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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2011, 01:43
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"group believes" noun/verb agreement
"to be redesigned but to be returned" - parallelism
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2011, 02:13
Singular and ||ism tested...A!
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2011, 11:40
Correct is A

Group.... belives

Not to X but to Y
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2011, 19:39
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mikeCoolBoy wrote:
The only possible correct answer choices to this problem are A and D. The idiom not X but Y requires parallelism between X and Y.

Option B is not parallel

believe that the park needs to not be redesigned(X) but to be returned. The first to needs to be after not.

Between A and D, a group of .. can be singular or plural, depending on what you want to emphasize.

If you want to emphasize on the action use the plural form. If you want to emphasize on the group use the singular form.

I think that here the correct answer choice is A because all the group believe the same thing so the author emphasizes on the group.

In this GMAT OFFICIAL problem,,

The correct answer choice uses plural because the proportion of women work in different jobs in the same industry.


Thanks Mike !! now i'm clear on why A.

OA is A



I dont think this is a correct example. In the GMAT official problem , the subject is Women . "An overhelming proportion" is an adjective. But it is not so in the present case where a "group of students" ie. group is the subject and not students.

Please correct me if I am wrong. Am really confused.
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2011, 21:46
A is fine no contention believes is needed for group and parallel structure is established only in A
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 03 Sep 2011, 08:15
Options that use "believe" are ruled out in the first second you look at "group". That leaves us with A and C that use "believes". C is not parallel, hence the answer is A.
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 20 Sep 2011, 01:22
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I totally missed that 'have' is present in the sentence and luckily gt the correct answer

A clear example of "collective nouns used as Both Singular and Plural"
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Re: A group of sudents who have begun to clean up Frederick Law [#permalink] New post 20 Nov 2011, 07:34
Easy one. Choosing choice A follows Subject - verb agreement rule.
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Re: A group of sudents who have begun to clean up Frederick Law [#permalink] New post 20 Nov 2011, 21:02
A group, requires singular verb hence B, D and E are you. Between A and C, C changes the meaning of the original sentence. So + 1 for A
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 01 Dec 2011, 12:26
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I don't agree to the OA!

According to MGMAT "a group of students" is a quantity phrase for which the subject of the OF-prepositional phrase determines whether the verb is singular or plural. Since the non-underlined part provides the plural (have begun) for the first clause, you cannot simply change that in the second clause to singular, because you have the same subject.



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A 'group of students' might be a quantity phase, but you need to remember that a 'Group' always summarizes a 'plural set'. Consider the Group akin to a bouquet of flowers. The Bouquet is singular although it may contain dozens of flowers.
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Re: A group of sudents who have begun to clean up Frederick Law [#permalink] New post 02 Dec 2011, 08:38
+1 A
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the main issue is A group of sudents who have begun
A group of sudents is singular( collective noun) and who have begun is plural
who have begun.... relative clause who modifying students , hence plural..
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Re: A group of sudents who have begun to clean up Frederick Law [#permalink] New post 15 Mar 2012, 17:11
A group of students who have begun to clean up Frederick Law Olmstead's Morning Park in New York City believes that the park needs not to be redesigned but to be returned to its former condition.

I understand the solution and myself picked A but my confusion is


If group is singular why are we using "have" after grp of students instead of "has".

I know there was an explanation given above but I could not understand it completely.

Please help me understand this.

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Re: A group of sudents who have begun to clean up Frederick Law [#permalink] New post 23 Mar 2012, 08:57
A over C as C is awkward and wordy. Others wrong for usage of incorrect tense.
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Re: A group of sudents who have begun to clean up Frederick Law [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2012, 04:44
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A group of students who have begun to clean up Frederick Law Olmstead's Morning Park in New York City believes that the park needs not to be redesigned but to be returned to its former condition.


One needs to play close attention to the verbs and associate these verbs to the respective subjects.

The pronouns who/that etc refer to the noun that immediately precedes it. In this case, the pronoun who refers to the noun students and hence the verb that is associated to the who needs to be plural.

The subject "Group" is ALWAYS considered as a collective unit in American English and hence is always treated as a singular noun. The verb "believes" is associated to the GROUP and is hence is singular.

Here are some other examples :-
The girls who are playing on the field are having fun.
A group of girls who are playing on the field is having a lot of fun.

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Re: A group of sudents who have begun to clean up Frederick Law [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2012, 06:30
Hi all

There is some really interesting discussion happening here, well done everyone.

However I think people are making things entirely too difficult for themselves by not splitting the answers. You only really need to know 1 rule to answer this question correctly, and that is to recognise that a group is singular (A group, one group). That eliminates B, D, and E. If you look at the tail of A and C, the former implies that park needs to be returned to a pervious state while the later implies that it is possible that the park could attain a previous state. Two different meaning, and therefore one should select the closest meaning to the original, which is clearly A.


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Re: A group of sudents who have begun to clean up Frederick Law [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2012, 14:51
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A over C as C is awkward and wordy. Others wrong for usage of incorrect tense.


C : Disappears because of Parallelism

C : NEEDS.........not to be redesigned.................... BUT.............. could be returned = Faulty Parallelism
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Re: A group of sudents who have begun to clean up Frederick Law [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2012, 19:00
What is the source for this question?

A is incorrect. ‘A group of students ‘ is plural and ‘have begun’ also informs that it’s plural.
If it were ‘The group of students’ then it would have been singular.
D is the correct answer for plural and not but construction
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Re: A group of sudents who have begun to clean up Frederick Law [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2013, 12:44
I chose D. So what is the takeaway?

The number of Xs -> Always singular (number is the subject)
A number of X/ Half of X/ etc. -> Singular or Plural, it depends on the subject preceding the preposition of
A group of X -> Always singular (group is the subject)
The group of X - >Always singular (group is the subject)

Am I correct? Does english has another excpetion regarding the use of "A something of" whether is singular or singular/plural.

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Re: A group of sudents who have begun to clean up Frederick Law [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2013, 17:41
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I chose D. So what is the takeaway?

The number of Xs -> Always singular (number is the subject)
A number of X/ Half of X/ etc. -> Singular or Plural, it depends on the subject preceding the preposition of
A group of X -> Always singular (group is the subject)
The group of X - >Always singular (group is the subject)

Am I correct? Does english has another excpetion regarding the use of "A something of" whether is singular or singular/plural.

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Hi marcovg,

A group is always a group, singular. Whoever, the verb "have" is not referring to the group--it's referring to the students. "A group of (students who are cleaning)..."
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Re: A group of sudents who have begun to clean up Frederick Law [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2014, 05:39
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How " A group of Students " is considered singular?
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