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A few people who are bad writers simply cannot improve their writing, whether or not they receive instruction. still, most bad writers can at least be taught to improve their writing enough so that they are no longer bad writers. However, no one can become a great writer simply by being taught how to be a better writer, since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent.
Which one of the following can be properly infered from the passage above?
A). All bad writers can become better writers.
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers.
C). Some bad writer can never become great writers.
D). Some bad writers can become great writers.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers.

Can someone please shed some light on this question as to how you approach this question. Do you use Logic Diagrams in such questions?

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Re: A few people who are bad writers simply [#permalink] New post 23 Jul 2012, 07:20
I picked C. Here is my reason:

Bad Writer - > taught/skill !-> great writer
bad writer -> taught/skill -> some still bad (first line)

taught + talent -> great writer (last line)

from the diag. above: only C is correct that some bad writers can't become great writers.

PS: !-> stands for does not implies.
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Re: A few people who are bad writers simply [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2012, 03:53
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A few people who are bad writers simply cannot improve their writing, whether or not they receive instruction. still, most bad writers can at least be taught to improve their writing enough so that they are no longer bad writers. However, no one can become a great writer simply by being taught how to be a better writer, since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent.
Which one of the following can be properly infered from the passage above?
A). All bad writers can become better writers.
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers.
C). Some bad writer can never become great writers.
D). Some bad writers can become great writers.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers.

Can someone please shed some light on this question as to how you approach this question. Do you use Logic Diagrams in such questions?

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You don't need any venn diagrams for this question. Just pick the required info:

1. Some bad writer CANNOT get better.
2. Most bad writers can be taught enough to be not bad anymore.
3. No one can become great by simply being taught how to be better since you need talent to be great.

Option (C) is straight forward - some bad writers can never become great (in fact some cannot even get better, forget about great).

Look at the other options:

A). All bad writers can become better writers - Incorrect according to the argument
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers - Incorrect according to the argument
D). Some bad writers can become great writers - Perhaps not! May be, if they have hidden talent but we certainly cannot infer this statement from the argument. The argument only tells us what cannot make one a great writer. It doesn't tell us what will make someone great.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers. - The argument doesn't talk about making great even better.
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Re: A few people who are bad writers simply [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2012, 21:45
If in option C some is replaced by ALL, will it be still correct?
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Re: A few people who are bad writers simply [#permalink] New post 04 Nov 2013, 02:23
VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
imhimanshu wrote:
A few people who are bad writers simply cannot improve their writing, whether or not they receive instruction. still, most bad writers can at least be taught to improve their writing enough so that they are no longer bad writers. However, no one can become a great writer simply by being taught how to be a better writer, since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent.
Which one of the following can be properly infered from the passage above?
A). All bad writers can become better writers.
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers.
C). Some bad writer can never become great writers.
D). Some bad writers can become great writers.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers.

Can someone please shed some light on this question as to how you approach this question. Do you use Logic Diagrams in such questions?

Thanks
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You don't need any venn diagrams for this question. Just pick the required info:

1. Some bad writer CANNOT get better.
2. Most bad writers can be taught enough to be not bad anymore.
3. No one can become great by simply being taught how to be better since you need talent to be great.

Option (C) is straight forward - some bad writers can never become great (in fact some cannot even get better, forget about great).

Look at the other options:

A). All bad writers can become better writers - Incorrect according to the argument
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers - Incorrect according to the argument
D). Some bad writers can become great writers - Perhaps not! May be, if they have hidden talent but we certainly cannot infer this statement from the argument. The argument only tells us what cannot make one a great writer. It doesn't tell us what will make someone great.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers. - The argument doesn't talk about making great even better.


Hi Karishma,
"It doesn't tell us what will make someone great."
I disagree, it does tell us what it takes to be a great writer, that is talent:
"...since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent".
Any thoughts?
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Re: A few people who are bad writers simply [#permalink] New post 06 Nov 2013, 20:00
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
imhimanshu wrote:
A few people who are bad writers simply cannot improve their writing, whether or not they receive instruction. still, most bad writers can at least be taught to improve their writing enough so that they are no longer bad writers. However, no one can become a great writer simply by being taught how to be a better writer, since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent.
Which one of the following can be properly infered from the passage above?
A). All bad writers can become better writers.
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers.
C). Some bad writer can never become great writers.
D). Some bad writers can become great writers.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers.

Can someone please shed some light on this question as to how you approach this question. Do you use Logic Diagrams in such questions?

Thanks
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You don't need any venn diagrams for this question. Just pick the required info:

1. Some bad writer CANNOT get better.
2. Most bad writers can be taught enough to be not bad anymore.
3. No one can become great by simply being taught how to be better since you need talent to be great.

Option (C) is straight forward - some bad writers can never become great (in fact some cannot even get better, forget about great).

Look at the other options:

A). All bad writers can become better writers - Incorrect according to the argument
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers - Incorrect according to the argument
D). Some bad writers can become great writers - Perhaps not! May be, if they have hidden talent but we certainly cannot infer this statement from the argument. The argument only tells us what cannot make one a great writer. It doesn't tell us what will make someone great.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers. - The argument doesn't talk about making great even better.


Hi Karishma,
"It doesn't tell us what will make someone great."
I disagree, it does tell us what it takes to be a great writer, that is talent:
"...since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent".
Any thoughts?


This is the necessary/sufficient condition distinction.
"...since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent". tells you that you NEED skill and talent to be great. The point is will everyone who posses both be great? We don't know. We don't know what is sufficient to make a great writer. What we know is what is necessary "not just skill but also talent"
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Re: A few people who are bad writers simply cannot improve their [#permalink] New post 11 Jan 2014, 08:30
HI,

Isn't it "all bad writers can never be great writers"?

Thanks for discussion!
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Re: A few people who are bad writers simply cannot improve their [#permalink] New post 11 Jan 2014, 17:33
A few people who are bad writers simply cannot improve their writing, whether or not they receive instruction. still, most bad writers can at least be taught to improve their writing enough so that they are no longer bad writers. However, no one can become a great writer simply by being taught how to be a better writer, since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent.
Which one of the following can be properly infered from the passage above?
A). All bad writers can become better writers....NOR REALLY .. SEE OPENING STATEMENT...
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers.STRETCHING IT TOO MUCH..
C). Some bad writer can never become great writers....CORRECT ... SEE OPENING NARRATIVE.....
D). Some bad writers can become great writers.....STRETCHING IT TOO MUCH....
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers...STRETCHING IT TOO MUCH.....
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Re: A few people who are bad writers simply cannot improve their [#permalink] New post 13 Jan 2014, 19:50
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Isn't it "all bad writers can never be great writers"?

Thanks for discussion!


No. You need to be very particular about EXACTLY what is given. All we have is this:

1. Some bad writers CANNOT get better.
2. Most bad writers can be taught enough to be not bad anymore.
3. No one can become great by simply being taught how to be better since you need talent to be great.

We know that one cannot become great by being taught if he doesn't have talent. But do we know that all bad writers have no talent? It's not given to us. One could be a bad writer because one was not instructed well. But actually one may have "hidden talent". Anyway, these are just assumptions but the point is that we are not given that all bad writers do not have talent. We are given though that 'some bad writers cannot get better' so we know that they will never become great writers. So we can say that 'some bad writers will never be great.'
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