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A dog breeder currently has 9 breeding dogs. 6 of the dogs have exactly 1 littermate, and 3 of the dogs have exactly 2 littermates. If 2 dogs are selected at random, what is the probability that both selected dogs are NOT littermates? A. 1/6 B. 2/9 C. 5/6 D. 7/9 E. 8/9
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BhaskarPaul wrote: A dog breeder currently has 9 breeding dogs. 6 of the dogs have exactly 1 littermate, and 3 of the dogs have exactly 2 littermates. If 2 dogs are selected at random, what is the probability that both selected dogs are NOT littermates?
A. 1/6 B. 2/9 C. 5/6 D. 7/9 E. 8/9 Since there are 6 dogs with exactly 1 littermate each, then we have three pairs of littermates: (1-2), (3-4), (5-6); Since there are 3 dogs with exactly 2 littermates each, then we have one triple of littermates: (7-8-9). Let's find the probability of the opposite event, so the probability that both selected dogs ARE littermates, and subtract it from 1. We can select either (1-2), (3-4), or (5-6) so 3 ways; We can select any two from (7-8-9) so C^2_3=3 ways; So, total ways to select 2 littermates out of these 9 dogs is 3+3=6; Total # of ways to select 2 dogs out of 9 is C^2_9=36; P=1-6/36=5/6. Answer: C. Similar question to practice: in-a-room-filled-with-7-people-4-people-have-exactly-87550.htmlHope it helps.
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1) select no littermates from Group 1 (1-2), (3-4), (5-6) 6*2=12 (i.e. 1-3; 1-4; 1-5;1-6;2-3;2-4;2-5;2-6;3-5;3-6;4-5;4-6) 2) select no littermates from Group 2 (7-8-9) . it equals to zero 3) select a dog from Group 1 and one from Group 2 (again no littermate) 3*6=18 (12+0+18)/9C2=30/36=5/6
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Well i find it easy to solve these relationship problems plainly by looking at the number of relationships.
Since 6 have exactly 1 littermate , what u really have are 3 relationships amongst 6 . 1->2 3->4 5->6
Since 3 have exactly 2 relationships. what u really have are 3 relationships. 7->8 8->9 7->9
Total of 6 relationships. Probability they will be relatied = number of relationships/ total number of ways u can pick 2 from 9 = 6/ 9C2 =6/36=1/6
Hence Probablity that they are not related is = 1- 1/6 = 5/6
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Joy111 wrote: A dog breeder currently has 9 breeding dogs. 6 of the dogs have exactly 1 littermate, and 3 of the dogs have exactly 2 littermates. If 2 dogs are selected at random, what is the probability that both selected dogs are NOT littermates?
A. 1/6 B. 2/9 C. 5/6 D. 7/9 E. 8/9 There is a very similar question here: probability-siblings-in-the-room-80722.html#p922063You can use the exact same logic to arrive at the answer. Try to take one line at a time to reason it out. Everything will easily fall in place. I will tell you what I mean. I read the first line: "In a room filled with 9 breeding dogs, 6 have exactly 1 littermate and" I stop here. 6 dogs have exactly 1 littermate. So I say to myself, "Ok. A is there and it has a littermate B. Wait, this means that automatically B has the littermate A. They cannot have any other littermate since both should have only one littermate each. Then out of 6 dogs , 2 are already accounted for. Then in the same way, there must be C and its littermate D and there must also be E and its littermate F". The important thing to realize is that 'littermate' relation is symmetric. If A is littermate of B, B is also the littermate of A. Next line of the question: "3 of the dogs have exactly 2 littermates" Now I think, "There is G and it has two littermates H and J. So automatically H and J both have 2 littermates each too." This gives me following littermates: A - B C - D E - F G - H - I Now I need to pick 2 dogs such that they are not littermates. I can do it in 2 ways. I can either find the number of ways of picking littermates or number of ways of picking 'non littermates'. Number of ways of picking littermates is certainly easier - I can pick A-B or C-D or E-F or 2 of G-H-I in 3 ways (G-H or H-I or G-I) so there are a total of 6 ways of picking littermates. Total ways of picking 2 dogs is 9C2 = 36 ways Out of these 36 ways, 6 ways are there to pick 2 littermates so other 30 ways must be of picking 'non littermates'. Required probability = 30/36 = 5/6
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Joy111 wrote: A dog breeder currently has 9 breeding dogs. 6 of the dogs have exactly 1 littermate, and 3 of the dogs have exactly 2 littermates. If 2 dogs are selected at random, what is the probability that both selected dogs are NOT littermates?
A. 1/6 B. 2/9 C. 5/6 D. 7/9 E. 8/9 We have three pairs of dogs for the 6 with exactly one littermate, and one triplet, with each having exactly two littermates. So, in fact there are two types of dogs: those with one littermate - say A, and the others with two littermates - B. Work with probabilities: Choosing two dogs, we can have either one dog of type B or none (we cannot have two dogs both of type B). The probability of choosing one dog of type B and one of type A is 3/9 * 6/8 * 2 = 1/2 (the factor of 2 for the two possibilities BA and AB). The probability of choosing two dogs of type A which are not littermates is 6/9 * 4/8 = 1/3 (choose one A, then another A which isn't the previous one's littermate). The required probability is 1/2 + 1/3 = 5/6. Find the probability for the complementary event: choose AA or BB. Probability of choosing two dogs of type A who are littermates is 6/9 * 1/8 = 1/12. Probability of choosing two dogs of type B (who necessarily are littermates) is 3/9 * 2/8 = 1/12. Again, we obtain 1 - (1/12 + 1/12) = 5/6. Answer: C
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A dog breeder currently has 9 breeding dogs. 6 of the dogs have exactly 1 littermate, and 3 of the dogs have exactly 2 littermates. If 2 dogs are selected at random, what is the probability that both selected dogs are NOT littermates ? A)1/6 B)2/9 c)5/6 D)7/9 E)8/9 If I name the dogs A thro I then then below are the pairs -> AB BA CD DC EF FE G H and I H G and I I G and H To select a pair that is not a little mate then I can select any of 9 dogs for the 1st slot.... then how to do i got about? I could i have selected A in my 1st pick then i have remaining 7 to chose from (leaving B) = 9 * 7 / 2! but If i select G 1st the I have 6 dogs left to chose from (leaving I and H) = 9 * 6 /2! But this doesn't seem to work? Bunuel please help OA
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Jp27 wrote: A dog breeder currently has 9 breeding dogs. 6 of the dogs have exactly 1 littermate, and 3 of the dogs have exactly 2 littermates. If 2 dogs are selected at random, what is the probability that both selected dogs are NOT littermates ? A)1/6 B)2/9 c)5/6 D)7/9 E)8/9 If I name the dogs A thro I then then below are the pairs -> AB BA CD DC EF FE G H and I H G and I I G and H To select a pair that is not a little mate then I can select any of 9 dogs for the 1st slot.... then how to do i got about? I could i have selected A in my 1st pick then i have remaining 7 to chose from (leaving B) = 9 * 7 / 2! but If i select G 1st the I have 6 dogs left to chose from (leaving I and H) = 9 * 6 /2! But this doesn't seem to work? Bunuel please help OA How to understand 6 dogs have 1 littermate and 3 dogs have 2 littermates and the question is about dogs without littermates? What does littermate in this case mean?
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actleader wrote: Jp27 wrote: A dog breeder currently has 9 breeding dogs. 6 of the dogs have exactly 1 littermate, and 3 of the dogs have exactly 2 littermates. If 2 dogs are selected at random, what is the probability that both selected dogs are NOT littermates ? A)1/6 B)2/9 c)5/6 D)7/9 E)8/9 If I name the dogs A thro I then then below are the pairs -> AB BA CD DC EF FE G H and I H G and I I G and H To select a pair that is not a little mate then I can select any of 9 dogs for the 1st slot.... then how to do i got about? I could i have selected A in my 1st pick then i have remaining 7 to chose from (leaving B) = 9 * 7 / 2! but If i select G 1st the I have 6 dogs left to chose from (leaving I and H) = 9 * 6 /2! But this doesn't seem to work? Bunuel please help OA How to understand 6 dogs have 1 littermate and 3 dogs have 2 littermates and the question is about dogs without littermates? What does littermate in this case mean? I just translated "littermate" to pair... Although this is from kaplan I have seen more similar questions from Manhattan, which are quite strait forward for example: there 8 ppl in a committee each have 1 sibling pair how many ways to select a 3 ppl who are NOT a sibling pair -> 8 * 6 * 4 / 3! = 32. this 1 is extension of this problem with more pairs hence more difficult.
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Jp27 wrote: actleader wrote: Jp27 wrote: A dog breeder currently has 9 breeding dogs. 6 of the dogs have exactly 1 littermate, and 3 of the dogs have exactly 2 littermates. If 2 dogs are selected at random, what is the probability that both selected dogs are NOT littermates ? A)1/6 B)2/9 c)5/6 D)7/9 E)8/9 If I name the dogs A thro I then then below are the pairs -> AB BA CD DC EF FE G H and I H G and I I G and H To select a pair that is not a little mate then I can select any of 9 dogs for the 1st slot.... then how to do i got about? I could i have selected A in my 1st pick then i have remaining 7 to chose from (leaving B) = 9 * 7 / 2! but If i select G 1st the I have 6 dogs left to chose from (leaving I and H) = 9 * 6 /2! But this doesn't seem to work? Bunuel please help OA How to understand 6 dogs have 1 littermate and 3 dogs have 2 littermates and the question is about dogs without littermates? What does littermate in this case mean? I just translated "littermate" to pair... Although this is from kaplan I have seen more similar questions from Manhattan, which are quite strait forward for example: there 8 ppl in a committee each have 1 sibling pair how many ways to select a 3 ppl who are NOT a sibling pair -> 8 * 6 * 4 / 3! = 32. this 1 is extension of this problem with more pairs hence more difficult. it is harder because of added probability conditions. in the case with M's committees it's simply a combinatorial. so if i've understand you rightly - thare are aditionall 6+3 littermates along with 9 dogs or I'm blunting?
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Jp27 wrote: A dog breeder currently has 9 breeding dogs. 6 of the dogs have exactly 1 littermate, and 3 of the dogs have exactly 2 littermates. If 2 dogs are selected at random, what is the probability that both selected dogs are NOT littermates ? A)1/6 B)2/9 c)5/6 D)7/9 E)8/9 If I name the dogs A thro I then then below are the pairs -> AB BA CD DC EF FE G H and I H G and I I G and H To select a pair that is not a little mate then I can select any of 9 dogs for the 1st slot.... then how to do i got about? I could i have selected A in my 1st pick then i have remaining 7 to chose from (leaving B) = 9 * 7 / 2! but If i select G 1st the I have 6 dogs left to chose from (leaving I and H) = 9 * 6 /2! But this doesn't seem to work? Bunuel please help OA Merging similar topics. Please refer to the solutions above.
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HI Bunuel
Here is how i approached the problem probablity of getting exactly two littermate = 1/6 * 2/3 = 1/9
Prob of not getting two littermate = 1 - 1/9 = 8/9
Another problem i was facing her to decide between and , or which operation to follow.
Can u pls help me with that.
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EvaJager wrote: Joy111 wrote: A dog breeder currently has 9 breeding dogs. 6 of the dogs have exactly 1 littermate, and 3 of the dogs have exactly 2 littermates. If 2 dogs are selected at random, what is the probability that both selected dogs are NOT littermates?
A. 1/6 B. 2/9 C. 5/6 D. 7/9 E. 8/9 We have three pairs of dogs for the 6 with exactly one littermate, and one triplet, with each having exactly two littermates. So, in fact there are two types of dogs: those with one littermate - say A, and the others with two littermates - B. Work with probabilities: Choosing two dogs, we can have either one dog of type B or none (we cannot have two dogs both of type B). The probability of choosing one dog of type B and one of type A is 3/9 * 6/8 * 2 = 1/2 (the factor of 2 for the two possibilities BA and AB). The probability of choosing two dogs of type A which are not littermates is 6/9 * 4/8 = 1/3 (choose one A, then another A which isn't the previous one's littermate). The required probability is 1/2 + 1/3 = 5/6. Find the probability for the complementary event: choose AA or BB. Probability of choosing two dogs of type A who are littermates is 6/9 * 1/8 = 1/12.Probability of choosing two dogs of type B (who necessarily are littermates) is 3/9 * 2/8 = 1/12. Again, we obtain 1 - (1/12 + 1/12) = 5/6. Answer: C My doubt is when you know that first category has just 1 litter mate than how can we consider while calculating 1/8 as it has only one littermate . I suppose when it is stated as 1 littermate that doesnt mean 2 in number. if that is the case than in 2nd calculation 4 and 3 should be used not 3 and 2. Regards
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote: Bunuel wrote: kapilhede17 wrote: [*]A dog breeder currently has 9 breeding dogs. 6 of the dogs have exactly 1 littermate, and 3 of the dogs have exactly 2 littermates. If 2 dogs are selected at random, what is the probability that both selected dogs are NOT littermates?
A. 1/6 B. 2/9 C. 5/6 D. 7/9 E. 8/9 Please help me with a fundamental understanding: I solved this Q using the reverse technique i.e.: Probability of not getting any littermates = prob of not getting (a. any of littermate doubles + b. any two of littermate triplets) = (2/9)*(7/8) + (2/9)*(7/8) + (2/9)*(7/8) + (3/9)*(6/8) = 7/12 + 1/4 = 5/6 So, the below method should work as well: = (2C1*7C1)*3 / 9C2 + (3C1*6C1) / 9C2 But, it does not, I guess there is some problem with 9C2, because if I replace the same with 9*8, the equation becomes the same as above I am not able to point out the fundamental flaw in 9C2 method as we use it quite often in similar Qs For eg: A 10-member student leadership committee consists of 4 juniors and 6 seniors. Exactly 6 students will be selected from this group to attend a national convention. What is the probability that at least 3 seniors are selected for the committee? Sol: = 1- (4C4*6C2) / 10C6 = 13/14 Kindly help me to clear this fundamental flaw in my understanding. I have been banging my head over this for few hours:)
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hiteshwd wrote: Please help me with a fundamental understanding:
I solved this Q using the reverse technique i.e.: Probability of not getting any littermates = prob of not getting (a. any of littermate doubles + b. any two of littermate triplets) = (2/9)*(7*8) + (2/9)*(7*8) + (2/9)*(7*8) + (3/9)*(6*8) = 7/12 + 1/4 = 5/6
So, the below method should work as well: = (2C1*7C1) / 9C2 + (3C1*6C1) / 9C2
But, it does not, I guess there is some problem with 9C2, because if I replace the same with 9*8, the equation becomes the same as above
I am not able to point out the fundamental flaw in 9C2 method as we use it quite often in similar Qs
For eg: A 10-member student leadership committee consists of 4 juniors and 6 seniors. Exactly 6 students will be selected from this group to attend a national convention. What is the probability that at least 3 seniors are selected for the committee?
Sol: = 1- (4C4*6C2) / 10C6 = 13/14
Kindly help me to clear this fundamental flaw in my understanding. I have been banging my head over this for few hours:) Responding to a pm: Finding littermates is much easier than finding non-littermates. There is much less confusion. Still, you can obviously work it out the other way around too. Non littermates can be found in two ways: 1. You select one of the 3 littermates and one of the three pairs of 2 littermates. 3C1 * 6C1 = 18 ways 2. You select two of the three pairs of 2 littermates such that they belong to different litters. You pick any one of the 6 dogs in 6 ways (say you picked B) and then you have 4 options (since you cannot pick A now). Say, you picked C. There are 6*4 = 24 ways. But wait, here, you have arranged the picked dogs. You have picked BC. In a different case, you would have picked C and then B. But both these are the same. So you need to divide 24 by 2 i.e. 12 ways. Total number of ways of picking non-littermates = 18+12 = 30 Number of ways of picking 2 dogs = 9C2 = 36 Required Probability = 30/36 = 5/6
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote: Responding to a pm:
Finding littermates is much easier than finding non-littermates. There is much less confusion. Still, you can obviously work it out the other way around too.
Non littermates can be found in two ways:
1. You select one of the 3 littermates and one of the three pairs of 2 littermates. 3C1 * 6C1 = 18 ways
2. You select two of the three pairs of 2 littermates such that they belong to different litters. You pick any one of the 6 dogs in 6 ways (say you picked B) and then you have 4 options (since you cannot pick A now). Say, you picked C. There are 6*4 = 24 ways. But wait, here, you have arranged the picked dogs. You have picked BC. In a different case, you would have picked C and then B. But both these are the same. So you need to divide 24 by 2 i.e. 12 ways.
Total number of ways of picking non-littermates = 18+12 = 30
Number of ways of picking 2 dogs = 9C2 = 36
Required Probability = 30/36 = 5/6 Thanks Karishma I realized the mistake of double counting in my approach (also, edited my post, used some wrong signs. apologies for confusion) Also, any advice or approach recommendation so that I keep my double count in check
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