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3 weeks to go [#permalink] New post 18 May 2003, 07:00
Hi Guys,

I am a new memeber here. Thanks to BB and others for making the group successful.

I am taking the GMAT on the 11th of June. Quite worried about my practice test scores so far.

Took the OG first test a week ago and scored 640. Took the kaplan diagnostic test three weeks ago and scored 560. Took Kaplan 1st cat (in the CD) today and managed only a pathetic 520. I am worried what nas gone wrong. I should be scoring higher than the diagnostic test since I have put in more than three weeks of hard preparation.

Did anyone face a situation like mine? Any ideas, suggestions, insights?

Thanks,
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don't get discouraged [#permalink] New post 18 May 2003, 17:17
Ignore the Kaplan test scores...their tests are considerably harder than the real GMAT and most people say to add 50-100 points to get an idea of how you'd score.

Take some different tests to get a better idea - Princeton Review's tests are a lot closer, and of course the Powerprep tests are the real thing. The KAplan ones are fine for practice if they don't intimidate you, but try some other ones too.
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Re: 3 weeks to go [#permalink] New post 18 May 2003, 21:24
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Hi Guys,

I am a new memeber here. Thanks to BB and others for making the group successful.

I am taking the GMAT on the 11th of June. Quite worried about my practice test scores so far.

Took the OG first test a week ago and scored 640. Took the kaplan diagnostic test three weeks ago and scored 560. Took Kaplan 1st cat (in the CD) today and managed only a pathetic 520. I am worried what nas gone wrong. I should be scoring higher than the diagnostic test since I have put in more than three weeks of hard preparation.

Did anyone face a situation like mine? Any ideas, suggestions, insights?

Thanks,
HC



HC,

here are my scores with dates; I think this will help

First Diagnostic KAPLAN test: 530 Sept 20, 2001

Kaplan test 1 540 Oct 5, 2001

Kaplan test 2 420 (50, 8) Nov 20, 2001 [math only]

Kaplan test 3 610 (40, 33) Jan 25, 2002

Kaplan test 4 620 (50, 31) Feb 5, 2002



Princeton test 1 420 Dec 20, 2001 [math only]

Princeton test 2 620 Jan 10, 2002

Princeton test 3 610 Jan 12, 2002

Princeton test 4 620 Jan 16, 2002



PowerPrep test 1 710 (48, 39) (Jan 20, 2002) [ I saved powerprep for the very end]

PowerPrep test 2 730 (50, 39) (Feb 11, 2002) [I took this one 24 hours before the real test]



Official GMAT 750 (49, 42) (Feb 12, 2002)
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 [#permalink] New post 19 May 2003, 19:16
Thanks BB and Graham. Your words comfort me.

By the way this is a great site. I wish I had known this site earlier.
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 [#permalink] New post 19 May 2003, 21:01
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Thanks BB and Graham. Your words comfort me.

By the way this is a great site. I wish I had known this site earlier.



Well, if you have any ideas how to possibly promote it out there, I am all listening.

Thank you for the thank you
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 [#permalink] New post 20 May 2003, 18:34
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Thanks BB and Graham. Your words comfort me.

By the way this is a great site. I wish I had known this site earlier.



Well, if you have any ideas how to possibly promote it out there, I am all listening.

Thank you for the thank you


Yes why not.

I am a avid surfer. Inspite of this (been looking for something like this for a few months) I could find the link only in some obscure posting in BW forums. I think one thing we can do is post a short message about this site in all the gmat or bschool discussions on the web. I have listed some of the sites where the discussions are hosted. Maybe you guys already know the sites.

http://www.mbastrategies.com
http://www.accepted.com

Another idea is to give some incentive to members who introduce new members ex. limited access to privileged material etc. Maybe an option can be provided like "tell a friend"

I hope this helps.
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Advice needed on books [#permalink] New post 21 May 2003, 00:41
Hi BB,

Would like to seek your advice.

I am a non native english speaker and come from a non-math background (college).

I am facing some problems with my preparation so far. All the test prep books seem to assume some basic level of knowledge in algebra, arithmetic etc. In my case since I have not touched these for a long long time. Though I am able to deal with algebra and arithmetic problems so far, I feel a need to go back to basics. I also noticed that in GMAT one will be severely punished if ones basics are not clear.

Any suggestions which books will address these topics?

I remember reading somewhere in the discussion about schuams or something like that. Is this the title of the book?
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 [#permalink] New post 21 May 2003, 03:43
Hi HC,

If you want I can share my experience.

We are almost in the same boat. I had barely had any math (except everyday stuff) for about 10 years before I decided to start GMAT preparation. I've got a degree in languages, that's why all that time I was far than away from any thoughts about math. So to the point. The start was really terrible, I didn't even remember how to solve basic equations (do not tell anybody) :D

First of all I recomend you to start with private tutor from high school just to remember the basics. I don't know where do you live and how much time do you have, but in my case it didn't cost a lot and I started one year before the test date.(Had planty of time though) Begin here but don't get to bogged in in such kind of activity. Consider buying Kaplan Math workbook. I got the best results only after started to work with it. Study and use advice that BB as well as other guys gives away in math section and in discussions.

Wish you all the best,

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Re: Advice needed on books [#permalink] New post 21 May 2003, 10:29
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Hi BB,

Would like to seek your advice.

I am a non native english speaker and come from a non-math background (college).

I am facing some problems with my preparation so far. All the test prep books seem to assume some basic level of knowledge in algebra, arithmetic etc. In my case since I have not touched these for a long long time. Though I am able to deal with algebra and arithmetic problems so far, I feel a need to go back to basics. I also noticed that in GMAT one will be severely punished if ones basics are not clear.

Any suggestions which books will address these topics?

I remember reading somewhere in the discussion about schuams or something like that. Is this the title of the book?



I strongly agree with Sergei;

GMAT is the high school level. Schaum's is a series of books available from Amazon (I am still trying to put a review of one of those on my site, but I still did not buy one). Anyway, Schaum has books on things like Econ, Astronomy, Biology, and Math and Probability; they have 12 or 15 on Probability; really strange, but that's for advanced prep. Basics come from high school textbooks and Kaplan's Math Workbook.

One of the most difficult sections for an average test taker is Arithmetic - because it is full of little tricks and basics that many think they know. 70% of DS is based on Arithmetic; thus basics are more important than probability...

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Thanks Sergei and BB [#permalink] New post 21 May 2003, 17:27
Thanks guys. I am in pretty much the same shape as you were in Sergei. It is quite expensive here in Singapore to arrange for private classes. I am thinking of buying a basics book and doing it on my own. I have to say though that I am preparing since two months and picked up quite well but once in a while get stuck in the basics.

Hi BB is it this book that you have used for grammer?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/08220 ... ZZZZZZ.gif
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 [#permalink] New post 21 May 2003, 19:05
Cliffs's structure is really excellent grammar book.
I brought this book from amazon bookstore when I heard BB and the others recommend consistently this book for preparing the SC of GMAT as well as the structure of TOEFL(if you need it).
My book version, TOEFL CBT, focus on more sentence structure but general strategy for solving question on other preptest book.
For an non-native English, to recognize structure on SC is more important than to be familiar with simple grammar concept.
In my preparing experience, I often can not judge which sentence is illogical because it might have misplace in phrase or the others.
To do well on SC seems to fortify English proficiency and depth; thus, I think to improve my grammar only is the beginning of learning stage.
How do you think about?

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Re: Thanks Sergei and BB [#permalink] New post 22 May 2003, 00:15
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Thanks guys. I am in pretty much the same shape as you were in Sergei. It is quite expensive here in Singapore to arrange for private classes. I am thinking of buying a basics book and doing it on my own. I have to say though that I am preparing since two months and picked up quite well but once in a while get stuck in the basics.

Hi BB is it this book that you have used for grammer?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/08220 ... ZZZZZZ.gif



I believe so...

Is this version for sale on Amazon? it is 1994 edition; the next one SUCKS! I recommended it before, but I deleted after I got a copy - it is hedious; they took most of the grammar away and put stupid tricks - yeah, right.... :pee
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Re: Thanks Sergei and BB [#permalink] New post 22 May 2003, 00:46
Yes it is for sale in Amazon but limited availability. Not sure when they can ship.

Has anyone used books for speed math (working out difficult nos. fast?). Any recommendations?
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Re: Thanks Sergei and BB [#permalink] New post 22 May 2003, 22:35
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Yes it is for sale in Amazon but limited availability. Not sure when they can ship.

Has anyone used books for speed math (working out difficult nos. fast?). Any recommendations?



Kaplan... I have a list of MUST problems for the Kaplan's Math Workbook. Here it is: These are for 2nd edition that I have used - basically these are the problems I thought were the best and that I had difficulties with - analyzing my errors! :zoom

Number properties test: 8, 13, 14, 17, 19

Averages test: 4, 6

Ratios: 22

Percents: 4, 7, 8, 22

Powers and Roots: 5, 12

Algebra test 2: 2, 6

Basic Word Problem Exercise (p. 131): 6, 8, 9

Word Problems Test 1: 4, 19, 24

Percents, Ratios, and Rates: 34

General WP Test: 31, 35, 40

Geometry

Triangles Exercise: 7, 11

Triangles Test: 2, 15, 18

Quadraliterals and other polygons: 14, 16, 17

Circles: 2, 5, 10

Multiple Figures: 2, 6, 9, 14

Solids: 5

DS1: 12, 14, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 22, 24

DS2: 3, 7, 9, 10, 15, 21, 23, 24
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Re: 3 weeks to go [#permalink] New post 31 May 2003, 03:33
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Hi Guys,

I am a new memeber here. Thanks to BB and others for making the group successful.

I am taking the GMAT on the 11th of June. Quite worried about my practice test scores so far.

Took the OG first test a week ago and scored 640. Took the kaplan diagnostic test three weeks ago and scored 560. Took Kaplan 1st cat (in the CD) today and managed only a pathetic 520. I am worried what nas gone wrong. I should be scoring higher than the diagnostic test since I have put in more than three weeks of hard preparation.

Did anyone face a situation like mine? Any ideas, suggestions, insights?

Thanks,
HC



HC,

here are my scores with dates; I think this will help

First Diagnostic KAPLAN test: 530 Sept 20, 2001

Kaplan test 1 540 Oct 5, 2001

Kaplan test 2 420 (50, 8) Nov 20, 2001 [math only]

Kaplan test 3 610 (40, 33) Jan 25, 2002

Kaplan test 4 620 (50, 31) Feb 5, 2002



Princeton test 1 420 Dec 20, 2001 [math only]

Princeton test 2 620 Jan 10, 2002

Princeton test 3 610 Jan 12, 2002

Princeton test 4 620 Jan 16, 2002



PowerPrep test 1 710 (48, 39) (Jan 20, 2002) [ I saved powerprep for the very end]

PowerPrep test 2 730 (50, 39) (Feb 11, 2002) [I took this one 24 hours before the real test]



Official GMAT 750 (49, 42) (Feb 12, 2002)



bb,

the princeton test that you have mentioned, is it "Crack the GMAT"?
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Re: 3 weeks to go [#permalink] New post 31 May 2003, 09:17
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HC wrote:
Hi Guys,

I am a new memeber here. Thanks to BB and others for making the group successful.

I am taking the GMAT on the 11th of June. Quite worried about my practice test scores so far.

Took the OG first test a week ago and scored 640. Took the kaplan diagnostic test three weeks ago and scored 560. Took Kaplan 1st cat (in the CD) today and managed only a pathetic 520. I am worried what nas gone wrong. I should be scoring higher than the diagnostic test since I have put in more than three weeks of hard preparation.

Did anyone face a situation like mine? Any ideas, suggestions, insights?

Thanks,
HC



HC,

here are my scores with dates; I think this will help

First Diagnostic KAPLAN test: 530 Sept 20, 2001

Kaplan test 1 540 Oct 5, 2001

Kaplan test 2 420 (50, 8) Nov 20, 2001 [math only]

Kaplan test 3 610 (40, 33) Jan 25, 2002

Kaplan test 4 620 (50, 31) Feb 5, 2002



Princeton test 1 420 Dec 20, 2001 [math only]

Princeton test 2 620 Jan 10, 2002

Princeton test 3 610 Jan 12, 2002

Princeton test 4 620 Jan 16, 2002



PowerPrep test 1 710 (48, 39) (Jan 20, 2002) [ I saved powerprep for the very end]

PowerPrep test 2 730 (50, 39) (Feb 11, 2002) [I took this one 24 hours before the real test]



Official GMAT 750 (49, 42) (Feb 12, 2002)



bb,

the princeton test that you have mentioned, is it "Crack the GMAT"?



The PR scores are from Online tester.

I assume the tests would be very similar to those on the CD - I had 2001 edition and it did not have a CD, but had online access - I think it was teh age of the E-commerce and stuff like that. I think that was the only year they had that.
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MATH DISCUSSION [#permalink] New post 04 Jun 2003, 09:47
Can anyone direct me to math forum
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Re: MATH DISCUSSION [#permalink] New post 05 Jun 2003, 14:18
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