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A newly discovered painting on wooden panel by Michelangelo [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2006, 10:35
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A newly discovered painting on wooden panel by Michelangelo must have been completed after 1507 but before 1509. It cannot have been painted earlier than 1507 because one of its central figures carries a coin that was not minted until that year. It cannot have been painted after 1509 because it contains a pigment that Michelangelo is known to have abandoned when a cheaper alternative became available in that year.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?


A) No stocks of the abandoned pigment existed after 1509.

B) Michelangelo did not work on the painting over the course of several years.

C) The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.

D) The wooden panel on which the painting was executed cannot be tested accurately for age.

E) Michelangelo's painting style did not change between 1507 and 1509.
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A newly discovered painting on wooden panel by Michelangelo [#permalink] New post 09 Nov 2009, 14:44
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A newly discovered painting on wooden panel by Michelangelo must have been completed after 1507 but before 1509. It cannot have been painted earlier than 1507 because one of its central figures carries a coin that was not minted until that year. It cannot have been painted after 1509 because it contains a pigment that Michelangelo is known to have abandoned when a cheaper alternative became available in that year.


Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
No stocks of the abandoned pigment existed after 1509.
Michelangelo did not work on the painting over the course of several years.
The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.
The wooden panel on which the painting was executed cannot be tested accurately for age.
Michelangelo's painting style did not change between 1507 and 1509.
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Re: Michelangelo da Vinci [#permalink] New post 09 Nov 2009, 16:38
Answer is B.

No stocks of the abandoned pigment existed after 1509.
Michelangelo decided not to use the abandoned pigment in 1509 anyway so whether there is stock or not is irrelevant.

Michelangelo did not work on the painting over the course of several years.
The conclusion states that the painting was completed in the timeframe from 1507 to 1509. If we negate the above statement then the argument falls apart. Hence the argument depends on this.

The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.
What the general public knows is out of scope.

The wooden panel on which the painting was executed cannot be tested accurately for age.
The argument doesn’t rely on testing of the wooden panel. It relies on assumptions based on the content and pigment used in the painting,

Michelangelo's painting style did not change between 1507 and 1509.
The style of his paintings are not really an issue because the argument depends on content and paint.
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Re: Michelangelo da Vinci [#permalink] New post 09 Nov 2009, 17:36
I'll go with A
(actually I was looking for a option which says that the coin was not launched after the painting got popular :) )

No stocks of the abandoned pigment existed after 1509.
- Michelangelo abandoned the pigment used to make the paint (not the paint) because cheaper version was available. There is no mention that he stopped using the existing stock. If he has spent a lot making a stock of paint, he'll use that

Michelangelo did not work on the painting over the course of several years.
Statement says that it was completed in 1508. But no mention of how long he worked on it
The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.
this will weaken the basis for "after 1507" so cannot be an assumption
The wooden panel on which the painting was executed cannot be tested accurately for age.
no direct relation with the painting if the wooden panel has been changed over the course of time
Michelangelo's painting style did not change between 1507 and 1509.
I guess if his painting style changes, the transition maybe visible in this painting and can be another basis for the statement, but no change in painting style doesn't fit as an assumption in this case
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Re: Michelangelo da Vinci [#permalink] New post 10 Nov 2009, 01:19
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A newly discovered painting on wooden panel by Michelangelo must have been completed after 1507 but before 1509. It cannot have been painted earlier than 1507 because one of its central figures carries a coin that was not minted until that year. It cannot have been painted after 1509 because it contains a pigment that Michelangelo is known to have abandoned when a cheaper alternative became available in that year.


Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
No stocks of the abandoned pigment existed after 1509.
Michelangelo did not work on the painting over the course of several years.
The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.
The wooden panel on which the painting was executed cannot be tested accurately for age.
Michelangelo's painting style did not change between 1507 and 1509.



Straight to B here.

My reasoning is:

The two premises in the argument (coin and pigment) in fact illustrates that Michelangelo WAS WORKING under his painting between 1507-1509. He used some items (coin and pigment) which indicate about certain period of time. But argument says nothing about other items.

The conclusion is - Michelangelo COMPLETED (not was in a process) his painting in a certain period.

Consider this. He started painting in 1505, then in 1506 he kept painting, then in 1507 he kept painting and used a COIN, then in 1508 kept painting and used PIGMENT, but kept painting after 1509, and could COMPLETE it in 1510, for example.

B clearly states that he didn't work on painting for several years - means he completed work at the same year he started.

Hence, with B we can conclude that work was completed btw 1507 and 1509.

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Re: Michelangelo da Vinci [#permalink] New post 10 Nov 2009, 01:30
If Michelangelo did work on the painting over the course of several years. Then Michelangelo could have painted the coin after 1507 but this may not be true for the painting as a whole. Similarly pigment that Michelangelo is know to have abandoned when a cheaper alternative became available in 1509, does establish that painting was completed before 1509, but does not establish it was started after 1507

So IMO the answer is B
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Re: Michelangelo da Vinci [#permalink] New post 10 Nov 2009, 12:10
This is totally confusing to me... he could have worked on it from 1500 - 1509, adding the coin in 1507 and stopping work before the pigment was abandoned. Why not?

I chose A because it seemed the least illogical... I welcome another viewpoint though!!
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Re: Michelangelo da Vinci [#permalink] New post 10 Nov 2009, 14:46
A newly discovered painting on wooden panel by Michelangelo must have been completed after 1507 but before 1509. It cannot have been painted earlier than 1507 because one of its central figures carries a coin that was not minted until that year. It cannot have been painted after 1509 because it contains a pigment that Michelangelo is known to have abandoned when a cheaper alternative became available in that year.


Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
No stocks of the abandoned pigment existed after 1509.
It clearly states in the passage that he abandoned when a cheaper alternative became available
Michelangelo did not work on the painting over the course of several years.
Is the right answer coz the statement says "must have been completed" thus bringing in ambiguity which is clarified in this statement
The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.
Already stated in the argument
The wooden panel on which the painting was executed cannot be tested accurately for age.
Irrelevant as the wooden panel not in question here
Michelangelo's painting style did not change between 1507 and 1509.
Irrelevant as his style is not being questioned here
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Re: Michelangelo da Vinci [#permalink] New post 10 Nov 2009, 15:00
Hmm I think I get it now. The author says the painting "must have been completed" and then discusses that it "cannot have been painted" before and after 1507. Painted does not equal completed... UNLESS you assume it was only worked on for 1 year.
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Re: Michelangelo da Vinci [#permalink] New post 11 Nov 2009, 14:22
We have two details to focus on:
1) Why it was not earlier than 1507 --> one coin that was painted started to be minted since 1507
2) Why it was not later than 1509 --> the paint used was expensive and an alternative paint was available. Michelangelo surely preferred the cheaper one


We have to ask ourselves:
1) Did he know the design of the coin before it was released?
2) Did he had a stock of paint large enough to not need to buy more paint cans before 1509?

I was between A and C.
But C is not enough: even if the coin was not known to the "public", Michelangelo still could have seen this coin before it was released to public

so A is my answer.
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Re: Michelangelo da Vinci [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2009, 20:02
I ran into this Q in MGMAT test and realized that the OA hasn't been posted here...

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is correct. In order to conclude that the painting must have been completed before 1509 on the basis of the pigment, we must assume that he did not begin the painting before 1509 using the old pigment and complete the painting after 1509 with the new pigment.

The conclusion of the argument is that Michelangelo must have completed the painting between 1507 and 1509. The basis for that claim is that the painting depicts a coin that did not exist before 1507 and that it contains a pigment that Michelangelo ceased using in 1509. We are asked to find an assumption that completes the logic of this argument.

Choice A is incorrect. We do not need to assume that no stocks of the pigment existed after 1509. The argument is concerned only with the year in which Michelangelo stopped using the pigment. :(
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Re: Michelangelo da Vinci [#permalink] New post 29 Nov 2009, 01:06
IMO C have to assume coin came to public in 1507 and the painter is a common man (not that he can see it before others can)

watss the OA ??
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Re: Michelangelo da Vinci [#permalink] New post 29 Nov 2009, 03:05
What if MichaelAngelo knew the coin design before 1507 ?
This makes it possible that the painting could have been started before 1507 weakening the argument .
Isn't it ?
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A newly discovered painting on wooden panel by Michelangelo [#permalink] New post 16 Dec 2010, 22:34
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A newly discovered painting on wooden panel by Michelangelo must have been completed after 1507 but before 1509. It cannot have been painted earlier than 1507 because one of its central figures carries a coin that was not minted until that year. It cannot have been painted after 1509 because it contains a pigment that Michelangelo is known to have abandoned when a cheaper alternative became available in that year.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
No stocks of the abandoned pigment existed after 1509.
Michelangelo did not work on the painting over the course of several years.
The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.
The wooden panel on which the painting was executed cannot be tested accurately for age.
Michelangelo's painting style did not change between 1507 and 1509.
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Re: A newly discovered painting on wooden panel [#permalink] New post 17 Dec 2010, 10:36
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A newly discovered painting on wooden panel by Michelangelo must have been completed after 1507 but before 1509. It cannot have been painted earlier than 1507 because one of its central figures carries a coin that was not minted until that year. It cannot have been painted after 1509 because it contains a pigment that Michelangelo is known to have abandoned when a cheaper alternative became available in that year.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
No stocks of the abandoned pigment existed after 1509.
Michelangelo did not work on the painting over the course of several years.
The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.
The wooden panel on which the painting was executed cannot be tested accurately for age.
Michelangelo's painting style did not change between 1507 and 1509.


Let's begin with finding the conclusion. The conclusion is at the beginning of the stimulus "A newly discovered painting on wooden panel by Michelangelo must have been completed after 1507 but before 1509."
The reason of how the author came to that conclusion (evidence) is given in the next two sentences. The 1st reason being that a central figure carried a coin that was not minted until the year 1507. The second being that the painting contained a pigment that Michelangelo abandoned when a cheaper alternative became available.

Question is: He may have abandoned that pigment when he made his other paintings but did he abandon the pigment he had while he was working on this particular piece of work?

He may have completed his painting on a wooden panel but it may have taken him a while before he finished it using that pigment that he later abandoned for his later works.

Hence, your answer: B

That's my spin on it anyway. HTH
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Re: A newly discovered painting on wooden panel [#permalink] New post 22 Mar 2011, 20:38
If you negate the assumption "Michelangelo did not work on the painting over the course of several years." as :

"Michelangelo worked on the painting over the course of several years.", the argument falls apart.

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Re: A newly discovered painting on wooden panel [#permalink] New post 22 Mar 2011, 21:56
Let me put this quantitatively
1507<x<1509 hence on the numberline x cannot takes values beyond 1507 and 1509. I can infer M did not do touch this painting for couple of years x<= 1507 and x>=1509

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Re: A newly discovered painting on wooden panel [#permalink] New post 22 Mar 2011, 22:12
No stocks of the abandoned pigment existed after 1509.: Regardless of the stock of the pigment existed or not, if Michelangelo abandoned this pigment in 1509 as stated as a fact in the question statement, we know that he wouldnt have used the pigment after 1509. Author doesnt need this assumption to support his statement, as he presents its implication- michelangelo not using the pigment after 1509- as a known fact
Michelangelo did not work on the painting over the course of several years.He could have started the painiting before 1507, painted the 1507 coin during that time and could have used the pigment in/till 1509 and could have contnued painting it without that particular pigment after 1509 for several years! If Michelangelo painted this painting over several years, the facts given in question statement seem to be of no value to predict the timing of this painting. Hence Author's claim stands a chance only on the basis of given assumption. Correct option.
The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.The coin was released in 1507, so this statement is irrelevant, if the statement said that the coin was known to general public in say 1497- then we can say that Michelangelo might have painted it without/before the coin being minted. But the assumption is of no value because of the year it claims.
The wooden panel on which the painting was executed cannot be tested accurately for age.Wooden panel being used for estimating age is not used by author as an argument
Michelangelo's painting style did not change between 1507 and 1509just as D, paiting style is not used as an argument by the author. so cant be usaed as an assumption.
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Michelangelo [#permalink] New post 01 Jun 2011, 01:17
A newly discovered painting on wooden panel by Michelangelo must have been completed after 1507 but before 1509. It cannot have been painted earlier than 1507 because one of its central figures carries a coin that was not minted until that year. It cannot have been painted after 1509 because it contains a pigment that Michelangelo is known to have abandoned when a cheaper alternative became available in that year.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

a. No stocks of the abandoned pigment existed after 1509.
b. Michelangelo did not work on the painting over the course of several years.
c. The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.
d. The wooden panel on which the painting was executed cannot be tested accurately for age.
e. Michelangelo's painting style did not change between 1507 and 1509.

The correct answer does not makes sense to me. Please help.
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Re: Michelangelo [#permalink] New post 01 Jun 2011, 02:44
The rreasoning behind answer choice b is that if Michelangelo had worked on the painting for several years he could have used pigment for part of its painting while working on it before 1509 but completed the painting after 1509 w/o using said pigment anymore (i.e. using a different pigment)
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Re: Michelangelo [#permalink] New post 01 Jun 2011, 21:34
You had better use search engine and try to find this question, which has been discussed before. The same for other questions.

to find a correct answer in assumption question, you have to negate the answer. If it weakens the argument, than the answer is correct.

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