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A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduce [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2004, 23:51
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A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.

(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for dumping by municipalities
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Re: Great Lakes [#permalink] New post 19 Aug 2009, 01:19
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+1 for D wats the OA

It is A, but i am with D too (At least until somebody clarify this...)


Probably, you must have referred it from 1000sc, only in 1000sc it is A, but the same problem is in OG 11 th edition. where OA is D, 1000sc has many questions with wrong OA.


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Is the OA geniune:)
Because I cant understand how A can be the answer, there is absolutely no need of "had been allowed to dump"..as there is only one action in the past.


OA is D

IT IS A PROBLEM FORM OG 11 , PROBLEM NO.62 REFER IT.
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Re: Great Lakes [#permalink] New post 19 Aug 2009, 01:58
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noboru wrote:
Erukumk wrote:
+1 for D wats the OA


It is A, but i am with D too (At least until somebody clarify this...)


Probably, you must have referred it from 1000sc, only in 1000sc it is A, but the same problem is in OG 11 th edition. where OA is D, 1000sc has many questions with wrong OA.


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Is the OA geniune:)
Because I cant understand how A can be the answer, there is absolutely no need of "had been allowed to dump"..as there is only one action in the past.


OA is D

IT IS A PROBLEM FORM OG 11 , PROBLEM NO.62 REFER IT.


1000sc has many questions wrong??? that is very disappointing!!!
i was using it to improve my verbal skills...
Does anybody recommend other source to improve sentence correction skills?? (i have already done OG, and would like to going further).
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Re: Great Lakes [#permalink] New post 19 Aug 2009, 05:55
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1000sc has many questions wrong??? that is very disappointing!!!
i was using it to improve my verbal skills...
Does anybody recommend other source to improve sentence correction skills?? (i have already done OG, and would like to going further).


Hi noboru, the questions are not wrong, they are worth practising, only the OA cant be reliable, so what you do, you search in gmatclub the particular question (almost all the 1000sc questions are already discussed here) to decide about the Correct Answer, by this way you will get to know the correct answer, as well as a lot of discussion why other answers are wrong, the last point is very important in SC preparation
Here is a link for some of 1000sc which has wrong OA, and the correct answers to them..
http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat/27211-i ... c-doc.html
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Re: Great Lakes [#permalink] New post 19 Aug 2009, 06:59
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hey thanks crejoc for the above link.
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Re: Great Lakes [#permalink] New post 19 Aug 2009, 08:04
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hey thanks crejoc for the above link.


It is my pleasure to help you.. :-D
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Re: OG Question- Agreement between USA and Canada. [#permalink] New post 06 Sep 2009, 23:46
This one seems really screwed up. I just took my first GMAT Prep and scored a V45 with 100% accuracy in SC and can't figure out why A is not a perfectly good answer.

Logically, the 1972 agreement reduces the amount of phosphate dumping that was allowed prior to the agreement, hence the HAD BEEN ALLOWED. Prior to the agreement, munis were allowed to dump X (had been allowed to dump X) and after the agreement, they've since been allowed to dump Y.

The 1972 agreement didn't reduce the amount of phosphate dumping currently allowed (as OA choice A implies)... it reduced the amount of phosphate dumping allowed before the agreement. I can't see how "are allowed" can be rationalized.
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Re: OG Question- Agreement between USA and Canada. [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2009, 13:59
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Hi - I agree this question is nasty..

This link has some explanations. Try..

http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/og-sc-62-t580.html
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A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States [#permalink] New post 01 Nov 2009, 14:30
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A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.

(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for dumping by municipalities


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A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.

(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for dumping by municipalities


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[Reveal] Spoiler:
D


Tough between A and D, however:

"Amount of phosphates" is correct not "the phosphate amount".
"are allowed" not "had been allowed" is correct.

On that basis, D should be it.
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Re: Brutal SC #63 [#permalink] New post 01 Nov 2009, 14:52
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This one just kicked my ass. The whole reduces/reduced and are/had been allowed issue confused me. I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around it.

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"Had been allowed" makes it seem that the agreement is no longer in effect and "are allowed" makes it seem that the agreement is still in effect.

That's the reason I chose D.

Not 100% sure if correct though.
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Re: Brutal SC #63 [#permalink] New post 01 Nov 2009, 19:07
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I think it makes sense now. Thanks everyone. Here's my crack at it.

A - "Had been allowed" is not correct. "Are allowed" (present tense) is needed.
B - "Phosphate amount" is not correct.
C - See B above.
D - Correct.
E - "Dumping by municipalities" is passive and can be more concise.
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MY OG 12 SC question No2 [#permalink] New post 16 Nov 2009, 09:00
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A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United
States reduced the amount of phosphates that
municipalities had been allowed to dump into the
Great Lakes.
(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that
municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that
municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities
have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that
municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for
dumping by municipalities
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Re: MY OG 12 SC question No2 [#permalink] New post 16 Nov 2009, 09:04
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A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United
States reduced the amount of phosphates that
municipalities had been allowed to dump into the
Great Lakes.
(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that
municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that
municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities
have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that
municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for
dumping by municipalities


answer D because the agreement is still ongoing....are allowed to dump rather than had been allowed to dump. Had been allowed to dump makes it seem as though the agreement no longer holds.

just an opinion not fact. like to get another opinion
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Re: MY OG 12 SC question No2 [#permalink] New post 16 Nov 2009, 09:34
The "allowed to dump" part is debatable to me. It should read "could have been allowed to dump.." because the agreement specifies the amount you can dump so you could not dump any more than a specified limit. The OA's reasoning is kinda circular to me...
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Re: MY OG 12 SC question No2 [#permalink] New post 16 Nov 2009, 10:07
I agree with lagomez

D for me as well
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Re: Great Lakes [#permalink] New post 25 Dec 2009, 19:27
A – past perfect indicates that municipalities will never be allowed to dump again. Moreover, agreement cannot reduce something that had been (allow end that reduce?)
B and C – never use quantity/time period in forms of adjective
E – awkward structure (passive) – dumping by muni or allowed by muni.

D for me
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Re: Great Lakes [#permalink] New post 25 Dec 2009, 23:05
IMO D

they were still allowed - so, 'had been allowed' is preferably wrong
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Re: Great Lakes [#permalink] New post 29 Dec 2009, 15:49
IMO D. This is an OG question. What is the OA?
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Re: Great Lakes [#permalink] New post 01 Jan 2010, 20:35
IMO D. The agreement (in 1972, the past) reduced the amount the municipalities are allowed to dump from the time of the agreement onward. Therefore, it should be 'are allowed to dump'.

This is an OG question. OA is D.
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