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A certain swimming pool of 10000 liters has three pipes; [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2003, 09:25
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A certain swimming pool of 10000 liters has three pipes; pipe A to fill and pipes B and C to pour out. A fills the pool at 1000 liters per hour; B pours out at 200 lph; C pours out at 100 lph. All the pipes start to work simultaneously. Unfortunately, due to some problem, A stops for 5 minutes after each hour of working. B and C stop for 5 minutes after each half an hour of working. However, all the pipes work until the pool is full. How long does it take them to fill the pool completely?
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Re: SWIMMING POOL [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2003, 09:56
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A certain swimming pool of 10000 liters has three pipes; pipe A to fill and pipes B and C to pour out. A fills the pool at 1000 liters per hour; B pours out at 200 lph; C pours out at 100 lph. All the pipes start to work simultaneously. Unfortunately, due to some problem, A stops for 5 minutes after each hour of working. B and C stop for 5 minutes after each half an hour of working. However, all the pipes work until the pool is full. How long does it take them to fill the pool completely?


A admit I used a calculator because this challenge is not a 2,(027) min question.

Answers are:
7h54min with faulty A,B,C, vaults and
7h42min if A,B,C work constantly.
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[#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2003, 09:59
The faulty valts answer is calculated on the conditions of a 5 min per hour break for all the vaults, where as the original Q states that B&C rest after every 30 min. Therefore, it will take some 10-15 min faster to fill the pool.
My fault.
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 [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2003, 10:32
Stolyar,
my answer comes to 15.01 hours
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Sorry [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2003, 10:39
Sorry guys, it's late in the evening here and I needed to eat some water melon to reconsider my answer. The exam date is approaching and I often catch myself thinking about it even in the most peculiar places.

Unswer is 15 hours.

Logic is as follows:

A pours in 1000*55/60 liters an hour (l/h)
B pours out 200*50/60 l/h
C pours out 100*50/60 l/h

To get a total amount of water that is added into the swimming pool every hour, substract B&C from A. It's 666,(6)liters.
Time=work/rate => 10000/666(6)=15 hours.
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 [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2003, 12:26
We see that pipe A fills in 1000 gal in 65 minutes (1 hr filling and 5 min. rest).

We see that B & C drains out 300 gal. in 70 minutes (1/2 hr draining, 5 min rest, 1/2 hr draining and another 5 min. rest)

So, I suppose the total time taken is 910x. Why? Because, the LCM of 65 and 70 is 910. I used a factor x with it because I do not know yet whether 910 is the time taken in minutes, YET.

Now, A fills in 1000/65*910x gallons in 910x minutes
or, A fills in 14000x gallons

B&C drains 300/70*910x gallons in 910x minutes
or, B&C drains 3900x gallons

So, at the end of the total time (910x minutes) the pool will be filled.
=> 14000x - 3900x = 10000
=> x = 10000/10100 = 100/101

So, total time = 910x
= 910 * 100/101
= 15.01 hours
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Re: SWIMMING POOL [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2003, 12:35
stolyar wrote:
A certain swimming pool of 10000 liters has three pipes; pipe A to fill and pipes B and C to pour out. A fills the pool at 1000 liters per hour; B pours out at 200 lph; C pours out at 100 lph. All the pipes start to work simultaneously. Unfortunately, due to some problem, A stops for 5 minutes after each hour of working. B and C stop for 5 minutes after each half an hour of working. However, all the pipes work until the pool is full. How long does it take them to fill the pool completely?


Becareful the way you word/interpret the problems. The problem actually states that A stops working AFTER working for one hour, and pipes B and C stop working AFTER working for 30 minutes. This is entirely different than if A stops working once every hour (i.e., after working for 55 minutes) and B and C stop working once every half hour (i.e., after working 25 minutes), which is the problem that everyone solved.

Stolyar, what is your intention here?
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 [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2003, 12:43
AkamaiBrah,
I don't agree. The problem states "A stops for 5 minutes after each hour of working. B and C stop for 5 minutes after each half an hour of working."

If "A stops working AFTER working for one hour, and pipes B and C stop working AFTER working for 30 minutes" then the pool will never be filled.
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 [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2003, 12:57
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I don't agree. The problem states "A stops for 5 minutes after each hour of working. B and C stop for 5 minutes after each half an hour of working."

If "A stops working AFTER working for one hour, and pipes B and C stop working AFTER working for 30 minutes" then the pool will never be filled.


I'm sure he means 5 mnutes after each hour and half hour respectively, but your observation is besides my point. My point is that 5 minutes "after" each hour and half-hour is still different from 5 minutes "at the end" of each hour and half-hour respectively. The solution of 15 hours is the solution to the latter interpretation, which is not what Stolyar asked. The answer to the first interpretation is a few minutes less.

The answers are not different by much, BUT THEY ARE STILL DIFFERENT.
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great prblem [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2003, 13:26
great problem...

the way i modeled this in order to be able to do this in about two minutes was to say that pipe A filled at a rate of 1000 * 11/12 lph and i mentally combined pipes B and C into one pipe emptying at 300 * 5/6 lph.

Then I set up the equation:

X (11000/12 - 1500/6) = 10000

By hand, X is about 15, a little more. Hope that is accurate enough for the GMAT!!!
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 [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2003, 13:32
AkamaiBrah,

Absolutely. You are correct. I see what you mean. Currently trying to formulate a way to see if I can solve that. Thanks
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Re: SWIMMING POOL [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2003, 21:49
AkamaiBrah wrote:
stolyar wrote:
A certain swimming pool of 10000 liters has three pipes; pipe A to fill and pipes B and C to pour out. A fills the pool at 1000 liters per hour; B pours out at 200 lph; C pours out at 100 lph. All the pipes start to work simultaneously. Unfortunately, due to some problem, A stops for 5 minutes after each hour of working. B and C stop for 5 minutes after each half an hour of working. However, all the pipes work until the pool is full. How long does it take them to fill the pool completely?


Becareful the way you word/interpret the problems. The problem actually states that A stops working AFTER working for one hour, and pipes B and C stop working AFTER working for 30 minutes. This is entirely different than if A stops working once every hour (i.e., after working for 55 minutes) and B and C stop working once every half hour (i.e., after working 25 minutes), which is the problem that everyone solved.

Stolyar, what is your intention here?


Sure you are correct! A works for a COMPLETE HOUR (60 minutes) then stops for 5 minutes. B and C work for HALF AN HOUR (30 min) and then stop for 5 min. And so on and so forth, until the pull is full. I invented the question occasionally yesterday, so figures can be raw. A hint: re-consider rates. My solution is to go public soon.
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 [#permalink] New post 07 Aug 2003, 01:41
My solution:

1. Unite pouring pipes in one that works at the rate of 300 lph
2. Translate nominal rates into actual ones.

Since we deal with minutes, it is reasonable to get rid of hours

the nominal R(fill)=1000/60 lpm
the nominal R(pour)=300/60 lpm

the actual R(fill)=1000/65=200/13 lpm (because of a 5-minute stop after each 60 m)
the actual R(pour)=150/35=30/7 lpm (because of a 5-minute stop after each 30 m)

WORK=RATE*TIME

10000=(200/13-30/7)*X in minutes

X=910000/1010=901 munutes approximately, or 15 hours and 1 minute.
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