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Hi all,

I've been stalking the forum for a while before taking my GMAT and found some very good study material on here so I though I would give back some experience I got from my study periods and test taking.

Overview, I take the GMAT only once in February 2015. I study for it on/off for almost half a year (with two 3-month gaps in between so it's almost one year). My initial score is 680 (better math than verbal). Some background: I'm Vietnamese, study in an international university in Vietnam.

Tip and trick
Unfortunately I take a course in my hometown (HCMC) which used its own material which I notice is a combination of a lot of sources stated on here (Mostly Kaplan, Princeton, Manhattan and Official Guide). However, there is a few lesson that have been drilled into me which I think you can benefit from:

AWA: don't study for it too much (spend 2 days reviewing the list topics + chineseburned awa got a 5 in the end) focus more on the Verbal and Quan, that's the key.
IR: also not a focus. I did familiarized myself with the type of question. (got an 8) The biggest lesson for me is APPROXIMATION IS ENOUGH. Don't bother with the complicated maths, round number to the nearest reasonable number (ex: 4985 ~ 5000) before calculate and pay close attention to the question. That's where the trap lie.
(My teacher actually tell me to take it very easy on these two sectors as there don't count into the final score and wear you down significantly, especially the IR).

Verbal: Timing: 1-10 (25 mins), 11-20 (15 mins), 20-30 (15 mins), 30-41 (20 mins)
1. Sentence: : Analyses the original sentence very carefully, break it down to Subject-Verb pair. I found that half of the time S-V agreement (plural-singular, tense) is reason to eliminate half of the answer, then pay attention to adjective clause/phrase (again tense and subject-verb agreement), object (especially does it match the subject). Usually you will be left with two - three choices after consider all the above. Pick out the differences between these choices and decided which one is correct. By strictly following these step, I save a lot of time (average time for sentence question is 1 min or a little bit less). It helps me make sense of the question since English is not my mother tongue and sentence is my weakest point from the beginning.

2. Critical Reasoning :
Read the QUESTION first, no exception. Pay attention to two points: what type of question (Weaken, Strengthen, Infer, Bold face...) this will help you frame the direction of your thought, what other pieces of information do you need? (usually it will be a conclusion, a plan, a hypothesis... of somebody). Skim through the paragraph until you see this information (and I mean skim, don't read, don't pay attention to anything except to look for that exact word (usually GMAT use the same word in the question as in the paragraph) and usually it's at the end of the paragraph). Read that sentence carefully. If it mentions another piece of information (ex: this substance, this plan...) then go back up and look. Only after those steps did you start reading the answer. By this time you will have a good idea of the question without reading it from end to end.

Eliminate the answer base on scope first. Usually, 2-3 of the answer can be eliminated this way. For example, if the question is about country X and answer A and B mention country Y or "other countries", they are out of scope and is eliminated. If the question is about cost and the answer mention method (without linking it to cost), it is eliminated. This process is hard to explain and is scary to apply (in fact the whole methods of doing Critical Reasoning this way is a bit scary because you are leaving out pieces of information on the question which you don't read and you are judging answer based on a few word in it) but it have served me very well. It saves time and require little effort. If you want and example, post a question below and I'll solve it this way for you.

3. Reading : This is the part where I don't really have special trick. Usually it require the same strategy that I used in Critical Reasoning. I did make a note to skim through the whole paragraph first (there's usually a general question that require you to give the overall theme/topic anyway). I pay particular attention to the first few sentences (it usually point out the topic) and any transition words (ex: however, furthermore, first of all, secondly...) which will allow me to understand the structure of the paragraph (same as critical reasoning, there are part that I will not be reading since it does not come up in any question)

Quantitative: I'm sorry but I can't help you much in this area, my math score goes up quickly after a short review of the basic maths concept and solution. I do have an advice on timing though 1-10 (25 mins), 11-20 (15 mins), 20-30 (15 mins), 30-37 (20 mins). During the one minute they read the instruction, I divided my scrap book as below: Start from the beginning, first two page divided into 10 section (5 per page, usually two at the top, two at the bottom, a narrow section in the middle) at the end of page 2 I write the number of minute I should have left (which is 50 mins). Repeat it twice for the other two sectors and for the last sector, each page are divided into 4 with the last section on the last page cross out. This allow me to keep track of which formula is for the current question (thus allows easy check) and keep track of time. If you get to the end of any section more than 2 mins early then slow down, more than 2 mins late then speed up. If you are 5 mins late to any section, just randomly tick the next question and speed up to catch up.

Making habit

I know I will most likely take test very early in the morning (in HCMC) the test start mostly around 8-9h in the morning, depend on the time you book. So I mostly do full test on Sat morning, starting at similar time. I think it creates a good habit. Plus, my other time slot is after work which gives horrible result (usually a 50 point different since I'm burn out right at the start). I also notice that being hungry or recently eat a big meal reduce score too :lol: . I'm completely serious, the difference is big enough and constant enough to be noticed.

I build a healthy habit in the week before test day: short exercise in the morning (30 mins), full breakfast at least 30 mins before the time I suppose to take the test (8 a.m.). Because I work full time, taking a long break to prepare is not possible (I got 2 vacation days left at the time). So I take those two days off, the first days are for normal practice and one full test (Princeton: 730. This is also the first time I take the test with the AWA). The second day (one day before the test), I follow my routine then start the test at exactly the same time as the official test (GMAT Prep Test 2: AWA, IR, CR and Quan. Get 770, I don't remember exact score but Q is 52 or 53 and V 46). The rest of the day, I relax, watch TV (Director cut of The Two Tower and The Return of the King, my brain is mud by the time it's end :lol: ).

Test day:

I follow the exact habit I make the day before. Between section, I drink Coca Cola (I'm not advertising for them but since high school I drink them if I need energy quick (I hate coffee)) and do some simple stretch. Most importantly, don't bother thinking about questions or sections that you have done. It serves no purpose and slow you down. If you get an easy answer after a difficult one. Don't freak out and think you get the previous one wrong. It is most likely an unmarked question (I don't remember what they was call but it's the one put in to test if the question can be used in future test). By the end of the Verbal, I can feel myself slow down and the question start to make not much sense. But I have over 10mins left and only three question (none of which are reading) so I relax and I go slow and careful with them. I think I got them all.

I believe the GMAT isn't supposed to be a test of your reasoning still alone but rather how you manage your time and effort to product the best possible result. Except for extraordinary cases, most of us probably left the test room exhausted and with a headache. So it's a matter of maximize your resource (hence the habit) and utilize that resource well (the crazy strategy).

Practice test:
You probably have found lots of good advice on what practice test to use elsewhere on the forum so I won't repeat it here. I do suggest you leave Test 2 of GMAT Prep for right before you take the real test. It is probably the best indication of what you will face on test day.

Hope this help.
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Re: 770: V47 - Q50: Some experience & strategy [#permalink] New post 26 Mar 2015, 01:29
amazing score...Congrats! Thanks for sharing your experience.
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Re: 770: V47 - Q50: Some experience & strategy [#permalink] New post 26 Mar 2015, 14:32
Congrat! That is an amazing score!V47 is very amazing! i am so happy when reading " I am vietnamese " :-D
Wish you get into your favorite school soon :-D
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Re: 770: V47 - Q50: Some experience & strategy [#permalink] New post 26 Mar 2015, 15:04
can you explain what materials you used and tests followed.
It will be helpful if you explain the method of preparation.
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can you explain what materials you used and tests followed.
It will be helpful if you explain the method of preparation.


My mock test is mainly PowerPrep, GMAT Prep. I also try Princeton and Cambridge mock test but the type of question are not as good.

To improve, I have sets of question divided into problem types (for Sentence: S-V agreement, Preposition, Parallel, Word Choice. For CR: Weaken, Strengthen, Infer...). When you do a bunch of them together, you will notice pattern in question and answer. I found that very helpful. I do have access to a massive amount of material from my tutor and I'm not sure how much time it will take if you have to compose your own list. But I think it will worth a try.
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Re: 770: V47 - Q50: Some experience & strategy [#permalink] New post 26 Mar 2015, 23:00
congratulation! that is an amazing score!

Could you share with us the resources that you used? By the way, can you illustrate your CR-method in approaching this question? it would be a great help for me!

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The spacing of the four holes on a fragment of a bone flute excavated at a Neanderthal campsite is just what is required to play the third through sixth notes of the diatonic scale—the seven-note musical scale used in much of Western music since the Renaissance. Musicologists therefore hypothesize that the diatonic musical scale was developed and used thousands of years before it was adopted by Western musicians.

Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the hypothesis?

(A) Bone flutes were probably the only musical instrument made by Neanderthals.
(B) No musical instrument that is known to have used a diatonic scale is of an earlier date than the flute found at the Neanderthal campsite.
(C) The flute was made from a cave-bear bone and the campsite at which the flute fragment was excavated was in a cave that also contained skeletal remains of cave bears.
(D) Flutes are the simplest wind instrument that can be constructed to allow playing a diatonic scale.
(E) The cave-bear leg bone used to make the Neanderthal flute would have been long enough to make a flute capable of playing a complete diatonic scale.
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congratulation! that is an amazing score!

Could you share with us the resources that you used? By the way, can you illustrate your CR-method in approaching this question? it would be a great help for me!

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The spacing of the four holes on a fragment of a bone flute excavated at a Neanderthal campsite is just what is required to play the third through sixth notes of the diatonic scale—the seven-note musical scale used in much of Western music since the Renaissance. Musicologists therefore hypothesize that the diatonic musical scale was developed and used thousands of years before it was adopted by Western musicians.

Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the hypothesis?

(A) Bone flutes were probably the only musical instrument made by Neanderthals.
(B) No musical instrument that is known to have used a diatonic scale is of an earlier date than the flute found at the Neanderthal campsite.
(C) The flute was made from a cave-bear bone and the campsite at which the flute fragment was excavated was in a cave that also contained skeletal remains of cave bears.
(D) Flutes are the simplest wind instrument that can be constructed to allow playing a diatonic scale.
(E) The cave-bear leg bone used to make the Neanderthal flute would have been long enough to make a flute capable of playing a complete diatonic scale.


The resource that I used belong to my teacher. However, most of the questions are actually on this forum. I'll find some time and post a separate topic listing question by type so you can practice.

As for the question:
Step 1: This is a STRENGTHEN question: "supports". Information need: "Hypothesis"

Step 2: Found "hypothesize" in last sentence. Read last sentence to know what is hypothesis. I don't know what "diatonic musical scale" is ("diatonic musical scale" is the main subject of this sentence so you should not risk guest it) + "therefore" mean the hypothesis is a conclusion. If I want to strengthen conclusion, I need to find the information lead to that conclusion and support it one way or another. --> Read up.

Step 3: Read first sentence: I now known "diatonic musical scale" is "the seven-note musical scale". I also know the information lead to the hypothesis is "The spacing of the four holes on a fragment of a bone flute" --> To strengthen, I probably need something that link the "bone flute" to the "scale" --> I have an idea what I am looking for in the answer.

Step 4: Skim over the answer and do a initial elimination:
A. It mentions "only" instrument. As a rule of thumb, if an answer have "only", "every" or "all", you can consider it eliminate. The reason is any answer that make a claim of "only", "every", "all" is making an ASSUMPTION, often an unsupported one and GMAT consider that the biggest mistake --> eliminate.

B. It mentions "scale" and "the (bone) flute" which is close to what we are look at --> Leave it for now.

C. It doesn't mention "scale" + it clearly talk about the material while we are discussing function "scale" --> OUT OF SCOPE--> eliminate.

D. It mentions "scale" BUT it doesn't mention the "bone". It is also over GENERALIZE, we are discussing "bone flute" which is very specific instrument but this answer mention "Flute", not "the flute" --> eliminate. (I eliminate it immediately but if you are not convince, leave it for now)

E. It mentions "bone...flute", and scale --> leave it for now

--> We have B and E left (or B, D, and E if you don't dare to eliminate D just yet)

Step 5: Reasoning:

As mention in step 3, I know I need to find something that link the "bone flute" with the "scale" to strengthen the hypothesis.

B "No other instrument" is answer is IRRELEVANT because I don't care about the other instrument. I care about linking this particular bone flute to the scale --> eliminate.

D "Flute" is over GENERALIZE + IRRELEVANT because it again doesn't talk about the "bone flute" --> eliminate.

E Obviously linking the "bone flute" to the scale by pointing out the original material could make an instrument that is capable of covering the whole scale --> CHOOSE.

I know it seems very long and complicated way to answer the question (and in this case I end up reading the whole paragraph anyway). But I'm verbalize everything I will be thinking to answer this question. The actual process takes only a little time when you do it often. Beside, after Step 3 I very much have an idea of what I am looking for. Usually I will choose option E the second I skim through it.
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Thank you for your brilliant guidance, that is very helpful for me

Btw, how should I practice to master this approach? Are there any exception for CR question type?
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Thank you for your brilliant guidance, that is very helpful for me

Btw, how should I practice to master this approach? Are there any exception for CR question type?


The best way is to find a whole list of question that is of the same type (Weaken, Strengthen...) as I mentions before. Doing 10 of them back to back really bring out the similarity.

Boldface (the question about what is the role of the bold section) is the exception which you can't used this on. Strengthen and Weaken are actually the two easiest type. The question that require you to point out the underline assumption of a reasoning or to answer what can you infer from the given information are harder.
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Re: 770: V47 - Q50: Some experience & strategy [#permalink] New post 27 Mar 2015, 04:52
Thanks again, I will practice this approach and then figure it out whether it is the best fix for me!
I am in HCM too, could you share with me some information about the course that you enrolled in? I really want to beat the GMAT!
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Re: 770: V47 - Q50: Some experience & strategy [#permalink] New post 27 Mar 2015, 15:08
Congratulations on you fantastic score. Pls guide/ provide more information on the
1. quant review sheet used before taking test, as mentioned in your
comment to review quant basics.
2. If it's inference/ assumption question then reading the full and understanind helps?
3. I'm not able to increase my verbal score from 20. RC eats my time, as RC is important how should I plan so that my entire verbal score will improve.

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Re: 770: V47 - Q50: Some experience & strategy [#permalink] New post 27 Mar 2015, 17:09
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Congratulations on you fantastic score. Pls guide/ provide more information on the
1. quant review sheet used before taking test, as mentioned in your
comment to review quant basics.
2. If it's inference/ assumption question then reading the full and understanind helps?
3. I'm not able to increase my verbal score from 20. RC eats my time, as RC is important how should I plan so that my entire verbal score will improve.

Thanks,

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1. I first learn how to set up my scratch paper here: https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/blog ... tch-paper/. However, I have to adapted it to my timing. I divided the whole test into four section: 25, 15, 15, 20 mins. Because the clock countdown, the following time left will mark the end of each section: 50, 35, 20, 0. First section each include 10 question. last section only include 7. What I have is 6 sheet set up as the first picture (which divided the paper into 5 part for 5 question/sheet). At the end of sheet 2, I write 50 (the amount of time I have left), end of sheet 4 is 35, end of sheet 6 is 20. Last 2 sheet set up as the rest of the picture (divided into 4) with the last part on the last page cross out (as the last section only have 7 question). I hope this help.

2. Even for Inference/assumption, you still need to follow the step. This method does save you some extra reading sometime but more importantly it allow you to understand the argument better since you are tracing a line of thought backward. It also make the error (especially in assumption) clearer.

3. RC took time longer than usual, that is true. If I don't encounter any RC in any of the section, I usually finish the section 3-4 mins earlier than expects and that is fine. You need to account for RC taking longer when you time your progress. To save time, in the beginning, read the first sentences of the paragraph first then skim down. Make note of thing such as linking world like Furthermore, However..., name (of people, place...). Linking word will also give you an understanding what is the relationship between part. Ex: For example mean the following is an example supporting the previous (knowing that is enough, don't read on). However means the following is against the previous. Furthermore is the following support the previous. These words give you the structure of the paragraph. I suggest to improve you should print out a lot of paragraph and practice this with a pencil. For each half A4 paragraph, you should be able to map it out in under 30 seconds. GMAT questions often are not random. The question they ask you will concern information that move from top to bottom with a few general idea question at the beginning or end.

A map of the paragraph could be like this: First line say that the paragraph author support idea A. It is because of B and C. He then explains C (without further mention B, it happen, a lot) and give example C'. Second paragraph start with However and refuse C because of D. D is promoted by person X and organization Y. However, person T argue that X and Y don't account for E when they think about D. Last paragraph concludes that C is still in debate and we need to learn more about E effect of D before we can conclude about C.
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I live in hcmc too. Can you share some info about your tutor.

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The method suggested for CR is great, thank you very much for sharing it.
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Re: 770: V47 - Q50: Some experience & strategy [#permalink] New post 30 Mar 2015, 22:53
Congratulation on your admirable result. Appreciated for your sharing strategy, especially in Critical reasoning. In this field (CR), I have a few questions as below:

1. What is your rationale (or why do you think) that only read the sentence carefully which includes the “exact word” in the question without reading the premise (“reading it from end to end”) is the enough condition to solve the CR question? (I don’t mention the case the question includes this plan, this substance as you have already solved a OG example)
2. In your side, is there any risk that you could choose the wrong answer if you follow up this strategy? If yes, pls explain the reason.
3. Could you take an examples (level 700+) and give explanation based on this strategy without reading other premise?
4. You mention that Strengthen and Weaken are easiest types, while Assumption and Inference is harder. In my side, the approach to Strengthen, Weaken and Assumption is similar as one must find the assumption to break Strengthen, Weaken and Assumption question types. As such, the level of difficulty is the same among these types, except for that Assumption need additional negation testing.
Is there any wrong in my mind? And could you give more explanation why in your side, the assumption is harder than Strengthen and Weaken?

Look forward on your response. Great thanks!
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Congratulation on your admirable result. Appreciated for your sharing strategy, especially in Critical reasoning. In this field (CR), I have a few questions as below:

1. What is your rationale (or why do you think) that only read the sentence carefully which includes the “exact word” in the question without reading the premise (“reading it from end to end”) is the enough condition to solve the CR question? (I don’t mention the case the question includes this plan, this substance as you have already solved a OG example)
2. In your side, is there any risk that you could choose the wrong answer if you follow up this strategy? If yes, pls explain the reason.
3. Could you take an examples (level 700+) and give explanation based on this strategy without reading other premise?
4. You mention that Strengthen and Weaken are easiest types, while Assumption and Inference is harder. In my side, the approach to Strengthen, Weaken and Assumption is similar as one must find the assumption to break Strengthen, Weaken and Assumption question types. As such, the level of difficulty is the same among these types, except for that Assumption need additional negation testing.
Is there any wrong in my mind? And could you give more explanation why in your side, the assumption is harder than Strengthen and Weaken?

Look forward on your response. Great thanks!


Here is a question somebody send me to answer. It is one that I only need the first sentence to answer. Although, I must warn you it required a lot of reasoning and ultimately, I did go back to read half a sentence more to confirm my answer:

It is ludicrous to assert that the math department's new policy, allowing the use of non-programmable calculators during exams, is discriminatory. Though a calculator can be expensive, and some students will not be able to purchase one, the department is not requiring that students use one, it is only allowing them to do so if they desire. Thus, any student who does not purchase a calculator for use on his exams will not be penalized; he or she will be no worse off at exam time than he or she was prior to the policy change.

To which of the following would the opponents of the math department's new policy be most likely to refer, in an attempt to have the new policy abolished?
A. The difference in speed between a top-of-the-line calculator and a bottom-end one is significant.
B. Each individual student's performance is evaluated against the performance of his or her fellow students on math department exams.
C. The university student services department will make available to all students calculators that can be borrowed as library books are.
D. Much of the math being tested on most of the exams in question is so complex that it requires a calculator-like mind to do the necessary computations.
E. When calculators were not allowed, more than half of all students failed their math exams

Step 1: Read the question. This is WEAKEN: "Opponents", "abolished". Topic of discussion: "new policy". They do not specify what is the new policy so I read up.

Step 2 & 3: First sentence explains what is the "new policy": "allowing the use of non-programmable calculators during exams". It also denied that this policy is discriminatory which means the opponent must have cited "discriminatory" as their reason to oppose. For something to be discriminative, it must benefit some students more than other --> I must find a way to show that calculator use in exam room affects students differently. I stop reading here but will come back to confirm my choice.

Step 4: Skim through choice:
A. Compare between different type of calculator --> could affect student differently --> leave it
B. It didn't mention calculator but it did mentions student, more importantly it mentions comparison between student (evaluation) --> leave it for now.
C. This answer actually support the policy since it equalize all student chance --> eliminate
D. Type of math are not the one being debate, it also do not mention calculator but rather "calculator-like mind" (there are 2 different thing) --> out of scope --> eliminate.
E. We don't care about "When calculators were not allowed", we care about when it is allowed --> out of scope --> eliminate.

Step 5: I have two good candidate left A and B.

The simple way would be come back up and read a bit more then choose, the hard but take less effort way is to reason them first

A. A seems like it could be the correct answer because different calculator --> different speed --> different student performance --> discrimination right? Actually, you must note that although calculator is the subject of debate, the end result of the debate is the students' performance. This is important to note because one of GMAT favorite "seemingly right but ultimately wrong" answer types is the one that allows you to make a reasonable assumption which is actually not supported in the text. While "different calculator --> different speed --> different student performance" sound logical, it is just your mind saying it's a possibility. There's no guarantee that speed affects student performance, it's possible that the student with the fast calculator just spend half of his/her exam doing nothing and get the same score as everybody else :-D .

B. B basically mean that the grade are curved, which means if your class perform better and you remains the same then your grade goes down. I choose this question immediately because it's the only one left. But to be sure, I read up. For this fact to be the detergent, I need information that show by introduce the calculator, they are improving some performance and leave other the same. If you look up, you will see clearly this is the case. --> CHOOSE

To answer some of your questions:
1. Reading from end to end make your mind lazy, you read the words but might not be able to create a coherent line of reasoning. By starting with the question, you are more proactive in your reading and allows you to reason. And I don't just read the sentence with the "exact word" alone, if the sentence require more clarification (in previous case: "scale", in this case: none), I will read on further. What matter most is don't read more than you need, it will confuse you. Also, tracing the line of reasoning backward actually help you point out the assumption in lots of case.

2. Even if you follow this strategy correctly and think clearly, you can get around 95% correct (which is what I hope for in GMAT CR anyway). The reason is simple, there is a chance that you actually miss some information in the part you don't read. To minimize this, if I have more time than I need, I will take it slow and actually read back up if I am unsure about my answer. If I am short on time, I just move on.

3. I hope the question about satisfy, although as you see, in the end I did look up. If I don't have the time, I will choose it on the base that it's the only answer that don't have a mistake in it.

4. I think which type is easier depend on the person. For me weaken and strengthen is easier because the type of answer are often typical. You are right about weaken and strengthen are mostly backing up or breaking down an assumption. I found that Assumption in general are a bit harder because in one line of reasoning, there could be more than one assumption. The answer could include one correct assumption and one that require another extra minor assumption (from our side) to match with the reasoning and I often get that wrong.
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Re: 770: V47 - Q50: Some experience & strategy [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2015, 19:45
Appreciated your response with detailed explanation on my concern. Honestly, when I look at only the first sentence “new policy, allowing the use of non-programmable calculators during exams, is discriminatory.”, nothing comes to my mind at that time for the scope and the assumption the author made. Until I read until the last sentence and take a moment for thinking, I can point out that I must find new information that break the relationship between the impact of this policy and performance among students, which I mean the scope of argument, as the last sentence of argument mentions a little things on that.

Even if I realize that the scope MAYBE talk about the relationship between the policy and performance of students by only reading the sentence included “new policy”, I am still worried that my thinking could be wrong as the scope may be different from my mind if the unread sentence (unread premise) discussed on other topics/relationships.

1. I am scare that I bear the risk of finding out incorrect scope if not read the unread premise, but your statistical data 95% correct supports that your approach works effectively. As such, could you share your experience that how can you find out the scope and trust that this is USSUALLY correct by only reading the sentence which includes the “exact word”.
(I think you could response that I can further support my answer with further reading the unread premise, but besides that is there any reason?)
2. Regarding to Assumption type, I just confirm my understanding that in your experience on the high level difficulty of this type, the answer may include two assumption: one is assumption, the other, which has extra minor assumption, is similar to assumption. Could you explain more about the characteristic of this incorrect assumption (you can give example to clarify)? And any tip and rationale to avoid such wrong answer based on your experience.
3. In your side, the approach to Assumption and Evaluate question is the same or not? If not the same, pls help to explain.

Hope you can clear my concern your precious advice could open my mind on my logical thinking. Look forward to your response. Thanks a lot bro!
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Re: 770: V47 - Q50: Some experience & strategy [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2015, 21:03
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Appreciated your response with detailed explanation on my concern. Honestly, when I look at only the first sentence “new policy, allowing the use of non-programmable calculators during exams, is discriminatory.”, nothing comes to my mind at that time for the scope and the assumption the author made. Until I read until the last sentence and take a moment for thinking, I can point out that I must find new information that break the relationship between the impact of this policy and performance among students, which I mean the scope of argument, as the last sentence of argument mentions a little things on that.

Even if I realize that the scope MAYBE talk about the relationship between the policy and performance of students by only reading the sentence included “new policy”, I am still worried that my thinking could be wrong as the scope may be different from my mind if the unread sentence (unread premise) discussed on other topics/relationships.

1. I am scare that I bear the risk of finding out incorrect scope if not read the unread premise, but your statistical data 95% correct supports that your approach works effectively. As such, could you share your experience that how can you find out the scope and trust that this is USSUALLY correct by only reading the sentence which includes the “exact word”.
(I think you could response that I can further support my answer with further reading the unread premise, but besides that is there any reason?)
2. Regarding to Assumption type, I just confirm my understanding that in your experience on the high level difficulty of this type, the answer may include two assumption: one is assumption, the other, which has extra minor assumption, is similar to assumption. Could you explain more about the characteristic of this incorrect assumption (you can give example to clarify)? And any tip and rationale to avoid such wrong answer based on your experience.
3. In your side, the approach to Assumption and Evaluate question is the same or not? If not the same, pls help to explain.

Hope you can clear my concern your precious advice could open my mind on my logical thinking. Look forward to your response. Thanks a lot bro!


1. It's extremely scary to work this way. It took me over four months before I am remotely comfortable with actually skipping the rest of the paragraph. Even then, I do go back to make sure. To make it easier for you, maybe you could start by apply the methods I use to outline reading paragraph: guest how the part related to each other. For example, when you read the first sentence, you have to really think about it. You should at least notice with the first sentence being "It is ludicrous to..." the rest of the paragraph is probably an explanation why is it "ludicrous". This will at least give you a direction when you read the rest. This plus the knowledge that there is some typical type of wrong answer should aid you. After you do a long list of CR question, you will notice more the pattern of question and wrong/right answer.

The 95% number is because at the end of my practice, I usually get all CR question correct, if I was wrong it's usually no more than 1. This is after I have done at least 200-300 CR (most of them is divided into set of 10 similar type questions and there's around 7-8 types. I've done at least three full set). To practice you should print out the question, when you answer, use pencil to underline keyword (Ex: policy, discriminatory, ludicrous, available to all student, type of math, without calculator...). Write out why the answer is wrong too (Out of scope, contradict, irrelevant...). After you finish, review both one you get right and wrong. Take note of where your reasoning go wrong and take note of the type of wrong answer.

2. I can't remember any Assumption question but there is one Weaken question. Could you find an example of one that seems right? I could explain why it's wrong for you.

3. Evaluate is very similar to Assumption. Most of the case, Evaluate answer is assumption write in different form --> same methods.
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Re: 770: V47 - Q50: Some experience & strategy [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2015, 23:27
Appreciated for your sharing experience.

I think my main problem is the time pressure under the test. Basically, I could get accuracy around 80% given on normal time 2.5 -3 minutes per question. But given under my target time 1.5-2 minutes per question, I usually get wrong answer. In my side, the reason is due to given targeted short time, I can’t understand fully the scope of argument or unsure and not confident that whether my understanding on scope or reasoning of argument is correct or not. As such, I need an advice how to improve my accuracy under the target time.

I have found that your practice approach that finds out the pattern of CR question type by dividing in into 7-8 types which is really similar to my approach that I had done so far. As such, I think your advice could help me a lot to improve my CR skill because of similar approach to break this test.

1. I also did summary my note by myself which divided 7-8 types of CR type given 200 questions. It’s really appreciated if you can look overview on my note, share your experience, give comment on my summary note and assess whether it is appropriate not. If not appropriate, pls help to me give advice. It’s more convince if I send my summary note to your private email.
2. Given my problem under the targeted time, could you please give me other advice to deal with it.

Look forward to your response. Thanks a lot bro!
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