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A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the 10 members is to be chosen at random to be the president, one of the remaining 9 members is to be chosen at random to be the secretary, and one of the remaining 8 members is to be chosen at random to be the treasurer. What is the probability that Harry will be either the member chosen to be the secretary or the member chosen to be the treasurer?

(A) 1/720
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(D) 1/9
(E) 1/5

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A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the 10 members is to be chosen at random to be the president, one of the remaining 9 members is to be chosen at random to be the secretary, and one of the remaining 8 members is to be chosen at random to be the treasurer. What is the probability that Harry will be either the member chosen to be the secretary or the member chosen to be the treasurer?

(A) 1/720
(B) 1/80
(C) 1/10
(D) 1/9
(E) 1/5

This question is much easier than it appears.

Each member out of 10, including Harry, has equal chances to be selected for any of the positions (the sequence of the selection is given just to confuse us). The probability that Harry will be selected to be the secretary is 1/10 and the probability that Harry will be selected to be the treasurer is also 1/10. So, the probability that Harry will be selected to be either the secretary or the the treasurer is 1/10+1/10=2/10.

Answer: E.

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Difficulty level = 650

Probability = (Favorable cases)/(total cases)

Case 1: When Harry is chosen as secretary
probability = 9/10 * 1/9 * 8/8 = 1/10
(9 available for post of president out of 10, then Harry has to be chosen out of 9, and finally out of 8 anyone can be treasurer)

Case 2: When Harry is chosen as treasurer
probability = 9/10 * 8/9 * 1/8 = 1/10
(9 available for post of president out of 10, then out of 8 anyone can be secretary, and finally Harry has to be treasurer)

probability that Harry will be either the member chosen to be the secretary or the member chosen to be the treasurer = 1/10 + 1/10
=1/5

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A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the 10 members is to be chosen at random to be the president, one of the remaining 9 members is to be chosen at random to be the secretary, and one of the remaining 8 members is to be chosen at random to be the treasurer. What is the probability that Harry will be either the member chosen to be the secretary or the member chosen to be the treasurer?

(A) 1/720
(B) 1/80
(C) 1/10
(D) 1/9
(E) 1/5

This question is much easier than it appears.

Each member out of 10, including Harry, has equal chances to be selected for any of the positions (the sequence of the selection is given just to confuse us). The probability that Harry will be selected to be the secretary is 1/10 and the probability that Harry will be selected to be the treasurer is also 1/10. So, the probability that Harry will be selected to be either the secretary or the the treasurer is 1/10+1/10=2/10.

Answer: E.

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Re: A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2012, 16:18
Hey Bunuel,

This the qay I did it:

P(secretary)=P(not Harry)*P(Harry)*P(not Harry)=(9/10)(1/9)(8/8)=1/10
P(treasurer)=P(not Harry)*P(not Harry)*P(Harry)=(9/10)(8/9)(1/8)=1/10
P(secretary OR treasurer)=P(secretary)+P(treasurer)=(1/10)+(1/10)=1/5

But I am confused since:

P(secretary OR treasurer)=P(secretary)+P(treasurer)-P(secretary and treasurer)+ P(Neither secretary nor treasurer)

Now since the two events are mutually exclusive and Harry can neither be both secretary and treasurer, P(secretary and treasurer)=0.

P(Neither secretary nor treasurer)=(9/10)(8/9)(7/8).

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Hey Bunuel,

This the qay I did it:

P(secretary)=P(not Harry)*P(Harry)*P(not Harry)=(9/10)(1/9)(8/8)=1/10
P(treasurer)=P(not Harry)*P(not Harry)*P(Harry)=(9/10)(8/9)(1/8)=1/10
P(secretary OR treasurer)=P(secretary)+P(treasurer)=(1/10)+(1/10)=1/5

But I am confused since:

P(secretary OR treasurer)=P(secretary)+P(treasurer)-P(secretary and treasurer)+ P(Neither secretary nor treasurer)

Now since the two events are mutually exclusive and Harry can neither be both secretary and treasurer, P(secretary and treasurer)=0.

P(Neither secretary nor treasurer)=(9/10)(8/9)(7/8).

What am I doing wrong?


If you want to do this way then: P(secretary or treasurer)=P(not Harry)*P(Harry)*P(any)+P(not Harry)*P(not Harry)*P(Harry)=9/10*1/9*1+9/10*8/9*1/8=2/10. In the red, you are calculating the probability that Harry will be secretary OR treasurer OR neither and we don't need neither.

Hope it's clear.
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Re: A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the [#permalink] New post 26 Jan 2013, 21:59
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E.

[ 9C2 * ( 3! - 2!) ] / 10C3
= 1/5


Hi Sagar,
I tried to solve this problem in a similar way, but couldn't get it right. Please explain the significance of (3! - 2!).
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Re: A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the [#permalink] New post 12 Feb 2013, 02:02
Can you do this with the formula Favorables/Total? Tried but cant get the right result.
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Total options=10*9*8 // since any of the ten members can become President, any one of the nine can become secretary and any one of the remaining eight can become treasurer

Favorable options are the ones which include Harry as Treasurer or the secretary

Now consider the number of options in which harry is chosen as the secretary. Since we know that there is only one option for secretary, that position already has one person fixed. Hence, the president must be chosen out of the remaining nine people and the secretary from the remaining eight.

Hence, ways in which Harry can become secretary are 9*1*8=72

Similarly, ways in which Harry can become treasurer are 9*8*1=72

Since the probability asks for "or" we must add both the favorable outputs=72+72=144

Now, (favorable results/total results) = (144/720)=1/5

Hence the answer is E. Let me know if any other clarifications are required.

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Re: A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the [#permalink] New post 18 Aug 2013, 04:25
Probability = favourable outcomes / total outcomes

Total outcomes = 10*9*8=720

favourable outcome( secretary) = 9*1*8=72
favourable outcome( treasurer ) = 9*8*1=72

72/720 +72/720 =1/5

We add because of OR in the question.
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Re: A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the [#permalink] New post 18 Aug 2013, 12:59
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A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the 10 members is to be chosen at random to be the president, one of the remaining 9 members is to be chosen at random to be the secretary, and one of the remaining 8 members is to be chosen at random to be the treasurer. What is the probability that Harry will be either the member chosen to be the secretary or the member chosen to be the treasurer?

(A) 1/720
(B) 1/80
(C) 1/10
(D) 1/9
(E) 1/5

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President then Secretary or Treasurer

9/10 * 1/9 * 8/8 = 1/10 (when Harry is the secretary)
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9/10 * 8/9 * 1/8 = 1/10 (when Harry is the treasurer)

So probability = 1/10 + 1/10 = 1/5 (Answer E)
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Re: A certain club has 10 members, including Harry. One of the [#permalink] New post 21 Jun 2014, 00:53
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Total = 10
President = 1
Secretary = 1
Treasurer = 1

Probability of anything other than president and the left overs = 8/10

Probability of either Secretary or treasurer = 1-\frac{8}{10}=\frac{1}{5}
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