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A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.

(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for dumping by municipalities
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 [#permalink] New post 18 Feb 2006, 16:55
vivek123 wrote:
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vivek123 wrote:
I think it is "A".

IMO, "had" is needed here since it points to "amount that was allowed to dump before 1972".

(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump


how about if Municipalities are still allowed to dump the phosphats that are reduced with the effect of 1972 agreemement between US and canada.


What I want to say is this:
municipalities are allowed to dump phosphates but the amount that had been allowed to dump is reduced.

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Vivek,

Think about it this way.

how can anyone reduce the amount of something that someone else dumped in the lakes in the past?

One can only reduce the amount people are allowed to dump henceforth.

reducing limit of phosphate one was allowed to dump - does nothing

reducing limit of phosphate one is allowed to dump henceforth makes sense

hence D
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 [#permalink] New post 18 Feb 2006, 17:24
the oa is A.

I chose D at first. But here are my two cents

1972 refers to the past. Therefore you can rid B,E.

Lets say hypothetically
the amount NOW allowed is 1 gallon
the agreement was changed to 5 gallons
before 1972, the amount is 10 gallons

Nothing wrong with A, the amount that had been alllowd is 10 gallons
The aggrement reduced that 10 gallons to 5 gallons
We are still talking about the past, I am reading the sentence now, the sentence refers to the past (1972) and that agreement in the past changed something that happend even earlier. Therefore past perfect is correct.

D is wrong because it changes the meaning of the sentence.
It can be interpreted as the 1972 agreement reduced the amount that municipalities are NOW allowed to dump( ie 1 gallon)

I don't no how to explain B. If someone can that would be great
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 [#permalink] New post 18 Feb 2006, 17:39
joemama142000 wrote:
the oa is A.
i think we should follow the following post: http://www.gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... ght=canada

in the above posts it was discussed that this question is from OG, 11th ed (62) and the answer and clearification given were for D. I think we do not go beyond OG's answers and explanations at least for GMAT questions.

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 [#permalink] New post 18 Feb 2006, 17:43
joemama142000 wrote:
the oa is A.

I don't no how to explain B. If someone can that would be great


I think B changes the meaning

reduced the phosphate amount that municipali-
ties
had been dumping
It sounds like municipalities had been dumping amount not the phosphate.

Can someone refute me.
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 [#permalink] New post 18 Feb 2006, 18:56
I'm finding it a bit difficult to convince myself on "D". I'll work out.
Anyway, very good discussion :) Thank you all...


Edited: Got it.

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 [#permalink] New post 18 Feb 2006, 19:57
terrible question, The real OA is D, which i just check from OG. Thanks guys.
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2006, 09:30
A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United
States reduced the amount of phosphates that
municipalities had been allowed to dump into the
Great Lakes.

(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that munici-
palities had been allowed to dump
right
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipali-
ties had been dumping
had been dumping? ....I don't think so
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities
have been allowed to dump

(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that munici-
palities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for
dumping by municipalities
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2006, 12:11
I remember from OG the answer is D ! but only after prof's n old dream's explanation i understood. thnks guys
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 [#permalink] New post 22 Mar 2006, 19:59
but the OA from OG 11th is D (Q 62nd).
"are allowed" is used to describe the present situation....
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 [#permalink] New post 23 Mar 2006, 07:46
miquel wrote:
but the OA from OG 11th is D (Q 62nd).
"are allowed" is used to describe the present situation....



Any comments about this? Is there anything making us consider about present?

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 [#permalink] New post 23 Mar 2006, 08:28
I chose D as well, OG 11 OA is D. The phosphate dumping is a present situation, so the amount munis are allowed to dump was reduced.
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Phosphate dumpig from OG11th [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2006, 01:13
A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.


(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for dumping by municipalities
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 [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2006, 01:18
(D) the agreement holds to this day.
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how do we know that? [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2006, 01:28
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(D) the agreement holds to this day.


How do we know that the agreement holds till now?

Would you explain, plz?
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 [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2006, 01:33
Because the sentence reads:

A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States......

<rather than>

In 1972, an agreement between Canada and the United States......

Hope that clears things up :-D
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Because the sentence reads:

A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States......

<rather than>

In 1972, an agreement between Canada and the United States......

Hope that clears things up :-D


it's clear now. Thanks.
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Re: Thank you [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2006, 02:07
antiant wrote:
GMATT73 wrote:
Because the sentence reads:

A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States......

<rather than>

In 1972, an agreement between Canada and the United States......

Hope that clears things up :-D


it's clear now. Thanks.


Antiant, can you please clarify the math sequence problem for me in the other forum?
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Re: Thank you [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2006, 05:50
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antiant wrote:
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Because the sentence reads:

A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States......

<rather than>

In 1972, an agreement between Canada and the United States......

Hope that clears things up :-D


it's clear now. Thanks.


Antiant, can you please clarify the math sequence problem for me in the other forum?


sorry I don't know which problem you are talking about. would you send me an URL of it?
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 [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2006, 20:14
Agree with Matt, D it is
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 [#permalink] New post 02 Jun 2006, 16:19
so the answer in sc _1000 doc file is wrong?

Can some one please explain this discrepancy.. the answer in sc_1000 says A, I went with D..
and the OG from the sound of it says D..

are there any more discrepancies?
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