Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track Your Progress

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Not interested in getting valuable practice questions and articles delivered to your email? No problem, unsubscribe here.

It appears that you are browsing the GMAT Club forum unregistered!

Signing up is free, quick, and confidential.
Join other 350,000 members and get the full benefits of GMAT Club

Registration gives you:

Tests

Take 11 tests and quizzes from GMAT Club and leading GMAT prep companies such as Manhattan GMAT,
Knewton, and others. All are free for GMAT Club members.

Applicant Stats

View detailed applicant stats such as GPA, GMAT score, work experience, location, application
status, and more

Books/Downloads

Download thousands of study notes,
question collections, GMAT Club’s
Grammar and Math books.
All are free!

Thank you for using the timer!
We noticed you are actually not timing your practice. Click the START button first next time you use the timer.
There are many benefits to timing your practice, including:

A jar contains 6 Magenta balls, 3 Tan balls, 5 Gray balls [#permalink]
30 Sep 2012, 06:36

00:00

A

B

C

D

E

Difficulty:

15% (low)

Question Stats:

79% (01:43) correct
21% (01:12) wrong based on 111 sessions

A jar contains 6 Magenta balls, 3 Tan balls, 5 Gray balls and 7 Turquoise balls. Two balls are chosen from the jar. What is the probability that both balls chosen are Tan?

Don't we have to assume that the balls are identical? If they are, then the number of ways of choosing 2 Tan identical balls out of 3 tan balls = 1. Isn't it? If I assume that the balls are not withdrawn "at a time", OA is correct. However, how do I know whether the balls are withdrawn at a time or one by one?

Re: A jar contains 6 Magenta balls [#permalink]
30 Sep 2012, 09:12

3

This post received KUDOS

voodoochild wrote:

A jar contains 6 Magenta balls, 3 Tan balls, 5 Gray balls and 7 Turquoise balls. Two balls are chosen from the jar. What is the probability that both balls chosen are Tan?

1) 1/70 2) 2/49 3) 1/21 4) 6/441 5) 1/49

Don't we have to assume that the balls are identical? If they are, then the number of ways of choosing 2 Tan identical balls out of 3 tan balls = 1. Isn't it? If I assume that the balls are not withdrawn "at a time", OA is correct. However, how do I know whether the balls are withdrawn at a time or one by one?

The assumption is that balls of the same color are identical. OA answer is correct anyway. It doesn't matter that you stick both your hands in a jar and remove two balls together or get them one-by-one. What matters is the final result: the types/colors of the two chosen balls.

If you use probabilities: first ball Tan 3/21, second ball Tan 2/20, altogether (3/21)*(2/20) = 1/70.

Combinatorics: total number of ways to choose 2 balls out of 21 is 21C2 = 21*20/2 = 21*10. Total number of ways to choose 2 Tan balls out of 3 is 3C2 = 3*2/2 = 3. Therefore, the required probability is 3/(21*10) = 1/70.

Answer A. _________________

PhD in Applied Mathematics Love GMAT Quant questions and running.

In this example, the number of ways of choosing any one out of 3 Yellow balls = 1+1+1+1 (no ball is chosen) instead of (3C0=1)+(3C1=3)+(3C2=3)+(3C3=1)=8 ways

Can you please explain the difference between these two questions?

Re: A jar contains 6 Magenta balls [#permalink]
21 Oct 2012, 11:45

EvaJager wrote:

voodoochild wrote:

A jar contains 6 Magenta balls, 3 Tan balls, 5 Gray balls and 7 Turquoise balls. Two balls are chosen from the jar. What is the probability that both balls chosen are Tan?

1) 1/70 2) 2/49 3) 1/21 4) 6/441 5) 1/49

Don't we have to assume that the balls are identical? If they are, then the number of ways of choosing 2 Tan identical balls out of 3 tan balls = 1. Isn't it? If I assume that the balls are not withdrawn "at a time", OA is correct. However, how do I know whether the balls are withdrawn at a time or one by one?

The assumption is that balls of the same color are identical. OA answer is correct anyway. It doesn't matter that you stick both your hands in a jar and remove two balls together or get them one-by-one. What matters is the final result: the types/colors of the two chosen balls.

If you use probabilities: first ball Tan 3/21, second ball Tan 2/20, altogether (3/21)*(2/20) = 1/70.

Combinatorics: total number of ways to choose 2 balls out of 21 is 21C2 = 21*20/2 = 21*10. Total number of ways to choose 2 Tan balls out of 3 is 3C2 = 3*2/2 = 3. Therefore, the required probability is 3/(21*10) = 1/70.

Answer A.

Eva, Sorry to open this old thread. But, in this post : math-combinatorics-87345.html , the poster has mentioned that "Number of ways to pick 0 or more objects from n identical objects = n + 1" -- Hence, the number of ways to pick 2 balls out of say 5 identical balls must NOT be 5C2 -- Correct? Please help me.

Re: A jar contains 6 Magenta balls, 3 Tan balls, 5 Gray balls [#permalink]
21 Oct 2012, 12:28

voodoochild wrote:

A jar contains 6 Magenta balls, 3 Tan balls, 5 Gray balls and 7 Turquoise balls. Two balls are chosen from the jar. What is the probability that both balls chosen are Tan?

Don't we have to assume that the balls are identical? If they are, then the number of ways of choosing 2 Tan identical balls out of 3 tan balls = 1. Isn't it? If I assume that the balls are not withdrawn "at a time", OA is correct. However, how do I know whether the balls are withdrawn at a time or one by one?

If it is not stated, we should assume without replacement, Therefore: 3/21 x 2/20 = 1/70

Re: A jar contains 6 Magenta balls [#permalink]
21 Oct 2012, 14:49

1

This post received KUDOS

voodoochild wrote:

EvaJager wrote:

voodoochild wrote:

A jar contains 6 Magenta balls, 3 Tan balls, 5 Gray balls and 7 Turquoise balls. Two balls are chosen from the jar. What is the probability that both balls chosen are Tan?

1) 1/70 2) 2/49 3) 1/21 4) 6/441 5) 1/49

Don't we have to assume that the balls are identical? If they are, then the number of ways of choosing 2 Tan identical balls out of 3 tan balls = 1. Isn't it? If I assume that the balls are not withdrawn "at a time", OA is correct. However, how do I know whether the balls are withdrawn at a time or one by one?

The assumption is that balls of the same color are identical. OA answer is correct anyway. It doesn't matter that you stick both your hands in a jar and remove two balls together or get them one-by-one. What matters is the final result: the types/colors of the two chosen balls.

If you use probabilities: first ball Tan 3/21, second ball Tan 2/20, altogether (3/21)*(2/20) = 1/70.

Combinatorics: total number of ways to choose 2 balls out of 21 is 21C2 = 21*20/2 = 21*10. Total number of ways to choose 2 Tan balls out of 3 is 3C2 = 3*2/2 = 3. Therefore, the required probability is 3/(21*10) = 1/70.

Answer A.

Eva, Sorry to open this old thread. But, in this post : math-combinatorics-87345.html , the poster has mentioned that "Number of ways to pick 0 or more objects from n identical objects = n + 1" -- Hence, the number of ways to pick 2 balls out of say 5 identical balls must NOT be 5C2 -- Correct? Please help me.

thanks

The wording "Number of ways to pick 0 or more objects from n identical objects = n + 1" is not clear. It is meant that from n identical objects, we can choose none (which is 0), 1, 2,..., or all n objects - therefore we have n+1 choices. For example, if we have 5 identical balls, we can choose 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 balls. We have a total of 5 + 1 choices.

Once we made up our mind how many balls we want to choose, say 2, then the number of possibilities to choose them is 5C2 = 5*4/2. Because, for the first ball 5 possibilities, for the second 4 possibilities, and then we have to divide by 2!, because the balls are identical, order doesn't matter (I would say it is meaningless, red is red, so why should I care which red I picked first?). _________________

PhD in Applied Mathematics Love GMAT Quant questions and running.

Re: A jar contains 6 Magenta balls [#permalink]
09 Aug 2013, 21:26

[/quote]

Eva, Sorry to open this old thread. But, in this post : math-combinatorics-87345.html , the poster has mentioned that "Number of ways to pick 0 or more objects from n identical objects = n + 1" -- Hence, the number of ways to pick 2 balls out of say 5 identical balls must NOT be 5C2 -- Correct? Please help me.

thanks[/quote]

The wording "Number of ways to pick 0 or more objects from n identical objects = n + 1" is not clear. It is meant that from n identical objects, we can choose none (which is 0), 1, 2,..., or all n objects - therefore we have n+1 choices. For example, if we have 5 identical balls, we can choose 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 balls. We have a total of 5 + 1 choices.

Once we made up our mind how many balls we want to choose, say 2, then the number of possibilities to choose them is 5C2 = 5*4/2. Because, for the first ball 5 possibilities, for the second 4 possibilities, and then we have to divide by 2!, because the balls are identical, order doesn't matter (I would say it is meaningless, red is red, so why should I care which red I picked first?).[/quote]

Hi,

i have a small doubt in this.

This example of 5 balls and pick up 2 ball can be written as like this also right Probablity to take first ball is : 2/5 Probablity to take second ball: 1/4 so independent event = 2/5* 1/4= 1/10 which is reciprocal of wat u got. . is this correct answer.? i am trying to understand this in probablity ways/ pleas healp me

Re: A jar contains 6 Magenta balls, 3 Tan balls, 5 Gray balls [#permalink]
10 Aug 2013, 00:33

1

This post received KUDOS

voodoochild wrote:

A jar contains 6 Magenta balls, 3 Tan balls, 5 Gray balls and 7 Turquoise balls. Two balls are chosen from the jar. What is the probability that both balls chosen are Tan?

Don't we have to assume that the balls are identical? If they are, then the number of ways of choosing 2 Tan identical balls out of 3 tan balls = 1. Isn't it? If I assume that the balls are not withdrawn "at a time", OA is correct. However, how do I know whether the balls are withdrawn at a time or one by one?

Both balls are tan = 3/21 × 2/20 = 1/70 _________________

Asif vai.....

gmatclubot

Re: A jar contains 6 Magenta balls, 3 Tan balls, 5 Gray balls
[#permalink]
10 Aug 2013, 00:33

For my Cambridge essay I have to write down by short and long term career objectives as a part of the personal statement. Easy enough I said, done it...