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660 to a... 680 :-( [#permalink] New post 10 Dec 2011, 19:06
680 45q 38v

I will add to this debrief tomorrow, a few pieces of advice for now,
- if you get a bad migraine a day before debate rescheduling the exam... even if it means you'll be out some money...
- Do not schedule the exam for noon... go for an 8am or 9am exam, noon is just an awkward time.
- Taking a GMAT exam with a migraine is almost impossible...


Debating re-taking it... I've been scoring 720-770 on practice exams for over a month, I know if I were in full health I would have cracked 700... but is taking the test 3 times looked down on?

I went to a sub-par undergrad with a 3.3 gpa, decent work experience with a fortune 500 and a fortune 100, but no MBA farm companies.

Applying for fall 2013 targets are Stern, Kellogg, Fuqua, Darden, going for Marketing, white male US. I've taken booth and Columbia off the list, doubt theres a point to apply with a 680 and a weak undergrad to those.

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Re: 660 to a... 680 :-( [#permalink] New post 11 Dec 2011, 19:12
Sorry to hear,

but I don't think the business schools care so much about what company you work for and those you previously worked at as much as what things you picked up in those jobs.

As for test taking times, that's up to personal preference to be honest, and most exams are at 8 AM and I think the later times go away that much quicker. I took my 1st GMAT at 4 PM and will take my 2nd one at 2 PM, but that's because I want an afternoon test and prefer a later exam time. If you wake up consistently at 6 in the morning, then go for the 8 AM exam. If it was me, I may bomb it because I don't like waking up that early, and I start work at 10 AM. For me, the nearest test center is 40 miles away, so it would require me to be up at least three hours before the exam, or in other words, I have to wake up at 5 AM or so to eat, get ready, and commute there.

I think the migraine may have been a bigger factor than what time you took the exam, but if you take it at noon, depending on what time you wake up, you want to make sure you eat a couple hours before the exam, so you won't feel hungry during most of the test, and also make sure that you don't have to take a piss every 15 minutes if you drink a lot of coffee on most mornings.

Most schools don't care how many times you take the exam, especially considering that you aren't applying for Fall 2012. However, if they see that you're getting several scores in the same range and always score there, they will think you maxed out at a certain point, and if your essays and other parts of your application are worse, then that won't look good either.

good luck with the next exam
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Re: 660 to a... 680 :-( [#permalink] New post 11 Dec 2011, 22:48
680 is a good score but yeah not very competitive for good B schools
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Re: 660 to a... 680 :-( [#permalink] New post 12 Dec 2011, 04:14
novanative wrote:
Sorry to hear,

but I don't think the business schools care so much about what company you work for and those you previously worked at as much as what things you picked up in those jobs.

As for test taking times, that's up to personal preference to be honest, and most exams are at 8 AM and I think the later times go away that much quicker. I took my 1st GMAT at 4 PM and will take my 2nd one at 2 PM, but that's because I want an afternoon test and prefer a later exam time. If you wake up consistently at 6 in the morning, then go for the 8 AM exam. If it was me, I may bomb it because I don't like waking up that early, and I start work at 10 AM. For me, the nearest test center is 40 miles away, so it would require me to be up at least three hours before the exam, or in other words, I have to wake up at 5 AM or so to eat, get ready, and commute there.

I think the migraine may have been a bigger factor than what time you took the exam, but if you take it at noon, depending on what time you wake up, you want to make sure you eat a couple hours before the exam, so you won't feel hungry during most of the test, and also make sure that you don't have to take a piss every 15 minutes if you drink a lot of coffee on most mornings.

Most schools don't care how many times you take the exam, especially considering that you aren't applying for Fall 2012. However, if they see that you're getting several scores in the same range and always score there, they will think you maxed out at a certain point, and if your essays and other parts of your application are worse, then that won't look good either.

good luck with the next exam



True, test time depends on personal preference. I know I would wake up every morning at 5am to study, and start my commute at 7. I've always found it easier to concentrate first thing in the morning.

I know admission into these programs doesn't rely solely on which companies you've worked for... but since I don't have a prestigious undergrad I think it would count a bit more. I haven't gone through one of the rigorous selection processes to get into either an ivy league or a big consulting firm. Although I've done very well and moved up in every job I've had, and I'll have great recommendations, I think it may be too many strikes against me before I get to tell adcoms my story.

I know a big reason behind my score was my inability to focus due to being sick. Also, being sick stressed me out, brought my confidence down, and just hurt my overall preformance. I was a mess.

I set out with a goal of at least 700 (but secretly 740). Although I know I haven't hit the highest I can score, there is always a chance I dont break 700 again... so I guess I need to figure out if the risk of scoring under 700 for a 3rd time is worth it.

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Re: 660 to a... 680 :-( [#permalink] New post 12 Dec 2011, 04:16
sandeeepsharma wrote:
680 is a good score but yeah not very competitive for good B schools


yeah 680 (85th percentile) will get you into a great school if you have a strong undergrad and work experience... I cant afford another strike against me.
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Re: 660 to a... 680 :-( [#permalink] New post 12 Dec 2011, 10:02
When I looked at the first sentence of your post it gave me a sense of happiness to see that you had progressed but the sad smiley told me that you are not completely happy. :( Please don't be disheartened. I am just out of college and still preparing for my first GMAT attempt but I must tell you that when I attended the GMAT fair organized by GMAC, I sat for discussions with various schools and there were many who raised questions about the impression that giving more than 2 attempts creates on the minds of the people on the selection board. You would be surprised to know that some of experts mentioned that it is not necessarily something that would weaken your application, especially if your scores have risen with each attempt.It shows that you have the patience, perseverance and endurance,it puts the impression out that you have the will and strength to achieve what you had set out to do.

Coming to your concerns about experience, I should tell you that I am currently unemployed,and straight out of college so I wanted to make sure that I gather the kind of experience that the top schools expect from a candidate. So more often than anything else, I asked them what they preferred- excellent experience in an average company or average(or even good) experience in an excellent company, and almost every single time the reply I got was that its what the candidate does that matters to them more than what the organization he worked for does. After all its you who's getting the MBA and not your firm. Its great people who make great companies, and not necessarily the other way round.

In my opinion, if you aren't happy with your scores, you should give it another shot, especially when you know you are already almost there. You made the effort, you deserve the result, just don't let your dream slip by.
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Re: 660 to a... 680 :-( [#permalink] New post 13 Dec 2011, 00:44
I don't know about your application deadline situation. However if you have time would suggest to study for 1 or even 2 months to get to 720.

680 is 80%ile and 720 is 95%ile a big gap - you are beating the masses that you are supposed to beat to get a seat.
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Re: 660 to a... 680 :-( [#permalink] New post 13 Dec 2011, 00:53
ijoshi wrote:

So more often than anything else, I asked them what they preferred- excellent experience in an average company or average(or even good) experience in an excellent company, and almost every single time the reply I got was that its what the candidate does that matters to them more than what the organization he worked for does. After all its you who's getting the MBA and not your firm. Its great people who make great companies, and not necessarily the other way round.



Its the way things should be however the reality is different. If you work in an excellent company - it already signals to the B School that you are a filtered candidate. Working at a no name company in an bad profile signals the opposite.
People starting their careers are inavriably given limited opportunities and roles and hence its very difficult to get differntiated on the basis of work alone. Do you wonder why they bring - GMAT/GPA/Extra -curriculars in the picture ?
Not trying to discourage you - just calling - spade a spade.
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Re: 660 to a... 680 :-( [#permalink] New post 13 Dec 2011, 05:06
AbhiJ wrote:
I don't know about your application deadline situation. However if you have time would suggest to study for 1 or even 2 months to get to 720.

680 is 80%ile and 720 is 95%ile a big gap - you are beating the masses that you are supposed to beat to get a seat.



I still have time. I'm applying for fall of 2013, so I still have a full year in some cases. Planned on R2 of this year at first, but next year made more sense for me.
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Re: 660 to a... 680 :-( [#permalink] New post 13 Dec 2011, 05:19
AbhiJ wrote:
ijoshi wrote:

So more often than anything else, I asked them what they preferred- excellent experience in an average company or average(or even good) experience in an excellent company, and almost every single time the reply I got was that its what the candidate does that matters to them more than what the organization he worked for does. After all its you who's getting the MBA and not your firm. Its great people who make great companies, and not necessarily the other way round.



Its the way things should be however the reality is different. If you work in an excellent company - it already signals to the B School that you are a filtered candidate. Working at a no name company in an bad profile signals the opposite.
People starting their careers are inavriably given limited opportunities and roles and hence its very difficult to get differntiated on the basis of work alone. Do you wonder why they bring - GMAT/GPA/Extra -curriculars in the picture ?
Not trying to discourage you - just calling - spade a spade.


Its true. People who do well in high school go to top colleges, people who do well in top colleges got to top companies, people who go to top companies go to top B-Schools.

Those of us without that story need to stand out a bit more in other areas. I've worked for great companies, but not the best of the best. I went to a decent school, but not one of the best. I did very well on my GMAT, but I'm not in the top 90%. So... why would I assume I could make one of the best schools?

I ma be wrong, but I think someone with this type of background needs a great gmat score, so atleast adcom takes notice and gives that applicant a chance to tell their story.
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