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A group of sudents who have begun to clean up Frederick Law Olmstead's Morning Park in New York City believes that the park needs not to be redesigned but to be returned to its former condition.

(A) believes that the park needs not to be redesigned but to
(B) believe that the park needs to not be redesigned but to
(C) believes that the park needs not to be redesigned but could
(D) believe that the park needs not to be redesigned but to
(E) believe that the park needs not to be redesigned but that it


I chose the answer "B" as "A group of people" appears singular i think it is a plural....but the answer was different.
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2009, 09:42
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The only possible correct answer choices to this problem are A and D. The idiom not X but Y requires parallelism between X and Y.

Option B is not parallel

believe that the park needs to not be redesigned(X) but to be returned. The first to needs to be after not.

Between A and D, a group of .. can be singular or plural, depending on what you want to emphasize.

If you want to emphasize on the action use the plural form. If you want to emphasize on the group use the singular form.

I think that here the correct answer choice is A because all the group believe the same thing so the author emphasizes on the group.

In this GMAT OFFICIAL problem sc-as-vs-like-76300.html

The correct answer choice uses plural because the proportion of women work in different jobs in the same industry.
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2009, 12:00
I beleive the sentence is plural because 'who have' clearly represents the emphasis on plurallism..

I will go for D because of this.

not x but y...
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2009, 16:21
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The only possible correct answer choices to this problem are A and D. The idiom not X but Y requires parallelism between X and Y.

......the singular form.

I think that here the correct answer choice is A because all the group believe the same thing so the author emphasizes on the group.

.........


Kaplan GMAT has the same exact question and they give the answer to be A. The explanation says that the subject is "group". So then, shouldn't the sentence be " A group of students who has begun......". I am confused......or I need to learn basic grammar.
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2009, 16:54
In this case, mike cool's post make sense.

That author is emhasis on group, which constitutes the students who are already doing in the park because they beleive in somthing. It is definately a tricky and bit ambigous question.
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2009, 20:13
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The only possible correct answer choices to this problem are A and D. The idiom not X but Y requires parallelism between X and Y.

Option B is not parallel

believe that the park needs to not be redesigned(X) but to be returned. The first to needs to be after not.

Between A and D, a group of .. can be singular or plural, depending on what you want to emphasize.

If you want to emphasize on the action use the plural form. If you want to emphasize on the group use the singular form.

I think that here the correct answer choice is A because all the group believe the same thing so the author emphasizes on the group.

In this GMAT OFFICIAL problem sc-as-vs-like-76300.html

The correct answer choice uses plural because the proportion of women work in different jobs in the same industry.


Thanks Mike !! now i'm clear on why A.

OA is A
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2009, 00:38
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In this case, mike cool's post make sense.

That author is emhasis on group, which constitutes the students who are already doing in the park because they beleive in somthing. It is definately a tricky and bit ambigous question.


I agree that is tricky and ambiguous. If someone knows an official problem regarding this used please post it. I'd say that if you doubt go for the singular version
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 14 Sep 2009, 02:21
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In this case, mike cool's post make sense.

That author is emhasis on group, which constitutes the students who are already doing in the park because they beleive in somthing. It is definately a tricky and bit ambigous question.


I agree that is tricky and ambiguous. If someone knows an official problem regarding this used please post it. I'd say that if you doubt go for the singular version


GROUP/COLLECTION is always considered sigular
"PROPORTION" is not a collective noun and hence has to be treated as plural
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 14 Sep 2009, 03:30
Could you please cite a source which says that group is always singular?

I have this usage of group and I've read the same definition from some experts.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/group.html
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 14 Sep 2009, 06:55
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Could you please cite a source which says that group is always singular?

I have this usage of group and I've read the same definition from some experts.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/group.html

I guess it should be mentioned in any standard grammar book on the chapter of TENSES/
subject verb agreement..
Even manhattan sc guide has it
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 15 Sep 2009, 19:24
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The solution has been properly explained, but someone earlier mentioned how "have" was there instead of "has" indicating plurality.

The subject of the sentence is "A group," which means the sentence must be correct with all descriptive phrases cut out. "A group...believes that..." is clearly correct. That leaves the descriptive phrase to be selfcontained, however. In "students who have," the "have" is describing the students who make up the group, not the group itself, and thus is correct. Don't let the mix of plurality and singularity mislead you!
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Wow....This really is a tricky and very good question. Here is my explanation.

A group of sudents who have begun to clean up Frederick Law Olmstead's Morning Park in New York City believes that the park needs not to be redesigned but to be returned to its former condition

Here relative phrase "A group of students who have begun to clean up" is infact referring to students.Hence plural verb form - have begun.

The intended meaning of the sentence refers to the group as a whole. In these cases,the verb shouldbe singular.

A group........believes that the park......is the correct usage.

Left with A and C.

Correct idiom is NOT X BUT Y where X and Y should be parallel.

In C, needs not to be redesigned but could , X is an infinitive. So Y should also be an infinite but not the case.

Hence ans= A.
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 25 Aug 2010, 12:44
Manhattan SC says,neglect the middle men(prepositional modifiers),between the subject and verb to find the subject.
e-gmat says :neglect prepositional modifiers ,of... ,with ....
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 25 Aug 2010, 12:58
A is correct.
Group is the subject and is singular, so B, D and E are out.
C is out because it is not paralllel.

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I don't agree to the OA!

According to MGMAT "a group of students" is a quantity phrase for which the subject of the OF-prepositional phrase determines whether the verb is singular or plural. Since the non-underlined part provides the plural (have begun) for the first clause, you cannot simply change that in the second clause to singular, because you have the same subject.
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2010, 11:56
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A group of sudents who have begun to clean up Frederick Law Olmstead's Morning Park in New York City believes that the park needs not to be redesigned but to be returned to its former condition.

(A) believes that the park needs not to be redesigned but to
(B) believe that the park needs to not be redesigned but to
(C) believes that the park needs not to be redesigned but could
(D) believe that the park needs not to be redesigned but to
(E) believe that the park needs not to be redesigned but that it


I chose the answer "B" as "A group of people" appears singular i think it is a plural....but the answer was different.


IMO A

a group therefore singular
eliminate B,D,E
not x, but y
eliminate C
therefore A
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 26 Mar 2011, 19:24
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The only possible correct answer choices to this problem are A and D. The idiom not X but Y requires parallelism between X and Y.

......the singular form.

I think that here the correct answer choice is A because all the group believe the same thing so the author emphasizes on the group.

.........


Kaplan GMAT has the same exact question and they give the answer to be A. The explanation says that the subject is "group". So then, shouldn't the sentence be " A group of students who has begun......". I am confused......or I need to learn basic grammar.


Here is an example to clear the confusion between "have" and "has" for students.

a group of students who are taught together: can be followed by a singular or plural verb


macmillandictionary[dot]com/thesaurus-category/british/Student-bodies-and-groups-of-students
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I think we have approached this i one of the students- plural or singular verb issue from Kaplan, or MGMAT's point of view. Have we looked at it from the GMAC’s point of view? If not, here is a question from GPrep that employs this structure and indicates GMAC’s views on it.

According to two teams of paleontologists, recent fossil discoveries in Pakistan show that whales, porpoises, and dolphins are more closely related to some of the oldest known even-toed ungulates--a group of hoofed mammals that today includes cows, camels, pigs, and hippos—than to any other mammals.
A. that whales, porpoises, and dolphins are more closely related to some of the oldest known even-toed ungulates—a group of hoofed mammals that today includes cows, camels, pigs, and hippos—than
B. that whales, porpoises, and dolphins are more closely related to some of the oldest known even-toed ungulates—a group of hoofed mammals that today include cows, camels, pigs, and hippos—as
C. whales, porpoises, and dolphins to be more closely related to some of the oldest known even-toed ungulates—a group of hoofed mammals that today include cows, camels, pigs, and hippos—than they are
D. whales, porpoises, and dolphins as being more closely related to some of the oldest known even-toed ungulates—a group of hoofed mammals that today includes cows, camels, pigs, and hippos—as they are
E. whales, porpoises, and dolphins as more closely related to some of the oldest known even-toed ungulates—a group of hoofed mammals that today include cows, camels, pigs, and hippos—than

The correct answer is choice A, containing ‘a group of hoofed mammals’ that today ‘includes’ cows, camels, pigs, and hippos’

Now you know what GMAC considers right.

Can we have some OG or GPrep example in which the GMAC has preferred the other choice?

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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 27 Mar 2011, 10:36
+1 A

S-V agreement.
It keeps the sense and meaning of the sentence.
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Re: Group of students [#permalink] New post 27 Mar 2011, 18:27
I picked 'believe' vs 'believes', but a group is singular.
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