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A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the 10 members is to be chosen at random to be the president, one of the remaining 9 members is to be chosen at random to be the secretary, and one of the remaining 8 members is to be chosen at random to be the treasurer. What is the probability that Harry will be either the member chosen to be the secretary or the member chosen to be the treasurer?

(A) 1/720
(B) 1/80
(C) 1/10
(D) 1/9
(E) 1/5

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A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the 10 members is to be chosen at random to be the president, one of the remaining 9 members is to be chosen at random to be the secretary, and one of the remaining 8 members is to be chosen at random to be the treasurer. What is the probability that Harry will be either the member chosen to be the secretary or the member chosen to be the treasurer?

(A) 1/720
(B) 1/80
(C) 1/10
(D) 1/9
(E) 1/5

This question is much easier than it appears.

Each member out of 10, including Harry, has equal chances to be selected for any of the positions (the sequence of the selection is given just to confuse us). The probability that Harry will be selected to be the secretary is 1/10 and the probability that Harry will be selected to be the treasurer is also 1/10. So, the probability that Harry will be selected to be either the secretary or the the treasurer is 1/10+1/10=2/10.

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Difficulty level = 650

Probability = (Favorable cases)/(total cases)

Case 1: When Harry is chosen as secretary
probability = 9/10 * 1/9 * 8/8 = 1/10
(9 available for post of president out of 10, then Harry has to be chosen out of 9, and finally out of 8 anyone can be treasurer)

Case 2: When Harry is chosen as treasurer
probability = 9/10 * 8/9 * 1/8 = 1/10
(9 available for post of president out of 10, then out of 8 anyone can be secretary, and finally Harry has to be treasurer)

probability that Harry will be either the member chosen to be the secretary or the member chosen to be the treasurer = 1/10 + 1/10
=1/5

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A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the 10 members is to be chosen at random to be the president, one of the remaining 9 members is to be chosen at random to be the secretary, and one of the remaining 8 members is to be chosen at random to be the treasurer. What is the probability that Harry will be either the member chosen to be the secretary or the member chosen to be the treasurer?

(A) 1/720
(B) 1/80
(C) 1/10
(D) 1/9
(E) 1/5

This question is much easier than it appears.

Each member out of 10, including Harry, has equal chances to be selected for any of the positions (the sequence of the selection is given just to confuse us). The probability that Harry will be selected to be the secretary is 1/10 and the probability that Harry will be selected to be the treasurer is also 1/10. So, the probability that Harry will be selected to be either the secretary or the the treasurer is 1/10+1/10=2/10.

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09 Sep 2012, 17:18
Hey Bunuel,

This the qay I did it:

P(secretary)=P(not Harry)*P(Harry)*P(not Harry)=(9/10)(1/9)(8/8)=1/10
P(treasurer)=P(not Harry)*P(not Harry)*P(Harry)=(9/10)(8/9)(1/8)=1/10
P(secretary OR treasurer)=P(secretary)+P(treasurer)=(1/10)+(1/10)=1/5

But I am confused since:

P(secretary OR treasurer)=P(secretary)+P(treasurer)-P(secretary and treasurer)+ P(Neither secretary nor treasurer)

Now since the two events are mutually exclusive and Harry can neither be both secretary and treasurer, P(secretary and treasurer)=0.

P(Neither secretary nor treasurer)=(9/10)(8/9)(7/8).

What am I doing wrong?
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Hey Bunuel,

This the qay I did it:

P(secretary)=P(not Harry)*P(Harry)*P(not Harry)=(9/10)(1/9)(8/8)=1/10
P(treasurer)=P(not Harry)*P(not Harry)*P(Harry)=(9/10)(8/9)(1/8)=1/10
P(secretary OR treasurer)=P(secretary)+P(treasurer)=(1/10)+(1/10)=1/5

But I am confused since:

P(secretary OR treasurer)=P(secretary)+P(treasurer)-P(secretary and treasurer)+ P(Neither secretary nor treasurer)

Now since the two events are mutually exclusive and Harry can neither be both secretary and treasurer, P(secretary and treasurer)=0.

P(Neither secretary nor treasurer)=(9/10)(8/9)(7/8).

What am I doing wrong?

If you want to do this way then: P(secretary or treasurer)=P(not Harry)*P(Harry)*P(any)+P(not Harry)*P(not Harry)*P(Harry)=9/10*1/9*1+9/10*8/9*1/8=2/10. In the red, you are calculating the probability that Harry will be secretary OR treasurer OR neither and we don't need neither.

Hope it's clear.
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[ 9C2 * ( 3! - 2!) ] / 10C3
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26 Jan 2013, 22:59
sagarsingh wrote:
E.

[ 9C2 * ( 3! - 2!) ] / 10C3
= 1/5

Hi Sagar,
I tried to solve this problem in a similar way, but couldn't get it right. Please explain the significance of (3! - 2!).
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Can you do this with the formula Favorables/Total? Tried but cant get the right result.
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Total options=10*9*8 // since any of the ten members can become President, any one of the nine can become secretary and any one of the remaining eight can become treasurer

Favorable options are the ones which include Harry as Treasurer or the secretary

Now consider the number of options in which harry is chosen as the secretary. Since we know that there is only one option for secretary, that position already has one person fixed. Hence, the president must be chosen out of the remaining nine people and the secretary from the remaining eight.

Hence, ways in which Harry can become secretary are 9*1*8=72

Similarly, ways in which Harry can become treasurer are 9*8*1=72

Since the probability asks for "or" we must add both the favorable outputs=72+72=144

Now, (favorable results/total results) = (144/720)=1/5

Hence the answer is E. Let me know if any other clarifications are required.

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Can you do this with the formula Favorables/Total? Tried but cant get the right result.
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Probability = favourable outcomes / total outcomes

Total outcomes = 10*9*8=720

favourable outcome( secretary) = 9*1*8=72
favourable outcome( treasurer ) = 9*8*1=72

72/720 +72/720 =1/5

We add because of OR in the question.
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A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the 10 members is to be chosen at random to be the president, one of the remaining 9 members is to be chosen at random to be the secretary, and one of the remaining 8 members is to be chosen at random to be the treasurer. What is the probability that Harry will be either the member chosen to be the secretary or the member chosen to be the treasurer?

(A) 1/720
(B) 1/80
(C) 1/10
(D) 1/9
(E) 1/5

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President then Secretary or Treasurer

9/10 * 1/9 * 8/8 = 1/10 (when Harry is the secretary)
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9/10 * 8/9 * 1/8 = 1/10 (when Harry is the treasurer)

So probability = 1/10 + 1/10 = 1/5 (Answer E)
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30 Second approach

Total = 10
President = 1
Secretary = 1
Treasurer = 1

Probability of anything other than president and the left overs = 8/10

Probability of either Secretary or treasurer = $$1-\frac{8}{10}=\frac{1}{5}$$
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Hi Bunnel,

How can we just add 1/10+1/10, when the question clearly states "one of the remaining 9 members is to be chosen at random to be the secretary, and one of the remaining 8 members is to be chosen at random to be the treasurer"

I did it this way

9/10*1/9*8/8 + 9/10*8/9*1/8 = 1/10 + 1/10 = 1/5.

Just trying to understand the logic in your solution.

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Hi Bunnel,

How can we just add 1/10+1/10, when the question clearly states "one of the remaining 9 members is to be chosen at random to be the secretary, and one of the remaining 8 members is to be chosen at random to be the treasurer"

I did it this way

9/10*1/9*8/8 + 9/10*8/9*1/8 = 1/10 + 1/10 = 1/5.

Just trying to understand the logic in your solution.

Cheers,
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Yes, we can that simply add 1/10 and 1/10.

What is the probability that Harry will be either the member chosen to be the secretary or the member chosen to be the treasurer? So, what is the probability that Harry will be either 2nd or 3rd in the row? The probability of each is 1/10, so P = 1/10 + 1/10.

Hope it helps.
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A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the 10 members is to be chosen at random to be the president, one of the remaining 9 members is to be chosen at random to be the secretary, and one of the remaining 8 members is to be chosen at random to be the treasurer. What is the probability that Harry will be either the member chosen to be the secretary or the member chosen to be the treasurer?

(A) 1/720
(B) 1/80
(C) 1/10
(D) 1/9
(E) 1/5

This question is much easier than it appears.

Each member out of 10, including Harry, has equal chances to be selected for any of the positions (the sequence of the selection is given just to confuse us). The probability that Harry will be selected to be the secretary is 1/10 and the probability that Harry will be selected to be the treasurer is also 1/10. So, the probability that Harry will be selected to be either the secretary or the the treasurer is 1/10+1/10=2/10.

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So Bunuel you are saying that events are not defined, I mean to say that we can't assume that First president is selected, then Secretary and then Treasurer. Because if the events are imposed then the total number of available person will decrease in each event, because it is nowhere mentioned that one person can hold more than position. Please reply so that I can get rid of my doubts. Thanks!
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Bunuel wrote:
SOLUTION

A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the 10 members is to be chosen at random to be the president, one of the remaining 9 members is to be chosen at random to be the secretary, and one of the remaining 8 members is to be chosen at random to be the treasurer. What is the probability that Harry will be either the member chosen to be the secretary or the member chosen to be the treasurer?

(A) 1/720
(B) 1/80
(C) 1/10
(D) 1/9
(E) 1/5

This question is much easier than it appears.

Each member out of 10, including Harry, has equal chances to be selected for any of the positions (the sequence of the selection is given just to confuse us). The probability that Harry will be selected to be the secretary is 1/10 and the probability that Harry will be selected to be the treasurer is also 1/10. So, the probability that Harry will be selected to be either the secretary or the the treasurer is 1/10+1/10=2/10.

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So Bunuel you are saying that events are not defined, I mean to say that we can't assume that First president is selected, then Secretary and then Treasurer. Because if the events are imposed then the total number of available person will decrease in each event, because it is nowhere mentioned that one person can hold more than position. Please reply so that I can get rid of my doubts. Thanks!

No. The sequence is the way it's given. But it does not matter, whether we select president first and secretary second or vise-versa.
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It wants to know the probability that Harry is Secretary or treasurer, so we should add the probability that he will be chosen secretary to the probability that he will be chosen treasurer.

The Probability that he is chosen secretary is
9/10*1/9*8/8=1/10

The 9/10 represents the probability that anyone but harry is president
The 1/9 represents the probability that harry is secretary
The 8/8 represents the fact that anyone can be treasurer, so it really does not affect the probability at all

The probability that he is chosen treasurer is
9/10*8/9*1/8=1/10

The 9/10 represents the probability that anyone but harry is president
The 1/9 represents the probability anyone but harry is secretary
The 1/8 represents the probability that harry is treasurer

Add the two together and you get 1/5 (E)
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I didn't see this way posted so figured I would add it here, this way was fastest for me...

P(H is secretary or treasurer)= 1- [P(H is pres)+P(H not chosen for a role at all)]
=1- [1/10 + 7/10]
=1-[8/10] = 2/10=1/5
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For an easy way to look at it and not be confused with how the probability can be 1/10 in each instance, think of it this way:

The question is asking the probability of either one or the other happening.

You have to find the probability that Harry will either be chosen as Secretary or treasurer.

Case 1 (Prob of Harry being chosen as Secretary)= Probability that anyone except Harry will be Selected as President (9/10) * Probability that Harry will be chosen as Secretary (1/9) * Probability that any of the others will be selected as treasurer (8/8)

Which is = 9/10 * 1/9 * 8/8 = 1/10

Case 2 (Probability that Harry will be selected as Treasurer) = Probability that anyone except Harry will be chosen as president (9/10) * Probability that anyone except Harry will be chosen as Secretary (8/9) * Probability that Harry will be chosen as Treasurer (8/8)

= 9/10 * 8/9 * 1/8 = 1/10

Now to find the answer, add the two probabilities (as we do in either or cases) to find the probability that Harry will either be chosen Secretary or Treasurer = 1/10 + 1/10 = 2/10 = 1/5

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