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710 disappointed, but with some advice [#permalink] New post 18 Sep 2006, 07:36
710 94% (48 quant, 39 verbal)

Let me first just say that i am not very happy with my score, and i am contemplating retaking the exam.

My advice i give to everyone is to be cafeful with the timing of your breaks.

My quant score seems low, i got a 50 on every GMATprep i took before the real deal. My quant score is low because i made a pretty big mistake on the first break after the essays.

I had 8 minutes left following the second essay so i decided i would take a break. I figured i had 18 minutes, 8 for the last part of the essay portion and 10 minutes for the break. So i took a 13 or 14 minute break and sat back down to start the math section. I was shocked to find out that the last 5 or 6 minutes of my break ate into my math time instead of the 10 minute break time. So i only had 70 minutes for the quant section. Because of this i was very rushed on the first 20 questions or so and i know that i made a few dumb rushed mistakes.

So my question is if i get a 50 on the quant and keep my 39 on the verbal (39 is on the good side of average for me on verbal) could i expect a 730 total? And do you think that the extra 20 points will make a difference with admissions. I am applying to the real estate development programs at MIT and Columbia.
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 [#permalink] New post 18 Sep 2006, 08:17
Matt,
First off, congrats on the performance and the score inspite of the timing mishap. It takes a lot to keep your cool and work on the rest of the sections after the initial hiccup.
As for the 20 points, my personal belief is that it is NOT worth it... Unless you know that the school is looking for a higher score, your score puts you pretty high to begin with.
So in my opinion you should spend more time for the 20 points.

Good luck in all your endeavours..
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 [#permalink] New post 18 Sep 2006, 10:47
Typically, I have read in blogs about business school admissions that it is worth re-taking the exam if you are confident you can improve by 30 points. If your verbal is in the high range of your practice scores, it may not be worth the effort to re-take the exam to get those 2 extra points on Q, because there is some risk your verbal could go down a bit.

My advice would be that if you think you can work on verbal and increase your range 3-4 points, it might be worth re-taking the exam. It sounds like you won't need to study Q much to improve your score there, since your setback was because of a timing error. If you think you can study again so 39 is the low end of your verbal, and then also improve on Q, you could be looking at 30-40 points, which would put you at the top end of admitted students at almost any school.

Columbia and MIT are both very competitive - I do not know if there is any difference for the real estate specialization programs you mention. 710 puts you squarely in the middle range of admitted applicants for both schools; 740-750 would put you into the top quarter or so.
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 [#permalink] New post 18 Sep 2006, 11:04
That is what i was thinking. I do not feel confident with a score in the middle of the pack.
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 [#permalink] New post 18 Sep 2006, 13:01
mattflow wrote:
That is what i was thinking. I do not feel confident with a score in the middle of the pack.


Yeah, I agree with you, and it's the big white elephant in the room that everyone tries to ignore when they point out that a score is "within the average range".

Of course each person has different work experience, college scores, recommendations and essays. But for a person that has typical (for an admitted student) work experience, typical grades, and typical essays and recommendations (everyone thinks that they nail the essays and recommendations but the reality is that most are probably average), a middle of the pack GMAT score probably means the chance of admission is right at the school average admit rate.

The admissions rate at Columbia last year was 15%. So, each person knows if they are a fulbright scholar or a senators kid, but if all other things are typical, a 710 GMAT probably means that you have about a 15% chance of being admitted. Being 'in the range' doesn't equal admission, or even a good chance at admission, especially at the most competitive schools.
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 [#permalink] New post 22 Sep 2006, 10:20
Also - seems like it might be worth putting this question in front of Paul or one of the other Admissions Consultants to get their views...
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 [#permalink] New post 23 Sep 2006, 05:27
I think your score is fabulous as schools wont reject you for it, but if you think you can do better, sure go for it. Whats your profile like? Maybe if you have an unique profile, you dont need to take gmat again..
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 [#permalink] New post 23 Sep 2006, 07:55
Congrats Mattflow....

We have seen another member pelihu who has just decimated the test twice.

But for a 20 point thing I wouldnt do it. Everyone is different so take a decision of your choice.

COngratulations anyways ..It was an awesome score
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 [#permalink] New post 23 Sep 2006, 15:31
Matt,

Why 730? If you're repeating and you are confident - then set a goal of hitting the 99th percentile (750+) because that would make better sense.

The nice thing about your situation is you may have a good shot at it, and assuming your current GMAT is the first one - most schools would anyway take the higher score, so you can't lose much. But a nice score like that would make your application more favorable.

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 [#permalink] New post 29 Sep 2006, 11:58
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Matt,

Why 730? If you're repeating and you are confident - then set a goal of hitting the 99th percentile (750+) because that would make better sense.

The nice thing about your situation is you may have a good shot at it, and assuming your current GMAT is the first one - most schools would anyway take the higher score, so you can't lose much. But a nice score like that would make your application more favorable.

good luck!


Congrats Matt,

I completely agree with necro. Why go for 20 points when you can go for 40? In fact, if your quant was on the low end, just maintain your usual 50 and attack ONE aspect of your verbal. If you do so, you might easily get 750+ Good luck.
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Re: 710 disappointed, but with some advice [#permalink] New post 29 Sep 2006, 14:57
mattflow wrote:
710 94% (48 quant, 39 verbal)

Let me first just say that i am not very happy with my score, and i am contemplating retaking the exam.



too bad you aren't happy, I will take it if you don't want it :lol: :lol: :lol:

CONGRATS anyways!

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 [#permalink] New post 02 Oct 2006, 06:40
I just received my official score and i did aweful on the AWA (4.5). Should this change my mind about retaking the exam? Exactly how hard does MIT or Columbia at the AWA scores (I am applying to the real estate development program, not the MBA)? I had just come to the conclusion a few days ago that i would not retest.
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