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a, b, c, and d are integers; abcd >< 0; what is the value of cd?
1) c/b = 2/d
2) b^3*a^4*c = 27*a^4*c

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brief expl from me
1 - clearly not suff, and we got that cd=2b
2 - clearly not suff, and we got that |b^3|=27 cause what if c negative? so we can't say for sure that b=3 like stated in OA. Am I right?
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a, b, c, and d are integers; abcd >< 0; what is the value of cd?
1) c/b = 2/d
2) b^3*a^4*c = 27*a^4*c

SOLUTION:

statement 1: c/b = 2/d
cd = 2b, we don't know the value of b. so. we can't find the value of cd.
NOT SUFFICIENT

statement 2 : b^3*a^4*c = 27*a^4*c
==> a^4 * c (b^3-27) = 0
it means, a^4 =0 or c =0 or b^3 =27 so, b = 3
so, here we can get different values of cd.
NOT SUFFICIENT

after combining both statement , we can get value of cd = 2b =6

Hence the ans is C.

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PS: EDITED after bunuel explanation
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a, b, c, and d are integers; abcd≠0; what is the value of cd?

(1) c/b = 2/d --> $$cd=2b$$, we don't know the value of $$b$$ to get the single numerical value of $$cd$$. Not sufficient.

(2) b^3*a^4*c = 27*a^4*c --> as $$a$$ and $$c$$ does not equal to zero we can safely reduce both parts by $$a^4*c$$ --> $$b^3=27$$ --> $$b=3$$. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) As from (1) $$cd=2b$$ and from (2) $$b=3$$ then $$cd=2b=6$$. Sufficient.

Answer:C.

As for your question:
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2 - clearly not suff, and we got that |b^3|=27 cause what if c negative? so we can't say for sure that b=3 like stated in OA. Am I right?

Odd roots have the same sign as the base of the root. For example, $$\sqrt[3]{125} =5$$ and $$\sqrt[3]{-64} =-4$$.

So $$\sqrt[3]{27}=3$$ and not $$-3$$ --> $$3^3=27$$ and $$(-3)^3=-27$$.

Hope its' clear.
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16 Jan 2012, 03:33
@bunuel
thanks for explanation. it looks that my mind was somewhere else while solving the question. many times i misses an obvious point , main reason never to the 51 in Quant. i will have to focus more.

anyway, i have edited my explanation.
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thanks for explanation, you should agree very stupid and easy question, I should sleep more not to make such mistakes....
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a, b, c, and d are integers; abcd >< 0; what is the value of cd?

1) c/b = 2/d

c = (2*b)/(d)
not sufficient

2) b^3*a^4*c = 27*a^4*c

b^3 = 27
b = 3

not sufficient.

1 + 2

c = (2*3)/d
c = (6)/d
cd = 6

sufficient.

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Bunuel wrote:
a, b, c, and d are integers; abcd≠0; what is the value of cd?

(1) c/b = 2/d --> $$cd=2b$$, we don't know the value of $$b$$ to get the single numerical value of $$cd$$. Sufficient.
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Bunuel, i think what you meant here is Not Sufficient. Correct?
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Bunuel wrote:
a, b, c, and d are integers; abcd≠0; what is the value of cd?

(1) c/b = 2/d --> $$cd=2b$$, we don't know the value of $$b$$ to get the single numerical value of $$cd$$. Sufficient.

(2) b^3*a^4*c = 27*a^4*c --> as $$a$$ and $$c$$ does not equal to zero we can safely reduce both parts by $$a^4*c$$ --> $$b^3=27$$ --> $$b=3$$. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) As from (1) $$cd=2b$$ and from (2) $$b=3$$ then $$cd=2b=6$$. Not sufficient.

Answer:C.

As for your question:
Runner2 wrote:
2 - clearly not suff, and we got that |b^3|=27 cause what if c negative? so we can't say for sure that b=3 like stated in OA. Am I right?

Odd roots have the same sign as the base of the root. For example, $$\sqrt[3]{125} =5$$ and $$\sqrt[3]{-64} =-4$$.

So $$\sqrt[3]{27}=3$$ and not $$-3$$ --> $$3^3=27$$ and $$(-3)^3=-27$$.

Hope its' clear.

Hi Bunuel,

There is a slight typing error in the explanation.
Statement "(1) c/b = 2/d --> $$cd=2b$$, we don't know the value of $$b$$ to get the single numerical value of $$cd$$. Sufficient."
should read
"(1) c/b = 2/d --> $$cd=2b$$, we don't know the value of $$b$$ to get the single numerical value of $$cd$$. Insufficient."

Correct me if i am wrong.
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Bunuel wrote:
a, b, c, and d are integers; abcd≠0; what is the value of cd?

(1) c/b = 2/d --> $$cd=2b$$, we don't know the value of $$b$$ to get the single numerical value of $$cd$$. Sufficient.

(2) b^3*a^4*c = 27*a^4*c --> as $$a$$ and $$c$$ does not equal to zero we can safely reduce both parts by $$a^4*c$$ --> $$b^3=27$$ --> $$b=3$$. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) As from (1) $$cd=2b$$ and from (2) $$b=3$$ then $$cd=2b=6$$. Not sufficient.

Answer:C.

As for your question:
Runner2 wrote:
2 - clearly not suff, and we got that |b^3|=27 cause what if c negative? so we can't say for sure that b=3 like stated in OA. Am I right?

Odd roots have the same sign as the base of the root. For example, $$\sqrt[3]{125} =5$$ and $$\sqrt[3]{-64} =-4$$.

So $$\sqrt[3]{27}=3$$ and not $$-3$$ --> $$3^3=27$$ and $$(-3)^3=-27$$.

Hope its' clear.

Hi Bunuel,

There is a slight typing error in the explanation.
Statement "(1) c/b = 2/d --> $$cd=2b$$, we don't know the value of $$b$$ to get the single numerical value of $$cd$$. Sufficient."
should read
"(1) c/b = 2/d --> $$cd=2b$$, we don't know the value of $$b$$ to get the single numerical value of $$cd$$. Insufficient."

Correct me if i am wrong.

Thank you. Typo edited.
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Bunuel, I think there is a typo- the option (c) i.e, (1)+(2) is 'sufficient', right?
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Bunuel, I think there is a typo- the option (c) i.e, (1)+(2) is 'sufficient', right?

Right. Edited. Thank you.
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