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A medieval manuscript called L contains all eighteen extant [#permalink] New post 03 Jul 2008, 20:33
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A medieval manuscript called L contains all eighteen extant tragedies
by the Greek playwright Euripides. Of these, ten called the “select
plays,” are accompanied in L by ancient commentaries and also
appear in other medieval manuscripts; this group includes some of
Euripides’ best-known works, including the Medea. The other eight,
which appear in alphabetical order, without commentary. The Electra is
one of the alphabeticals.

Which of the following can be reliably concluded on the basis of the
Statements given?

A. Only Euripides’ best-known works are accompanied by ancient
commentaries in extant medieval manuscripts.

B. The select plays are accompanied by ancient commentaries
because they were the best known of Euripides’ works.

C. No commentaries were written about Euripides’ Electra in
ancient times.

D. Euripides’ Medea never appears in medieval manuscripts
unaccompanied by ancient commentary.

E. Euripides’ Electra does not appear accompanied by a commentary
in any extant medieval manuscript.
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 03 Jul 2008, 20:51
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A medieval manuscript called L contains all eighteen extant tragedies
by the Greek playwright Euripides. Of these, ten called the “select
plays,” are accompanied in L by ancient commentaries and also
appear in other medieval manuscripts; this group includes some of
Euripides’ best-known works, including the Medea. The other eight,
which appear in alphabetical order, without commentary. The Electra is
one of the alphabeticals.

Which of the following can be reliably concluded on the basis of the
Statements given?

A. Only Euripides’ best-known works are accompanied by ancient
commentaries in extant medieval manuscripts.

B. The select plays are accompanied by ancient commentaries
because they were the best known of Euripides’ works.

C. No commentaries were written about Euripides’ Electra in
ancient times.

D. Euripides’ Medea never appears in medieval manuscripts
unaccompanied by ancient commentary.

E. Euripides’ Electra does not appear accompanied by a commentary
in any extant medieval manuscript.


I went for D. D means Medea appears in medieval manuscripts accompanied by ancient commentary...which has been written a bit differently in the stem as "this group includes some of Euripides’ best-known works, including the Medea." Any other thoughts?
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 03 Jul 2008, 21:05
rpmodi wrote:
A medieval manuscript called L contains all eighteen extant tragedies
by the Greek playwright Euripides. Of these, ten called the “select
plays,” are accompanied in L by ancient commentaries and also
appear in other medieval manuscripts; this group includes some of
Euripides’ best-known works, including the Medea. The other eight,
which appear in alphabetical order, without commentary. The Electra is
one of the alphabeticals.

Which of the following can be reliably concluded on the basis of the
Statements given?

A. Only Euripides’ best-known works are accompanied by ancient
commentaries in extant medieval manuscripts.

B. The select plays are accompanied by ancient commentaries
because they were the best known of Euripides’ works.

C. No commentaries were written about Euripides’ Electra in
ancient times.

D. Euripides’ Medea never appears in medieval manuscripts
unaccompanied by ancient commentary.

E. Euripides’ Electra does not appear accompanied by a commentary
in any extant medieval manuscript.


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Using the chart , I can conclude all except E are not TRUE.
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 03 Jul 2008, 21:14
rpmodi wrote:
A medieval manuscript called L contains all eighteen extant tragedies
by the Greek playwright Euripides. Of these, ten called the “select
plays,” are accompanied in L by ancient commentaries and also
appear in other medieval manuscripts; this group includes some of
Euripides’ best-known works, including the Medea. The other eight,
which appear in alphabetical order, without commentary. The Electra is
one of the alphabeticals.

Which of the following can be reliably concluded on the basis of the
Statements given?

A. Only Euripides’ best-known works are accompanied by ancient
commentaries in extant medieval manuscripts.

B. The select plays are accompanied by ancient commentaries
because they were the best known of Euripides’ works.

C. No commentaries were written about Euripides’ Electra in
ancient times.

D. Euripides’ Medea never appears in medieval manuscripts
unaccompanied by ancient commentary.

E. Euripides’ Electra does not appear accompanied by a commentary
in any extant medieval manuscript.


IMO B on this (B and D were in contention for the correct answer)
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Question in my words :- L contains 18 titles. out of this 10 are featured in L with commenteries and also appear in other texts (Medea is included here). out of the 18, 8 are in alphabetica order and contain Electra. we need to find the conclusion for this.

A. Only Euripides’ best-known works are accompanied by ancient commentaries in extant medieval manuscripts. (the stem no where implies this)
B. The select plays are accompanied by ancient commentaries because they were the best known of Euripides’ works. (arrived here by POE - we do not know what was the criteria for picking up the 10 titles (with commenteries) and putting it in L, at best we assume that these 10 plays were included in L because of their popularity)
C. No commentaries were written about Euripides’ Electra in ancient times. (again stem does not stay anything like that)
D. Euripides’ Medea never appears in medieval manuscripts unaccompanied by ancient commentary. (stem does not imply that, rather stem no where talks about whether these plays appear with or without commentry in other texts)
E. Euripides’ Electra does not appear accompanied by a commentary in any extant medieval manuscript. (we dont know if it were true, Electra might feature in other mediveal texts with commentry)

What is the OA for this
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 03 Jul 2008, 22:26
B for me...the others present extreme cases...
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 03 Jul 2008, 22:36
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B for me...the others present extreme cases...


B :The select plays are accompanied by ancient commentaries
because they were the best known of Euripides’ works.


Sunny, read the stimulus carefully. Only select plays in manuscrpit L are accompanied by commentaries.The other manuscript contains best work ,not manuscript L.
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 04 Jul 2008, 01:24
What is the OA for this
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 04 Jul 2008, 06:23
good chart - must be E
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 04 Jul 2008, 10:37
i think its B...not really sure why either..
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 04 Jul 2008, 10:40
upon re-reading..i think B is wrong..its E..

B is wrong because only SOME of the plays are considered his best work..not all the 10..
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 04 Jul 2008, 11:09
rpmodi wrote:
A medieval manuscript called L contains all eighteen extant tragedies
by the Greek playwright Euripides. Of these, ten called the “select
plays,” are accompanied in L by ancient commentaries and also
appear in other medieval manuscripts; this group includes some of
Euripides’ best-known works, including the Medea. The other eight,
which appear in alphabetical order, without commentary. The Electra is
one of the alphabeticals.

Which of the following can be reliably concluded on the basis of the
Statements given?

A. Only Euripides’ best-known works are accompanied by ancient
commentaries in extant medieval manuscripts.

B. The select plays are accompanied by ancient commentaries
because they were the best known of Euripides’ works.

C. No commentaries were written about Euripides’ Electra in
ancient times.

D. Euripides’ Medea never appears in medieval manuscripts
unaccompanied by ancient commentary.

E. Euripides’ Electra does not appear accompanied by a commentary
in any extant medieval manuscript.


First, there's nothing to suggest that the 'alphabeticals' do not also include some of Euripedes' best-known works. For all we know from the question, Electra might be the best known of Euripedes' plays. The 'select plays' only include "some of Euripides’ best-known works". A and B are out.

We only know that the 'select plays' have commentaries in manuscript L, so D is out.

C is a much stronger version of E. If C were true, E would be true as well, and the question cannot have two different answers which are both correct. By elimination, E ought to be correct.

Still, there's a logical flaw with this answer. The question tells us that the 'select plays' "are accompanied in L by ancient commentaries and also appear in other medieval manuscripts". The intended implication is that the alphabeticals, including Electra, neither have commentary in L, nor appear in other manuscripts- and thus do not appear with commentary in any manuscript. Logically, that's problematic. The 'select plays' are defined by two conditions: they appear in other manuscripts and have commentary in L. The 'alphabeticals' logically cannot satisfy both of these conditions; otherwise we'd call them 'select plays'. This does not mean that the alphabeticals do not satisfy one or the other of the two conditions. We know they do not have commentary in L, but that does not prevent them from appearing in other manuscripts, and perhaps having commentary in other manuscripts.

Either the question-designer messed this one up, or there was something in the original wording to better convey the intended meaning of the question. I would want to see the original wording here; "The other eight, which appear in alphabetical order, without commentary." is not a sentence.
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 04 Jul 2008, 11:33
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A medieval manuscript called L contains all eighteen extant tragedies
by the Greek playwright Euripides. Of these, ten called the “select
plays,” are accompanied in L by ancient commentaries and also
appear in other medieval manuscripts; this group includes some of
Euripides’ best-known works, including the Medea. The other eight,
which appear in alphabetical order, without commentary. The Electra is
one of the alphabeticals.

Which of the following can be reliably concluded on the basis of the
Statements given?

A. Only Euripides’ best-known works are accompanied by ancient
commentaries in extant medieval manuscripts.

B. The select plays are accompanied by ancient commentaries
because they were the best known of Euripides’ works.

C. No commentaries were written about Euripides’ Electra in
ancient times.

D. Euripides’ Medea never appears in medieval manuscripts
unaccompanied by ancient commentary.

E. Euripides’ Electra does not appear accompanied by a commentary
in any extant medieval manuscript.


First, there's nothing to suggest that the 'alphabeticals' do not also include some of Euripedes' best-known works. For all we know from the question, Electra might be the best known of Euripedes' plays. The 'select plays' only include "some of Euripides’ best-known works". A and B are out.

We only know that the 'select plays' have commentaries in manuscript L, so D is out.

C is a much stronger version of E. If C were true, E would be true as well, and the question cannot have two different answers which are both correct. By elimination, E ought to be correct.

Still, there's a logical flaw with this answer. The question tells us that the 'select plays' "are accompanied in L by ancient commentaries and also appear in other medieval manuscripts". The intended implication is that the alphabeticals, including Electra, neither have commentary in L, nor appear in other manuscripts- and thus do not appear with commentary in any manuscript. Logically, that's problematic. The 'select plays' are defined by two conditions: they appear in other manuscripts and have commentary in L. The 'alphabeticals' logically cannot satisfy both of these conditions; otherwise we'd call them 'select plays'. This does not mean that the alphabeticals do not satisfy one or the other of the two conditions. We know they do not have commentary in L, but that does not prevent them from appearing in other manuscripts, and perhaps having commentary in other manuscripts.

Either the question-designer messed this one up, or there was something in the original wording to better convey the intended meaning of the question. I would want to see the original wording here; "The other eight, which appear in alphabetical order, without commentary." is not a sentence.


No commentaries were written about Euripides’ Electra in
ancient times


>>>>We cannot conclude that No commentaries were written about Euripides’ Electra in
ancient times. The author is discussing only the L manuscript. In L the Electra doesnot have commentary. But we cannot conclude that other manuscripts will not have Electra with commnetaries
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Here's why....

A medieval manuscript called L contains all eighteen extant tragedies
by the Greek playwright Euripides. Of these, ten called the “select
plays,” are accompanied in L by ancient commentaries and also
appear in other medieval manuscripts; this group includes some of
Euripides’ best-known works, including the Medea. The other eight,
which appear in alphabetical order, without commentary. The Electra is
one of the alphabeticals.

Which of the following can be reliably concluded on the basis of the
Statements given?

A. Only Euripides’ best-known works are accompanied by ancient
commentaries in extant medieval manuscripts.

Too extreme
B. The select plays are accompanied by ancient commentaries
because they were the best known of Euripides’ works.

The people who wrote the commentaries at that point in time could or could not have possibly known which were the best known of Euripides’ works. Its not safe to conclude that they did.....
C. No commentaries were written about Euripides’ Electra in
ancient times.

Too extreme
D. Euripides’ Medea never appears in medieval manuscripts
unaccompanied by ancient commentary.

The plural medieval manuscripts is what makes this option wrong. Okay we have L where it is always accompanied by ancient commentary. What about Y and Z, do we know anything about them??....hmmm no
E. Euripides’ Electra does not appear accompanied by a commentary
in any extant medieval manuscript.

This is correct as it refers to particular manuscript in question and will always be true with respect to this manuscript (ie L)
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 04 Jul 2008, 14:26
Good Discussion :-) OA is E
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 04 Jul 2008, 15:42
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>>>>We cannot conclude that No commentaries were written about Euripides’ Electra in
ancient times. The author is discussing only the L manuscript. In L the Electra doesnot have commentary. But we cannot conclude that other manuscripts will not have Electra with commnetaries


I'm not sure why you quoted me above your remarks. I never suggested the answer should be C.
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 04 Jul 2008, 16:36
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>>>>We cannot conclude that No commentaries were written about Euripides’ Electra in
ancient times. The author is discussing only the L manuscript. In L the Electra doesnot have commentary. But we cannot conclude that other manuscripts will not have Electra with commnetaries


I'm not sure why you quoted me above your remarks. I never suggested the answer should be C.


C is a much stronger version of E. If C were true, E would be true as well, and the question cannot have two different answers which are both correct. By elimination, E ought to be correct.
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 04 Jul 2008, 21:05
It should be E.. Was this really brutal?
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 05 Jul 2008, 00:01
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IanStewart wrote:
goalsnr wrote:
>>>>We cannot conclude that No commentaries were written about Euripides’ Electra in
ancient times. The author is discussing only the L manuscript. In L the Electra doesnot have commentary. But we cannot conclude that other manuscripts will not have Electra with commnetaries


I'm not sure why you quoted me above your remarks. I never suggested the answer should be C.


C is a much stronger version of E. If C were true, E would be true as well, and the question cannot have two different answers which are both correct. By elimination, E ought to be correct.


Yes, exactly- which is why you can eliminate C as an answer choice without even reading the question stem.
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Re: Brutal CR [#permalink] New post 05 Jul 2008, 09:49
Perhaps this will help, one thing that has not been address in this forum is the meaning of the word "extent", in context of this passage extent means 'still existing', or 'not destroyed yet'. By saying 'all eighteen extent tragedies' we can conclude that Euripides produced only 18 tragedies that we know of, in fact I know this to be true anyway, Euripides only produced 18 tragedies no more no less, period. So choices that were eleminated as being too extreme, ie. using the words 'only' 'no' 'does not' 'never'...should not be hastily dismissed in light of the fact that we are dealing with his entire portfolio of tragedies.

Still, I find this question a little difficlut to hone in on the correct answer choice, I initially said B, because it mentions they were the 'best known', which makes sense because they have ancient commentries, 'ancient' implies 'way before', so they were definately well known. However, I later ruled B as incorrect because 'Electra' is singled out by the author, Electra must have been another famous tragedy that must have been well known otherwise why would the author mention it. It is then possible that Electra appears in other manuscripts with commentries.

This issue of 'Electra' being single out by the author rules out A as an option as well...

I'll get back you guys when I have some more insights...
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