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Re: A certain square is to be drawn on a coordinate plane. One [#permalink] New post 27 Mar 2013, 22:06
Perimeter of a circle of radius 10 centered at the origin will coincide with 12 points where where both the x and y values are integers. (10, 0); (8, 6); (6, 8); (0, 10); (-8, 6), (-6, 8); (-10, 0); (-8, -6); (-6, -8); (0, -10); (8, -6); (6, -8)

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Re: A certain square is to be drawn on a coordinate plane. One [#permalink] New post 28 Mar 2013, 02:04
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A certain square is to be drawn on a coordinate plane. One of the vertices must be on the origin, and the square is to have an area of 100. If all coordinates of the vertices must be integers, how many different ways can this square be drawn?
(A)4
(B)6
(C)8
(D)10
(E)12
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Re: A certain square is to be drawn on a coordinate plane [#permalink] New post 28 Mar 2013, 03:30
I am not understanding how the answer is E .I thought the the answer is A. how 8,6 occurs.........need help.Finding this math difficult for me
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Re: A certain square is to be drawn on a coordinate plane [#permalink] New post 28 Apr 2013, 08:55
A certain square is to be drawn on a coordinate plane. One of the vertices must be on the origin, and the square is to have an area of 100. If all coordinates of the vertices must be integers, how many different ways can this square be drawn?

Doesn't one of the vertices must be on the origin mean one vertices of the square has always to be (0,0) hence only 4 possibilities ???
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Re: A certain square is to be drawn on a coordinate plane [#permalink] New post 28 Apr 2013, 09:39
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Since area of the square is 100, each side = 10
One of the vertices of the square = (0,0)
Let the co-ordinates of another vertex of the square be (x,y)
Using the formula d^2 = x^2 + y^2 (d = Distance from the origin to any point in the co-ordinate)
So, 100 = x^2 + y^2
As the vertices, must be integers, solve for different values for x and y
When x = 0, y = 10
Also, x = 0, y = -10
x=10, y = 0
x = -10, y = 0
Also x = 6 , y = 8 (as 100 = 6^2+8^2)
x = 6, y = -8
x = -6, y= 8
x = -6, y = -8
Similarly, x = 8, y = 6
x = 8, y = -6
x = -8, y = 6
x = -8, y = -6

that is 12 possible values
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Re: A certain square is to be drawn on a coordinate plane [#permalink] New post 28 Apr 2013, 19:50
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Since area of the square is 100, each side = 10
One of the vertices of the square = (0,0)
Let the co-ordinates of another vertex of the square be (x,y)
Using the formula d^2 = x^2 + y^2 (d = Distance from the origin to any point in the co-ordinate)
So, 100 = x^2 + y^2
As the vertices, must be integers, solve for different values for x and y
When x = 0, y = 10
Also, x = 0, y = -10
x=10, y = 0
x = -10, y = 0
Also x = 6 , y = 8 (as 100 = 6^2+8^2)
x = 6, y = -8
x = -6, y= 8
x = -6, y = -8
Similarly, x = 8, y = 6
x = 8, y = -6
x = -8, y = 6
x = -8, y = -6

that is 12 possible values


This diagram posted earlier in the forum explains everything
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Re: A certain square is to be drawn on a coordinate plane [#permalink] New post 29 Dec 2013, 01:16
Got this question wrong on the mgmat cat also.

What I still don't understand how you confirm that a square that has a hypotenuse as an edge running from 0,0 to 6,8, would also have vertices at integer co-ordinates 8,6, and 14,2 and not fractional co-ordinates. How do you reach that conclusion?
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Re: A certain square is to be drawn on a coordinate plane [#permalink] New post 10 Jan 2014, 06:40
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A certain square is to be drawn on a coordinate plane. One of the vertices must be on the origin, and the square is to have an area of 100. If all coordinates of the vertices must be integers, how many different ways can this square be drawn?

(A) 4
(B) 6
(C) 8
(D) 10
(E) 12


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I'll post the official explanation, but it doesn't make sense to me :)

Each side of the square must have a length of 10. If each side were to be 6, 7, 8, or most other numbers, there could only be four possible squares drawn, because each side, in order to have integer coordinates, would have to be drawn on the x- or y-axis. What makes a length of 10 different is that it could be the hypotenuse of a Pythagorean triple, meaning the vertices could have integer coordinates without lying on the x- or y-axis.

For example, a square could be drawn with the coordinates (0,0), (6,8), (-2, 14) and (-8, 6). (It is tedious and unnecessary to figure out all four coordinates for each square).

If we label the square abcd, with a at the origin and the letters representing points in a clockwise direction, we can get the number of possible squares by figuring out the number of unique ways ab can be drawn.

a has coordinates (0,0) and b could have the following coordinates, as shown in the picture:


(-10,0)
(-8,6)
(-6,8)
(0,10)
(6,8)
(8,6)
(10,0)
(8, -6)
(6, -8)
(0, 10)
(-6, -8)
(-8, -6)

There are 12 different ways to draw ab, and so there are 12 ways to draw abcd.

The correct answer is E.


Think of this as a circle with radius 10 ok?

10 will be the hypothenuse of the triangle.

Now x^2 + y^2 = 100 since it is based in the origin as per the question.

Now since x and y must be integers we only have 2 sets of numbers that satisfy this

0 and 10 obviously and 6 and 8 (Think of pythagorean triples 3-4-5 only doubled)

Now, since we have 4 quadrants we are going to have a bunch of different combinations between (x,y) order and signs but shouldn't be too hard

10 and 0, since 0 does not have a sign then we have 0,10, 10,0, -10,0 and 0,-10 easy to count them out total of 4

Then, since 6 and 8 will have positive and negative signs then its better to use a combinatorics approach instead of counting

Two slots _ _

We have 2 options for the first (6 and 8), 1 option for the first (either 6 or 8). And then for each of them we have 2 possible signs (+ or -)

Then (2)(2)*(2)(1) = 2^3 = 8

Now add em up 8 + 4 = 12

E is the correct answer

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Re: MGMAT How many squares? [#permalink] New post 10 May 2014, 12:11
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jpr200012 wrote:
A certain square is to be drawn on a coordinate plane. One of the vertices must be on the origin, and the square is to have an area of 100. If all coordinates of the vertices must be integers, how many different ways can this square be drawn?

(A) 4
(B) 6
(C) 8
(D) 10
(E) 12


This question becomes much easier if you visualize/draw it.

Let the origin be O and one of the vertices be A. Now, we are told that length of OA must be 10 (area to be 100). So if the coordinates of A is (x, y) then we would have x^2+y^2=100 (distance from the origin to the point A(x, y) can be found by the formula d^2=x^2+y^2)

Now, x^2+y^2=100 has several integer solutions for x and y, so several positions of vertex A, note that when vertex A has integer coordinates other vertices also have integer coordinates. For example imagine the case when square rests on X-axis to the right of Y-axis, then the vertices are: A(10,0), (10,10), (0,10) and (0,0).

Also you can notice that 100=6^2+8^2 and 100=0^2+10^2, so x can tale 7 values: -10, -8, -6, 0, 6, 8, 10. For x=-10 and x=10, y can take only 1 value 0, but for other values of x, y can take two values positive or negative. For example: when x=6 then y=8 or y=-8. This gives us 1+1+5*2=12 coordinates of point A:

x=10 and y=0, imagine this one to be the square which rests on X-axis and to get the other options rotate OA anticlockwise to get all possible cases;
x=8 and y=6;
x=6 and y=8;
x=0 and y=10;
x=-6 and y=8;
x=-8 and y=6;
x=-10 and y=0;
x=-8 and y=-6;
x=-6 and y=-8;
x=0 and y=-10;
x=6 and y=-8;
x=8 and y=-6.

Answer: E.


Hi Bunuel,

How did you come up with 8 & 6 being the viable options? I can obviously see it once you point it out but how did you come up with that in the first place?

Additionally, if the square had an area of 50 and we still had to maintain integer lengths, then our answer would be 4, correct?
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Re: MGMAT How many squares? [#permalink] New post 11 May 2014, 20:56
Bunuel wrote:
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hey Bunuel Thanx,but can u please come out with a Image,only 2 or 3 coordinate value drawn in it....i am sooooo confused....


All 12 squares.

Image posted on our forum by GMATGuruNY:
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square.PNG


Bunuel I have a doubt in the figure. The question says that one of the vertices must be origin but in the figure it shows the centre of the square at origin. Isn't this a fallacy ?

In other words one of the vertex of the circle will always have to be (0,0) . Now rotating along this point and considering any one quadrant at a time , we can say distance of any adjacent vertex ( x,y) must be 10 units.

So x^2 + y^2 = 100. Given the constraint of co-ordinates being integers , we see that 8,6 and 6,8 satisfy this . So considering quadrant one only two vertex are possible i.e. (6,8) and (8,6) . Thus 2 squares are possible in quad 1. For four quadrants the possibilities are 4* 2 = 8. Now squares can be also be formed along the x-y axis . They would be 4 in number i.e. 1 in each quadrant with two adjacents sides as x/y axis.

This makes the total as 8+4 = 12.

So although the same answer is coming but the figure in question is confusing.

Is this the correct approach ?

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Re: MGMAT How many squares? [#permalink] New post 11 May 2014, 21:05
Bunuel wrote:
sandeep800 wrote:
hey Bunuel Thanx,but can u please come out with a Image,only 2 or 3 coordinate value drawn in it....i am sooooo confused....


All 12 squares.

Image posted on our forum by GMATGuruNY:
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The figure seems to indicate that the area is 20*20 = 400 sq units.
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Re: MGMAT How many squares? [#permalink] New post 12 May 2014, 02:18
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Bunuel wrote:
sandeep800 wrote:
hey Bunuel Thanx,but can u please come out with a Image,only 2 or 3 coordinate value drawn in it....i am sooooo confused....


All 12 squares.

Image posted on our forum by GMATGuruNY:
Attachment:
square.PNG


The figure seems to indicate that the area is 20*20 = 400 sq units.


Please read the whole thread: a-certain-square-is-to-be-drawn-on-a-coordinate-plane-127018.html#p782255

Each diagram shows 4 squares not 1, so if you take first diagram you'll see 4 squares and each has one vertex at the origin.
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