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# 640,640,710, 4th retake?

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Senior Manager
Joined: 14 May 2011
Posts: 277
Location: Costa Rica
GMAT 1: 640 Q V0
GMAT 2: 710 Q42 V45
GMAT 3: 740 Q48 V42
GMAT 4: Q V0
GMAT 5: Q V0
GPA: 3.3
WE: Research (Consulting)
Followers: 10

Kudos [?]: 89 [0], given: 134

640,640,710, 4th retake? [#permalink]  22 Dec 2011, 21:36
So the subject might scream "NO you idiot", but here's where my dilemma lies -

GMAT History: 640, 640, 710
My M scores have been consistently low in the real GMAT, in the 41-42 range, in fact my last 710 score was M42 (58%), V45 (99%). Now my problem is that most good US/foreign B-schools will ding me with a 58 percentile in math. However, I was scoring consistently well in the last 5 practice tests I took prior to the GMAT (GMAC - M 48 two days before, and Manhattan M47-49).

A family member contacted a faculty member of Duke Fuqua and India's ISB, and they both said the math score would definitely be a strong basis for booting me off. A student at Wharton said the same when I blogged on their forum. I'm targeting schools like Duke, Berkeley, Ross MI, Columbia, ISB (India), INSEAD (France), and maybe one Singapore MBA if the US economy is still tanking in 2 years.

I'm from India, and am applying for fall 2013, so I have some time. I will have 5.5 years of work exp by then and will be 28 (by then).

Work Experience: 2 years in advertising as account servicing, and will have almost 3.5 years with Mckinsey & Co. as a Research Analyst in US Healthcare (have received a Distinctive Performance rating last week for this year as well). They are relocating me to Costa Rica next month to unofficially "mentor" the junior analyst team there, and if I perform well, they might give me an official Team Leader position by 2012 year-end, so will probably have the leadership experience by the time I apply.

My question: I have good work experience, decent extra curriculars, but my current GMAT history and Math score are bringing me down. Confidence is definitely an issue with Math, where I tend to freeze up when I see the first question. Practice test scores are good, so I know if I can build up my concepts I can crack this, but it will take a huge amount of effort before June, that too while I'm in a new country trying to pick up Spanish. Do I absolutely need to rewrite before June (before the new section comes into play)? I can not let this hinder my getting into the schools I've chosen above. I'm torn, I got the last 710 score in August, so have forgotten a lot and will have to factor in a drop in Verbal (99% took a lot out of me to achieve).

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2.5 yrs (Currently employed) - Mckinsey & Co. (US Healthcare Analyst)
2 yrs - Advertising industry (client servicing)

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Re: 640,640,710, 4th retake? [#permalink]  27 Dec 2011, 14:41
Hi,
i am actually facing the same dilemma, to give the gmat a 4th time or not. Some people say you can give it for 5 times and some say you shouldnt give it more than 3 times so its a bit confusing. I have a 700 (q46,v40). I think your quant score is low and that would be a red flag at most top 15 schools. Now either you can do a course in calculus and statistics from one of the online extension programs (UCLA, Berkeley) to reassure ad com about your quant preparedness or you might have to sit gmat again. But you'll be better off scheduling a free consultation to one of the consultants and ask them about the best approach. And yes if you do give the gmat better to give it before 5th June 2012.
Senior Manager
Joined: 14 May 2011
Posts: 277
Location: Costa Rica
GMAT 1: 640 Q V0
GMAT 2: 710 Q42 V45
GMAT 3: 740 Q48 V42
GMAT 4: Q V0
GMAT 5: Q V0
GPA: 3.3
WE: Research (Consulting)
Followers: 10

Kudos [?]: 89 [0], given: 134

Re: 640,640,710, 4th retake? [#permalink]  28 Dec 2011, 00:56
Hi

Thanks so much for that, I never thought of the calculus/math option, distance ed, from one of the uni's I'm applying to. Let me look into this as well. Yes, I need to get a few more opinions, one consultant is saying go ahead and apply for 2nd round this year itself to 1 or 2 schools.

A.
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Work experience (as of June 2012)
2.5 yrs (Currently employed) - Mckinsey & Co. (US Healthcare Analyst)
2 yrs - Advertising industry (client servicing)

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Re: 640,640,710, 4th retake? [#permalink]  30 Dec 2011, 18:55
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Aximili85 wrote:
So the subject might scream "NO you idiot", but here's where my dilemma lies -

GMAT History: 640, 640, 710
My M scores have been consistently low in the real GMAT, in the 41-42 range, in fact my last 710 score was M42 (58%), V45 (99%). Now my problem is that most good US/foreign B-schools will ding me with a 58 percentile in math. However, I was scoring consistently well in the last 5 practice tests I took prior to the GMAT (GMAC - M 48 two days before, and Manhattan M47-49).

A family member contacted a faculty member of Duke Fuqua and India's ISB, and they both said the math score would definitely be a strong basis for booting me off. A student at Wharton said the same when I blogged on their forum. I'm targeting schools like Duke, Berkeley, Ross MI, Columbia, ISB (India), INSEAD (France), and maybe one Singapore MBA if the US economy is still tanking in 2 years.

I'm from India, and am applying for fall 2013, so I have some time. I will have 5.5 years of work exp by then and will be 28 (by then).

Work Experience: 2 years in advertising as account servicing, and will have almost 3.5 years with Mckinsey & Co. as a Research Analyst in US Healthcare (have received a Distinctive Performance rating last week for this year as well). They are relocating me to Costa Rica next month to unofficially "mentor" the junior analyst team there, and if I perform well, they might give me an official Team Leader position by 2012 year-end, so will probably have the leadership experience by the time I apply.

My question: I have good work experience, decent extra curriculars, but my current GMAT history and Math score are bringing me down. Confidence is definitely an issue with Math, where I tend to freeze up when I see the first question. Practice test scores are good, so I know if I can build up my concepts I can crack this, but it will take a huge amount of effort before June, that too while I'm in a new country trying to pick up Spanish. Do I absolutely need to rewrite before June (before the new section comes into play)? I can not let this hinder my getting into the schools I've chosen above. I'm torn, I got the last 710 score in August, so have forgotten a lot and will have to factor in a drop in Verbal (99% took a lot out of me to achieve).

In my opinion, if your current score is unacceptable to your target schools, it may not be a bad idea to re-take. (Until and unless you have an extraordinary story to make up for the low quant score. Good work ex is found in abundance among MBA hopefuls.) If you do plan to re-take, there MUST be a substantial improvement. 750 and above will be good. In fact, if your Quant is above average, your very high verbal score will give you an advantage over others who have very high Quant and above average Verbal.

As for: Do I absolutely need to rewrite before June?
Of course not! There will be people taking GMAT after the June deadline too! Since you work as a research analyst, my guess that is that you are good at handling data. Check out the IR section. You might find that you ace it without any effort. You should plan to take GMAT before June only if you are very uncomfortable with IR since new material will require more effort. At the end of the day, take the test when you feel most prepared. That said, set some timeline so that your prep doesn't linger on for months without any outcome.
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Get started with Veritas Prep GMAT On Demand for $199 Veritas Prep Reviews Senior Manager Joined: 14 May 2011 Posts: 277 Location: Costa Rica Concentration: Healthcare, International Business GMAT 1: 640 Q V0 GMAT 2: 710 Q42 V45 GMAT 3: 740 Q48 V42 GMAT 4: Q V0 GMAT 5: Q V0 GPA: 3.3 WE: Research (Consulting) Followers: 10 Kudos [?]: 89 [0], given: 134 Re: 640,640,710, 4th retake? [#permalink] 31 Dec 2011, 02:01 VeritasPrepKarishma wrote: Aximili85 wrote: In my opinion, if your current score is unacceptable to your target schools, it may not be a bad idea to re-take. (Until and unless you have an .... said, set some timeline so that your prep doesn't linger on for months without any outcome. Karisma Thanks a ton for your response. I was following your math posts while preparing before August, definitely appreciate your advice and help! Dam, I really don't know what to do. Another consultant said forget it and concentrate on other aspects of your resume.. Need to make up my mind soon =( A. _________________ How to improve your RC score, pls Kudo if helpful! http://gmatclub.com/forum/how-to-improve-my-rc-accuracy-117195.html Work experience (as of June 2012) 2.5 yrs (Currently employed) - Mckinsey & Co. (US Healthcare Analyst) 2 yrs - Advertising industry (client servicing) Veritas Prep GMAT Instructor Joined: 16 Oct 2010 Posts: 5977 Location: Pune, India Followers: 1536 Kudos [?]: 8496 [0], given: 194 Re: 640,640,710, 4th retake? [#permalink] 01 Jan 2012, 02:08 Expert's post Aximili85 wrote: VeritasPrepKarishma wrote: Aximili85 wrote: In my opinion, if your current score is unacceptable to your target schools, it may not be a bad idea to re-take. (Until and unless you have an .... said, set some timeline so that your prep doesn't linger on for months without any outcome. Karisma Thanks a ton for your response. I was following your math posts while preparing before August, definitely appreciate your advice and help! Dam, I really don't know what to do. Another consultant said forget it and concentrate on other aspects of your resume.. Need to make up my mind soon =( A. Yes, most people will tell you to forget about it (since 710 is a decent score) and focus on other aspects. But our decisions have to be tailored to our requirements. I am not saying that you should re-take it since there is a risk involved that you may not improve or worse, may see a dip in your score... You need to decide based on your confidence and ability to invest time into studying. Most schools take into account either your highest or the latest score. Yes, it matters if you take it 4 times but if your last attempt yields a fabulous result, you shouldn't worry. Since you have time on your hands before you apply, you can consider re-taking. Else, there is a chance that your dream school might put you in the waiting list (that is if the rest of your application is good) and at that time you may feel compelled to re-take to improve your Quant score. Mind you, this is only my opinion. You need to weigh the benefits against the risks on your own. _________________ Karishma Veritas Prep | GMAT Instructor My Blog Get started with Veritas Prep GMAT On Demand for$199

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Re: 640,640,710, 4th retake?   [#permalink] 01 Jan 2012, 02:08
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