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A discussion of our nations foreign policy must begin with [#permalink] New post 19 Oct 2007, 12:34
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A discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact of there being an independent Western Europe which now thinks of itself in trans-nationalist terms.
(A) A discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact of there being
(B) Beginning any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must be the fact of there being
(C) Any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact that there is
(D) Any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin by acknowledging the existence of
(E) To begin discussing our nation’s foreign policy there must be an acknowledgment of the fact that

Please give explanations for your choice. Also, I read in some notes the fact that is most likely incorrect for GMAT. Is that correct?
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Re: SC: a discussion of our nation's foreign policy [#permalink] New post 19 Oct 2007, 12:56
[quote="gluon"]A discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact of there being an independent Western Europe which now thinks of itself in trans-nationalist terms.
(A) A discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact of there being
(B) Beginning any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must be the fact of there being
(C) Any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact that there is
(D) Any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin by acknowledging the existence of - is odd
(E) To begin discussing our nation’s foreign policy there must be an acknowledgment of the fact that - very awkward.


I am wrong...the answer is D....

must begin with "the fact that" - its saying that any discussions should begin with "the fact that" which is wrong.
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Oct 2007, 15:25
Per my studies and strunk and white... when a clause uses the word "fact" it most often is incorrect.

Here the answer is clear.

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 [#permalink] New post 20 Oct 2007, 06:44
D.

B/C when GMAT uses "there" in the sentence it mush refer to physical place not an idea.
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Re: SC: a discussion of our nation's foreign policy [#permalink] New post 20 Oct 2007, 10:42
gluon wrote:
A discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact of there being an independent Western Europe which now thinks of itself in trans-nationalist terms.
(A) A discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact of there being
(B) Beginning any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must be the fact of there being
(C) Any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact that there is
(D) Any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin by acknowledging the existence of
(E) To begin discussing our nation’s foreign policy there must be an acknowledgment of the fact that

Please give explanations for your choice. Also, I read in some notes the fact that is most likely incorrect for GMAT. Is that correct?


D. Agree with you that "In most cases "with" and "the fact that"are most likely to be incorrect in GMAT.

therefore, D should be fine over C.
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Re: SC: a discussion of our nation's foreign policy [#permalink] New post 20 Oct 2007, 23:33
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gluon wrote:
A discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact of there being an independent Western Europe which now thinks of itself in trans-nationalist terms.
(A) A discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact of there being
(B) Beginning any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must be the fact of there being
(C) Any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact that there is
(D) Any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin by acknowledging the existence of
(E) To begin discussing our nation’s foreign policy there must be an acknowledgment of the fact that

Please give explanations for your choice. Also, I read in some notes the fact that is most likely incorrect for GMAT. Is that correct?


D. Agree with you that "In most cases "with" and "the fact that"are most likely to be incorrect in GMAT.

therefore, D should be fine over C.


I couldn't help but notice the way the test makers create traps in the choices - especially from a non-native speaker's point of view

Quite a few GMAT questions lay simple traps - The test makers know that when we read sentences - our mind tries to process the MEANING first before it processes the Grammar technicalities involved. In most cases, if a particular arrangement of words conveys the meaning properly we look no further and choose that arrangement as our choice. This question is a typical example of that very arrangement of words that makes us believe its authenticity even though the arrangement is flawed grammatically.

The usual GMAT suspects which are incorrect invariably -

1) Look sharp and crisp
2) Naturally appear correct to non-native speakers because that's what they typically learn in the non-native english speaking backgrounds.

It's a fact that the sentence is trying to convey a simple fact - Any discussion of the nation's foreign policy must consider the existence (EXISTENCE is a thousand times better than saying "of there being a european superpower") of a european superpower etc.

C very aptly (and of course erroneously) sums it up - Any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact that there is

To a non-native speaker - begin with the fact that there is doesn't sound grammatically offending at all; in fact it comes in the manner of speaking and so wouldn't raise any alarm bells.

It's conveying the SENSE of the sentence completely - and this is where most students with weak fundamentals of the language will trip - the test makers have very craftily removed acknowledge and have mentioned - begin with the fact that there is instead of saying begin by acknowledging the existence which to a non-native speaker perhaps would appear a bit wordy.
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Re: SC: a discussion of our nation's foreign policy [#permalink] New post 21 Oct 2007, 06:01
gluon wrote:
A discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact of there being an independent Western Europe which now thinks of itself in trans-nationalist terms.
(A) A discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact of there being
(B) Beginning any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must be the fact of there being
(C) Any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin with the fact that there is
(D) Any discussion of our nation’s foreign policy must begin by acknowledging the existence of
(E) To begin discussing our nation’s foreign policy there must be an acknowledgment of the fact that

Please give explanations for your choice. Also, I read in some notes the fact that is most likely incorrect for GMAT. Is that correct?


Will go for 'D' and yes, I agree with you on the usage of 'The fact'. Many have advised me to avoid it as much as possible.
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