such c between a and b - then it means that a and b are NOT in the same segment. which contradicts our assumption.
so there can't be c like that, and it can't be that exp1<exp2 for a and exp1>exp2 for b for every a,b in the same segment.

so it is sufficient to check one number for each segment to check whether the original inequality holds for the segment.

this method can be extended to work for expressions that have some points where they are undefined.....
and to calm all people down.... most if not all expressions that you'll get into in life are continuous. so the method is quite robust.

Following your theory, when x > +1/2, the behavior is all time similar.

So, x = 3/2 >>> 3/2 + 2 = 7/2 (left side) and 9/4 right side.... Thus, the inequation is verified for all x > 1/2 ?

No... If we take x = 4, we have 6 > 16 ?.

And also, both sides have continuity in their fonctions.

ok... lets try solving this in "my method"...

the inequation is |x+2|>X^2

so first we solve:
|x+2|=x^2
for x>-2 we get: x+2=x^2 => x=2 or x=-1
for x<-2: -x-2=x^2 which has no solution.

so our solutions to the equation divide the number line into 3 segments:
x<-1
-1<x<2
x>2

checking the first (using x=-2) we see that the inequation doesn't hold
checking the middle segment (using x=0) we see that the inequation holds
checking the last segment (using x=3) the inequation doesn't hold.

so the solution is the middle segment.
-1<x<2

i'm confident that any solving method you use will lead you to this solution.

Following your theory, when x > +1/2, the behavior is all time similar.

So, x = 3/2 >>> 3/2 + 2 = 7/2 (left side) and 9/4 right side.... Thus, the inequation is verified for all x > 1/2 ?

No... If we take x = 4, we have 6 > 16 ?.

And also, both sides have continuity in their fonctions.

ok... lets try solving this in "my method"...

the inequation is |x+2|>X^2

so first we solve: |x+2|=x^2 for x>-2 we get: x+2=x^2 => x=2 or x=-1 for x<-2: -x-2=x^2 which has no solution.

so our solutions to the equation divide the number line into 3 segments: x<-1 -1<x<2 x>2

checking the first (using x=-2) we see that the inequation doesn't hold checking the middle segment (using x=0) we see that the inequation holds checking the last segment (using x=3) the inequation doesn't hold.

so the solution is the middle segment. -1<x<2

i'm confident that any solving method you use will lead you to this solution.

Sorry hobbit ... I had deleted my post ....

An example should be this one and I follow your way :

|x^2 - 4| > x + 2.

So, x^2 - x - 6 = 0.... roots = -2 and 3.

That implies, we study on x < -2, -2 < x < 3 and x > 3.

So, in the case of -2 < x < 3, picking 1 number is sufficient. We could take 2.

|2^2 - 4| = 0 < 2 + 2 = 4.

So, the inequality is never verified on -2 < x < 3 ?.... The answer is no. Why?

note that you checked x=2 and tried to give a counter example with x=-1. given that x=1 is also a solution for the equation, 2 and -1 are not in the same segment - so no contradiction.

"my method" still works.... (and i'm quite sure it will be very difficult to find a counter example).

note that you checked x=2 and tried to give a counter example with x=-1. given that x=1 is also a solution for the equation, 2 and -1 are not in the same segment - so no contradiction.

"my method" still works.... (and i'm quite sure it will be very difficult to find a counter example).

Ahhh... I c. U preserve the absolute to solve... A part, I must say, I didnt see.

Re: inequality + absolute [#permalink]
31 Dec 2006, 00:57

old_dream_1976 wrote:

|2x+3|>|x+6|

please solve

If you feel comfortable plotting lines on the xy plane, you could solve this inequality just by inspecting the intersections of both absolute value functions. The result is

Am unable to understand how the solutions have been combined to get x<-3 or x>3.. The solution does not take into account the limits set by -6 in x<-6 or -6<x<-3.. Please Help

Fig wrote:

|2x+3|>|x+6|

In order to find the solution by simplifying the inequation (no absolute), we have to work on the following domains: o x =< -6 o -6 < x < -3/2 o x >= -3/2

o If x =< -6, the inequation is simplified to:

-(2*x+3) > -(x+6) <=> x < 3

Thus, all values of x such that x =< -6 are solutions.

o If -6 < x < -3/2, the inequation is simplified to:

-(2*x+3) > (x+6) <=> 3*x < -9 <=> x < -3

Thus, all values of x such that -6 < x < -3 are solutions.

o If x >= -3/2, the inequation is simplified to:

(2*x+3) > (x+6) <=> x > 3

Thus, all values of x such that x > 3 are solutions.

Am unable to understand how the solutions have been combined to get x<-3 or x>3.. The solution does not take into account the limits set by -6 in x<-6 or -6<x<-3.. Please Help

Approach #1: Fig's approach.

|2x+3|>|x+6|

We have two check points: -6 and -\frac{3}{2} (check point the value fox for which an expression in modulus equals to zero). Thus 3 ranges to check:

1. x\leq{-6} --> in this range 2x+3<0 and x+6<0 thus absolute values expand as: -(2x+3)>-(x+6) --> x<3. Now, since we consider the range x\leq{-6} then the solution for this range will be x<-6: --------(-6)------------(-3/2)--------

2. -6<x<-\frac{3}{2} --> in this range 2x+3<0 and x+6>0 thus absolute values expand as: -(2x+3)>(x+6) --> x<-3. Since we consider the range -6<x<-\frac{3}{2} then the solution for this range will be -6<x<-3: --------(-6)----(-3)----(-3/2)--------

3. -\frac{3}{2}\leq{x} --> in this range 2x+3>0 and x+6>0 thus absolute values expand as: (2x+3)>(x+6) --> x>3. Since we consider the range [-\frac{3}{2}\leq{x} then the solution for this range will be x>3: --------(-6)----(-3)----(-3/2)--------3--------

Combined solution is:

--------(-6)----(-3)----(-3/2)--------3-------- x<-3 or x>3.

Approach #2: Easier one.

|2x+3|>|x+6|

Since both sides of the inequality are nonnegative then we can safely square it: (2x+3)^2>(x+6)^2 --> 4x^2+12x+9>x^2+12x+36 --> 3x^2>27 --> x^2>9 --> x<-3 or x>3.

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