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Stuck between B and D can someone explain! Thanks in advance


A certain mayor has proposed a fee of five dollars per day on private vehicles entering the city, claiming that the fee will alleviate the city's traffic congestion.
The next part states the reason why the major proposed such fee.
The mayor reasons that, since the fee will exceed the cost of round-trip bus fare from many nearby points, many people will switch from using their cars to using the bus.

Which of the following statements, if true, provides the best evidence that the mayor's reasoning is flawed?

b) The cost of parking fees already makes it considerable more expensive for most people to take a private vehicle into the city than to take a bus.
The major says the the plan will be successful because the new costs will exceed "the cost of round-trip bus fare", B states that the cost of taking a bus is already LOWER than driving a private car; so its reasoning "the plan will be successful because will make the alternative (the bus) cheaper" is flawed.

d) Many commuters opposing the mayor's plan have indicated that they would rather endure traffic congestion than pay a five dollar per day fee.
Even if this is true, the reasoning of the major is legit. The question asks for the best evidence that the mayor's reasoning is flawed, so the correct answer will address a point of his argument. Given his argument : "the plan will be successful because will make the alternative (the bus) cheaper"; and D : "Many commuters would rather endure traffic congestion" I cannot say that his reasoning is flawed. I can say maybe that the plan will not be very successful (as some commuters will use cars) , but his reasoning still sounds good to me.
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A certain mayor has proposed a fee of five dollars per day on private vehicles entering the city, claiming that the fee will alleviate the city's traffic congestion. The mayor reasons that, since the fee will exceed the cost of round-trip bus fare from many nearby points, many people will switch from using their cars to using the bus.

Which of the following statements, if true, provides the best evidence that the mayor's reasoning is flawed?
a) Projected increases in the price of gasoline will increase the cost of taking private vehicle into the city.
b) The cost of parking fees already makes it considerable more expensive for most people to take a private vehicle into the city than to take a bus.
c) Most of the people currently riding the bus do not own private vehicles.
d) Many commuters opposing the mayor's plan have indicated that they would rather endure traffic congestion than pay a five dollar per day fee.
e) During the average workday, private vehicles owned and operated by people living within the city account for twenty percent of the city's traffic congestion.


The answer is cleary B as the mayor predicts to solve traffic congestion problem via implementing a fee on city enterance, yet the money or cost will not make any sense to car owners because the parking fees are already high making car expense more expensive than bus fares.
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The reason why i thought B was the right answer was : If high parking fees hasn't been able to change people's mind to switch to bus then another 5 dollars is not gonna make them do so ..

This was the reason i choose B .. and B is the right answer. However i m not too sure if my reasoning is correct.
This is a Gmat prep Q and therefore there is o explanation given there :(
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I totally fell on the trap on this one so here is my retrospective analysis.

The key was recognizing that it is a CAUSE and EFFECT relationship. The mayor's plan is the increasing tax will result in decreased city traffic congestion.

A) Gasoline prices make it expensive to take the private vehicle into the city. However, this almost strengthens the argument as it will help if less people will go AND there is a fee as well.
B) I totally missed out on this at first because I did not understand WHY a discussion of parking fee would be relevant. However, again with the cause and effect questions, we should be on the look out for alternative reasons for the effect or other causes of the effect. This choice states that the cost of parking is already more expensive than bus costs and people are still going into the city. As a result, adding the fee would not have any impact.

C) this is not relevant because the conculsion is concerned about the people driving into the city
D) this seemed like a good choice at first but on further analysis realized that this is not really relevant. If MANY people are saying that they would rather endure the traffic, then there are still SOME people are not saying this. The mayor's plan would not have to include ALL people. The arugment just says "many people will switch to buses."
E) this is not relevant because the conculsion is concerned about the people driving into the city, not the ones living in the city.
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We are looking for the flaw in the reasoning. This argument is the plan format in which a person introduces a plan as a solution to a problem. The assumption in these types of arguments is that the plan will work without creating new difficulties. Therefore to find the flaw, we are looking for an answer choice that gives a reason why the plan won't work. In this case the plan is the increase fees beyond the cost of a bus trip to encourage commuters to use the bus.
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A certain mayor has proposed a fee of five dollars per day on private vehicles entering the city, claiming that the fee will alleviate the city's traffic congestion. The mayor reasons that, since the fee will exceed the cost of round-trip bus fare from many nearby points, many people will switch from using their cars to using the bus.

Which of the following statements, if true, provides the best evidence that the mayor's reasoning is flawed?
a) Projected increases in the price of gasoline will increase the cost of taking private vehicle into the city.Increasing the cost further may show that the plan is more likely to work so this is not the flaw
b) The cost of parking fees already makes it considerable more expensive for most people to take a private vehicle into the city than to take a bus.if it is already more expensive to drive than to ride the bus then it is likely the plan will not work - the flaw is assuming that people will choose to drive or take the bus based solely on a cost comparison. This answer shows that this is already not the case
c) Most of the people currently riding the bus do not own private vehicles.information about people currently riding the bus is not useful in an argument about people who do not currently ride the bus - the argument does not address current ridership
d) Many [color=#ff0000]commuters opposing the mayor's plan[/color] have indicated that they would rather endure traffic congestion than pay a five dollar per day fee.This answer only deals with the commuters opposing the plan - the argument addresses all commuters
e) During the average workday, private vehicles owned and operated by people living within the city account for twenty percent of the city's traffic congestion. people living within the city cannot be the flaw in the argument because the argument is about people living outside the city
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A certain mayor has proposed a fee of five dollars per day on private vehicles entering the city, claiming that the fee will alleviate the city's traffic congestion. The mayor reasons that, since the fee will exceed the cost of round-trip bus fare from many nearby points, many people will switch from using their cars to using the bus.

Which of the following statements, if true, provides the best evidence that the mayor's reasoning is flawed?
a) Projected increases in the price of gasoline will increase the cost of taking private vehicle into the city.
it strengthens the mayor's argument that the increasing cost of taking private vehicle will exceed the cost of round trip bus fare

b) The cost of parking fees already makes it considerable more expensive for most people to take a private vehicle into the city than to take a bus.
Correct. It proves that the mayor's argument is flaw. The cost of taking private vehicle into the city has already exceeded the cost of round trip bus fare, but city's traffic congestion issue has not been solved

c) Most of the people currently riding the bus do not own private vehicles.
it does not help to answer if the cost of taking private car into the city increase, the car's owner will switch to use bus

d) Many commuters opposing the mayor's plan have indicated that they would rather endure traffic congestion than pay a five dollar per day fee.
its not relevant to answer if having to pay 5 dollar per day fee will prevent the private car owners from driving car into the city

e) During the average workday, private vehicles owned and operated by people living within the city account for twenty percent of the city's traffic congestion.
it helps to prove that the mayor's argument is not strong, as the city's traffic congestion issue is partly not due to the private car from outside of the city
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Stuck between B and D can someone explain! Thanks in advance


conclusion:
people will switch from using their cars to using the bus.

premise:
the fee will exceed the cost of round-trip bus fare from many nearby points

b) The cost of parking fees already makes it considerable more expensive for most people to take a private vehicle into the city than to take a bus.
according to this ....current scenario is that PARKING FEES is more expensive than bus fare cost==>still people are choosing to go by private vehicles...in short EXTRA COST will not affect.
hence this clearly weakens the conclusion.

option D:
Many commuters opposing the mayor's plan have indicated that they would rather endure traffic congestion than pay a five
dollar per day fee.
IN THIS option it talks about only those commuters who are opposing the mayors plan==>so this will not weaken anyhow..as this is not considering the complete scenario.

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fozzzy wrote:
Stuck between B and D can someone explain! Thanks in advance


I think the explanations above by Zarrolou and blueseas explain why D is incorrect.

I just wanted to add one more thing.

If the author is concluding that X will lead to Y. You can point out a flaw only by saying that X may/will not lead to Y.

You cannot say that the author's reasoning is flawed because you do not even want Y or it is quite difficult to achieve X. You have to directly attack what he is saying.

The Mayor's claim is:

the fee will alleviate the city's traffic congestion. {X (the fee) will lead to Y (less traffic congestion)}

Option D says
Many commuters opposing the mayor's plan have indicated that they would rather endure traffic congestion than pay a five dollar per day fee {We don't prefer Y over X}

Even if option D said that
Everyone has indicated that they would rather endure traffic congestion than pay a five dollar per day fee

In this case, option D will be wrong. The mayor has not considered people's preferences but his "reasoning" to achieve a certain objective (less congestion) is still fine.

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fozzzy wrote:
Stuck between B and D can someone explain! Thanks in advance


I think the explanations above by Zarrolou and blueseas explain why D is incorrect.

I just wanted to add one more thing.

If the author is concluding that X will lead to Y. You can point out a flaw only by saying that X may/will not lead to Y.

You cannot say that the author's reasoning is flawed because you do not even want Y or it is quite difficult to achieve X. You have to directly attack what he is saying.

The Mayor's claim is:

the fee will alleviate the city's traffic congestion. {X (the fee) will lead to Y (less traffic congestion)}

Option D says
Many commuters opposing the mayor's plan have indicated that they would rather endure traffic congestion than pay a five dollar per day fee {We don't prefer Y over X}

Even if option D said that
Everyone has indicated that they would rather endure traffic congestion than pay a five dollar per day fee

In this case, option D will be wrong. The mayor has not considered people's preferences but his "reasoning" to achieve a certain objective (less congestion) is still fine.

Thanks,
Chiranjeev


Chiranjeev I am little confused post your explanation...Though i know that the answer is very much B , the only reason i discarded D is because of the quantifying word "MANY"...Dont we need to consider the feasibility of the application of a reasoning to point whether its flawed or not ... Even in option B we are very much considering the success of the plan to determine whether the mayor's reasoning will result in a successful application or not...to find a flaw in this reasoning the only way it can be done is by evaluating its practical application..In option D as it says "Many commuters opposing the mayor's plan have indicated that they would rather endure traffic congestion than pay a five dollar per day fee"...So even if those opposing actually dont take bus and endure traffic congestion , still we will be left with MANY or SOME commuters who can fall prey to Mayor's reasoning ..So obviously it is not pointing out the flaw in Mayor's reasoning .....
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A certain mayor has proposed a fee of fi ve dollars per
day on private vehicles entering the city, claiming
that the fee will alleviate the city’s traffi c congestion.
The mayor reasons that, since the fee will exceed the
cost of round-trip bus fare from many nearby points,
many people will switch from using their cars to using
the bus.
Which of the following statements, if true, provides the
best evidence that the mayor’s reasoning is fl awed?
(A) Projected increases in the price of gasoline will
increase the cost of taking a private vehicle into
the city.
(B) The cost of parking fees already makes it
considerably more expensive for most people
to take a private vehicle into the city than to take
a bus.
(C) Most of the people currently riding the bus do
not own private vehicles.
(D) Many commuters opposing the mayor’s plan have
indicated that they would rather endure traffi c
congestion than pay a fi ve-dollar-per-day fee.
(E) During the average workday, private vehicles
owned and operated by people living within the
city account for 20 percent of the city’s traffi c
congestion.


I will try to explain my stream of thoughts, should you find something wrong, please correct me!!!
Conclusion: the fee will alleviate the city’s traffic congestion
Premises: the fee will exceed the
cost of round-trip bus fare from many nearby points,
many people will switch from using their cars to using
the bus.
Assumption: people will switch from car to bus for economical reason, i.e. people select their means of transport on the basis of the cost they face in each choice

A) This actually strengthen the conclusion . Therefore S
B) This undermines the faulty assumption for the conclusion: . Since a private vehicle is
already more expensive than a bus in the city and nonetheless people continue to use private cars and increase traffic, cost is not the main driver in people's choice about mobility in the city, therefore W
C) The conclusion is not about people already using buses, but about people using private vehicle. So Irrelevant on the conclusion I
D) The answer is about people opposing to the major, but it is not related and has no effect on the conclusion which is about the effectiveness of the fee in reducing traffic congestion into the city. Therefore Irrelevant I
E) This answer is very tempting since it brings along piece of evidence about private vehicles and it mimics the language in the conclusion, but ultimately it is about private vehicles operated by people living in the city, therefore it doesn't tell us something about the effect of the fee, which will be for people entering the city.

So answer is B
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A certain mayor has proposed a fee of five dollars per day on private vehicles entering the city, claiming that the fee will alleviate the city’s traffic congestion. The mayor reasons that, since the fee will exceed the cost of round-trip bus fare from many nearby points, many people will switch from using their cars to using the bus.
Which of the following statements, if true, provides the best evidence that the mayor’s reasoning is flawed?
(A) Projected increases in the price of gasoline will increase the cost of taking a private vehicle into the city.
(B) The cost of parking fees already makes it considerably more expensive for most people to take a private vehicle into the city than to take a bus.
(C) Most of the people currently riding the bus do not own private vehicles.
(D) Many commuters opposing the mayor’s plan have indicated that they would rather endure traffic congestion than pay a five-dollar-per day fee.
(E) During the average workday, private vehicles owned and operated by people living within the city account for twenty percent of the city’s traffic congestion.


In the interest of fleshing out the reasoning a bit here, you can indeed simplify the argument as follows:

(P1) If driving a car costs more than taking the bus --> many people will switch from cars to buses
(P2) The proposed fee will make the cost of driving a car higher than busing.
(C) Therefore, the fee will lead people to switch from cars to buses.

Now, consider the answer choices with respect to the argument.
(A) Gas prices are irrelevant. They may make the fee superfluous, but they do not really undermine the reasoning that the fee would have its intended effect.
(B) If it's already considerably more expensive to drive a car into the city, we have reason to doubt premise 1.
(C) Current bus riders are irrelevant. We're concerned about switching.
(D) Opinions about the fee do not affect whether or not it would have the intended effect.
(E) This fact has nothing to do with costs, so we can ignore it.

So, the answer that provides the best evidence the original argument is flawed is .
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Is it ok to think that I need to negate the conclusion for such Q types?

I need to come up with an answer choice that says: Many people will not switch from cars to bus because the cost of fare to travel nearby places in more in cars than bus.

B brings in an imp new factor: cost of parking. But (B) is is present tense and my conclusion is about future? Does not this nullify any impact on conclusion?

Why can not people preference in (D) replace parking in (B) to weaken the conclusion?
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Is it ok to think that I need to negate the conclusion for such Q types?

I need to come up with an answer choice that says: Many people will not switch from cars to bus because the cost of fare to travel nearby places in more in cars than bus.

B brings in an imp new factor: cost of parking. But (B) is is present tense and my conclusion is about future? Does not this nullify any impact on conclusion?

Why can not people preference in (D) replace parking in (B) to weaken the conclusion?

adkikani, when weakening an argument, you do not necessarily need to negate the conclusion. As long as the answer choice attacks the author's reasoning or evidence, then it weakens the author's argument.

For example, in this passage, the mayor's belief is based on costs: the fee will exceed the cost of round-trip bus far, so many people will switch from using cars to using the bus. We do not need to prove that the mayor is wrong. Instead, we simply need an answer choice that weakens the mayor's argument.

As for (D), this suggests that many commuters do not LIKE the plan. But regardless of their preferences, will the plan succeed in making many people switch from cars to buses?

See if that helps. If not, this question will be used as a QOTD next week, so stay tuned for further discussion!
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(B) The cost of parking fees already makes it considerable more expensive for most people to take a private vehicle into the city than to take a bus.

while this works as a weakener by one line of reasoning...it can also work as something that supports the mayor's reasoning...
if people are already paying so much for parking, they might be reluctant to pay more in the form of an entry fee

what do you think?
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(B) The cost of parking fees already makes it considerable more expensive for most people to take a private vehicle into the city than to take a bus.

while this works as a weakener by one line of reasoning...it can also work as something that supports the mayor's reasoning...
if people are already paying so much for parking, they might be reluctant to pay more in the form of an entry fee

what do you think?

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(B) The cost of parking fees already makes it considerable more expensive for most people to take a private vehicle into the city than to take a bus.

(B) does not suggest that people are "already paying so much for parking." Rather, (B) suggests that, because of high parking fees, people already take the bus instead of driving.

Adding an additional fee will probably cause some people to switch to the bus, but if taking a private vehicle is already the "considerably-more-expensive" option, adding a $5 fee shouldn't really change things too much.
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Stimulus:- The mayor reasons that fee will make taking private vehicles "expensive"

Correct Option B:- taking private vehicles is already "expensive" for most people.

Since it is already "expensive" to take out private vehicles what is the gaurantee that increased fee will result in many people switching to bus. Maybe there are other reasons due to which commuters prefer private vehicles regardless of quantum of fees.
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