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5. The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors [#permalink] New post 08 Apr 2004, 03:21
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5. The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the
emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site
<<which a commoner or foreigner could not enter
without any permission,>>on pain of death.

(A) which a commoner or foreigner could not enter
without any permission,
(B) which a commoner or foreigner could enter
without any permission only
(C) which no commoner or foreigner could enter
without permission.
(D) which, without permission, neither commoner
or foreigner could only enter,
(E) which, to enter without permission, neither
commoner or foreigner could do.

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 [#permalink] New post 08 Apr 2004, 11:00
tough one.. not sure what 'on pain of death' means..
i will go by my gut instincts.. will choose B. I guess it changes the original meaning. I wont be surprised if my answer is wrong.
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Apr 2004, 13:39
There was a discussion about this question a while back. I can't remember what the answer was but I believe the answer to be B. "pain of death" is key to choosing the right answer.
C is wrong because it says "no commoner could enter... on pain of death" does not create the right contrast. What we want to convey is that "anyone could enter but only on pain of death". B conveys that
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 [#permalink] New post 10 Apr 2004, 18:31
OA is C.
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2004, 08:00
C is definitely wrong. This topic is already discussed. The sentence is similar to the following

The astronauts in the Challenger ship roared high only to die, a few minutes later
Putting a negaitive word in between totally destroys the meaning of the sentence. B is the only choice that stands out.

I guess I am a little late to handle the storm of SCs created by batliwala.
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2004, 08:12
PAUL: I completely disagree with you. The answer should be C..B is very awkward....I picked C the first time and If I remember correctly..In have seen this in KAPLAN 800 book....
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2004, 08:20
If you replace C in the stem it looks as follows

The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the
emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site
which no commoner or foreigner could enter
without permission
, on pain of death.

What does this sentence say?

It says nobody could enter without permission, on pain of death.

I really dont know what it means. The closest explanation is remove the double negative and you will get the following

someone could enter with permission, on pain of death
- meaning the person who entered with permission will die.

The sentence is trying to say "if anyone enters without permission then that person will do so only on pain of death( or die)"

Negative word here is akward to say the least.

Paul can you search this topic and provide u r explanation???
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2004, 08:22
I'll bring another simple example to refute C.

B)Anyone could enter the arena only upon paying with his life
C)Nobody could enter the arena upon paying with his life

Let's analyze B. B says that anybody, say Joe Blogg, could enter but he would have to pay the price with his life

C says that nobody could enter the arena by being executed?! In other words, this means that everybody could enter without any problem since you don't have to die for it. Clearly, if you enter the Forbidden City of Beijing, you would have had to pay a costly price, that of your life, and ONLY B conveys that. How is B awkard then?
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2004, 08:42
ANAND And PAUL:

this is what the Sentence means....

NOBODY who is a foreigner can enter without permission, and if he does he will die...On pain of death means that anybody who violates the rule faces death....

OR in other words, only people who are native could enter without permission and since they are not violating the rule, they do not face death penalty.....

I am very confident on this as I have seen such sentences before..NOT during this GMAT preparation but during my daily readings....
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2004, 08:56
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NOBODY who is a foreigner can enter without permission, and if he does he will die...On pain of death means that anybody who violates the rule faces death....


The bolded part sure makes your explanation clear. However, it is NOT the way the original sentence is constructed. Your sentence, reconstructed as the stem says would be like this:

NOBODY who is a foreigner can enter without permission, on pain of death

I know what pain of death is but the sentence itself, build as such, needs the affirmative form. In other words, "anybody" is needed to convey that pain of death is applied to anyone who enters without permission. The original sentence could be reworded as follows: The pain of death is applied to nobody who enters without permission. --> Anybody can just walk in the forbidden city. Anyways, I don't think I can sway from B on this one. I'll look up the explanation and page number where it is in the Kaplan GMAT800 book since I have it
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2004, 09:01
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In other words, "anybody" is needed to convey that pain of death is applied to anyone who enters without permission. The original sentence could be reworded as follows: The pain of death is applied to nobody who enters without permission. --> Anybody can just walk in the forbidden city. Anyways, I don't think I can sway from B on this one. I'll look up the explanation and page number where it is in the Kaplan GMAT800 book since I have it


I think you got it wrong again. IT is NOT "ANYBODY" who eneters without permisssion has to face death ...IT is ONLY the foreigners that enter without permission face death penalty...Why would ANYBODY come into the picture here..It is ONLY talking about foreigners and restrictions on them.....This is NOT for EveryBody....
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2004, 09:02
Well there are conflicting answers to this questions.

There is another thread in GMATclub that discusses this topic
http://www.gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=4888

http://www.testmagic.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5695
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2004, 09:07
The OA for this is C..which I picked correctly.....This is from 885SC that Big B posted long ago...
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2004, 20:48
I should stop going out with my :drinking. If I am drunk I will choose B else choose C.

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 [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2004, 21:05
C says, one enters *with* permission on pain of *death*--absurd.

B it is
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