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Here is my take on this question. My answer is D.
I'll solve this with examples. Below is the movement of each cocks based on 12:00 noon as a reference.

Clock #1 moves from 12:00 to 1:00
Clock #2 moves from 12:00 to 1:15
Clock #3 moves from 12:00 to 12:55
Clock #4 moves from 12:00 to 1:15
Note - movement of Clock #2 and Clock #4 are same that makes life easier.

Time in each Clock at actual 6:00 pm that same day -
Clock #1 moves from 12:00 to 4:30
Clock #2 moves from 12:00 to 6:00
Clock #3 moves from 12:00 to 12:55 (Desb't matter)
Clock #4 moves from 12:00 to 6:00

Based on the calculation above. My answer is D.
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Thanks Capricorn369. Please see explanation from Karishma and Blink 005. Answer is A.
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My way is identical to Karishma's.
(1) 3/4 speed
(2) 4/3 speed

let s = speed of clock
1) 3/4s
2) (3/4)(5/4)s = 15/16s
3) (15/16)(2/3)s = 5/8s
4) (5/8)(4/3)s = 5/6s

so 5/6s * 6 = 5 o'clock
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Thanks Capricorn369. Please see explanation from Karishma and Blink 005. Answer is A.


@enigma123 - Thanks for responding. My assumption were incorrect and i'm convinced that answer should be A.
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cleverly written problem, I was also confused by the (i.e., as Clock #1 moves from 12:00 to 1:00, Clock #2 moves from 12:00 to 1:15), as this seems to indicate that Clock #2 properly offsets Clock #1's 15min/hr loss and displays the the real time

however, the 15 minutes clock 1 loses is relative to an hour of real time and not an hour of clock 1's distorted time. So when it reads 1:00 on clock 1, it is not 1:15 in real time, but rather 1:20 --> RT/C1 = (1m)/(3/4m) --> RT = C1(4/3)

So for D to be correct, it would have to read something like as Clock #1 moves from 12:00 to 12:45, Clock #2 moves from 12:00 to 1, etc etc
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Does such questions appear on actual Gmat test ?
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Does such questions appear on actual Gmat test ?


There is nothing out of the ordinary in this question. It is based on relative speed concepts so you should know how to do it.
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A not-so-good clockmaker has four clocks on display in the window. Clock #1 loses 15 minutes every hour. Clock #2 gains 15 minutes every hour relative to Clock #1 (i.e., as Clock #1 moves from 12:00 to 1:00, Clock #2 moves from 12:00 to 1:15). Clock #3 loses 20 minutes every hour relative to Clock #2. Finally, Clock #4 gains 20 minutes every hour relative to Clock #3. If the clockmaker resets all four clocks to the correct time at 12 noon, what time will Clock #4 display after 6 actual hours (when it is actually 6:00 pm that same day)?

A)5:00
B)5:34
C)5:42
D)6:00
E)6:24

Guys - again the official answer is not provided. But I have done the Maths to get D. Do you think D is the right answer? Can someone explain to me if you think D is not the right answer?


Here is my approach to such problems:

1. Loses 15 mins every hour (i.e. 60 mins) means the clock's speed is a fourth less than the normal speed. So the clock's speed is (3/4)th the normal speed. It covers only 45 mins in the time in which a correct clock covers 60 mins.
2. Gains 20 mins every hour means the clock's speed is a third more than normal speed. So the clock's speed is (4/3) times the normal speed. It covers 1 hr 20 mins in the time in which a correct clock covers 1 hr.

Let speed of a correct clock = s
Speed of clock 1 = (3/4)s
Speed of clock 2 = (3/4)s * (5/4) = (15/16)s
Speed of clock 3 = (15/16)s * (2/3) = (5/8)s
Speed of clock 4 = (5/8)s * (4/3) = (5/6)s

Speed of the fourth clock is (5/6)th the normal speed. If a correct covers 6 hrs, the fourth clock will cover 5 hrs. Hence, the time shown will be 5:00 pm


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how did you get (5/4) for the speed of clock 2?

I understand that clock 1 looses 15 min every hour hence 3/4s
Clock 2 gains 20 mins every hour . hence 4/3 s ?


We are given that "Clock #2 gains 15 minutes every hour relative to Clock #1"

This means that if the speed of clock 1 is s1, the speed of clock 2 is s1 + s1/4 (i.e. clock 2 covers 15 extra mins for every 60 mins covered by clock 1). This gives us that speed of clock 2 is 5s1/4.

Since the speed of clock 1 itself is 3s/4, the speed of clock 2 will be (5/4)*(3s/4) = 15s/16
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Hi all can ull help me in clarifying this doubt?
I think for clock 1: is losing 15 min means it will show 45 min instead of 1hr but for clock 2 which given in relation with with and mentioned in the question as well it is 15 min ahead of clock 1 and not the real time.
So inf the question mentioned as (clock #1 moves from 12:00 to 12:45,clock2# moves from 12:00 to 1:00) this example considers actual 1 hour

Questionz example (clock#1 moves from 12:00 to 1:00, clock2# from from 12:00 to 1.15) this shows that actual for clock 1 is 1.15 as it loses 15 min every hour and thus implies clock 2 is on time.

Same logic for clock 3 & 4

Hence practically ans marked as A could be a miss print, since we never consider the probability of a miss print, leaving clock 4 # with ans D in opinion.

Please clarify if i have missed any point?
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60 minutes x [(3/4)(5/4)(2/3)(4/3)]=60(5/6)=50 minutes
clock 4 loses 10 minutes per hour➡1 hour per 6 hours
at actual 6:00pm clock 4 will show 5:00pm
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Actual time 06:00 pm

Clock 1 (losses 15 mins/hr relative to actual time) shows : 04:30 pm

Clock 2 (gains 15 mins/hr relative to clock 1) shows : 04:30 pm + (4x15 + (15/2) = 67.5 mins) = 05:37.5 pm

Clock 3 (losses 20 mins/hr relative to clock 2) shows : 05:37.5 pm - (5x20 + [(1/3)x37.5= 12.5] = 112.5 mins) = 03:45 pm

Clock 4 (gains 20 mins/hr relative to clock 3) shows : 03:45 + (3x20 + [(1/3)x45= 15] = 75 mins) = 05:00 pm

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A not-so-good clockmaker has four clocks on display in the window. Clock #1 loses 15 minutes every hour. Clock #2 gains 15 minutes every hour relative to Clock #1 (i.e., as Clock #1 moves from 12:00 to 1:00, Clock #2 moves from 12:00 to 1:15). Clock #3 loses 20 minutes every hour relative to Clock #2. Finally, Clock #4 gains 20 minutes every hour relative to Clock #3. If the clockmaker resets all four clocks to the correct time at 12 noon, what time will Clock #4 display after 6 actual hours (when it is actually 6:00 pm that same day)?

A. 5:00
B. 5:34
C. 5:42
D. 6:00
E. 6:24

Solution:

When it is actually 6:00 pm, Clock #1 will display 4:30pm because this clock loses 15 minutes for each hour, and in six hours, it will lose 6 x 15 = 90 minutes. Notice that we find 4:30 pm if we go back 90 minutes = 1.5 hours from 6:00 pm.

When Clock #1 is displaying 4:30pm (i.e. when Clock #1 moved a total of 4.5 hours), Clock #2 will have gained 4.5 * 15 = 9/2 * 15 = 67.5 minutes relative to Clock #1. Thus, Clock #2 will display 4:30 + 67.5 minutes = 5:30 + 7.5 minutes = 5:37:30.

We see that Clock #2 moved a total of 5 hours + 37.5 minutes = 337.5 minutes. Since Clock #3 loses 20 minutes every hour relative to Clock #2, Clock #3 will have lost (337.5/60) * 20 = 337.5/3 = 112.5 minutes. Thus, Clock #3 will have moved 337.5 - 112.5 = 225 minutes = 3 hours 45 minutes. Thus, it will display 12 pm + 3 hours 45 minutes = 3:45 pm.

Finally, when Clock #3 moved 3 hours 45 minutes, Clock #4 will have gained 3 hr 45 min * 20 = 15/4 * 20 = 75 minutes relative to Clock #3. Thus, Clock #4 will display 3:45 pm + 75 minutes = 5:00 pm.

Answer: A
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Here is my approach to such problems:

1. Loses 15 mins every hour (i.e. 60 mins) means the clock's speed is a fourth less than the normal speed. So the clock's speed is (3/4)th the normal speed. It covers only 45 mins in the time in which a correct clock covers 60 mins.
2. Gains 20 mins every hour means the clock's speed is a third more than normal speed. So the clock's speed is (4/3) times the normal speed. It covers 1 hr 20 mins in the time in which a correct clock covers 1 hr.

Let speed of a correct clock = s
Speed of clock 1 = (3/4)s
Speed of clock 2 = (3/4)s * (5/4) = (15/16)s
Speed of clock 3 = (15/16)s * (2/3) = (5/8)s
Speed of clock 4 = (5/8)s * (4/3) = (5/6)s

Speed of the fourth clock is (5/6)th the normal speed. If a correct covers 6 hrs, the fourth clock will cover 5 hrs. Hence, the time shown will be 5:00 pm


shouldn't it be 1/3 instead of 2/3 VeritasKarishma ?
cause clock three losses 20 minutes out of 60 minutes
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Starting with Clock 1:
For every 1 hour that passes—————-> loses - 1/4 hour

For 6 hours that pass—————-> loses -(1/4) * 6 = -(3/2)hr

Actual hours that pass on Clock 1:
(6 hours) - (3/2 hr) = (12/2) - (3/2) = 9/2 hours pass on Clock 1


Clock 2:
For every 1 hour that passes on Clock 1 ———-> Gains +(1/4) hour

9/2 hours pass on Clock 1 ———> Gains (9/2) * (1/4) = +(9/8) hr

Hours that Pass on Clock 2 = (9/2) + (9/8) = (36/8) + (9/8) = 45/8 hours pass on Clock 2


Clock 3:
For every 1 hour that passes on Clock 2 ———-> Loses - (1/3) hour

45/8 hours pass on Clock 2 ———> Losses (45/8) * (1/3) = -(15/8) hr

Hours that Pass on Clock 3 = (45/8) - (15/8) = 30/8 hours pass on Clock 3



Clock 4:
For every 1 hour that passes on Clock 3 ———-> Gain +1/3 hour

30/8 hours pass on Clock 3 ——-> Gains (30/8) * (1/3) = +(10/8) hr

Hours that pass on Clock 4 = (30/8) + (10/8) = (40/8) = 5 hours pass



Clock 4 is set at 12 Noon

+ 5 hours pass
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5:00 PM

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Here is my approach to such problems:

1. Loses 15 mins every hour (i.e. 60 mins) means the clock's speed is a fourth less than the normal speed. So the clock's speed is (3/4)th the normal speed. It covers only 45 mins in the time in which a correct clock covers 60 mins.
2. Gains 20 mins every hour means the clock's speed is a third more than normal speed. So the clock's speed is (4/3) times the normal speed. It covers 1 hr 20 mins in the time in which a correct clock covers 1 hr.

Let speed of a correct clock = s
Speed of clock 1 = (3/4)s
Speed of clock 2 = (3/4)s * (5/4) = (15/16)s
Speed of clock 3 = (15/16)s * (2/3) = (5/8)s
Speed of clock 4 = (5/8)s * (4/3) = (5/6)s

Speed of the fourth clock is (5/6)th the normal speed. If a correct covers 6 hrs, the fourth clock will cover 5 hrs. Hence, the time shown will be 5:00 pm


shouldn't it be 1/3 instead of 2/3 VeritasKarishma ?
cause clock three losses 20 minutes out of 60 minutes


hkkat: Clock 3 loses 20 min out of 60 means it covers only 40 mins when it should cover 60 mins. So its speed is only (2/3)rd of the speed of a correct clock.
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Is there any way to do this by listing out the times for every hour?

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