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A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses [#permalink] New post 24 Mar 2011, 16:54
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A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.

A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns have been
D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns are
E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals' horns have been

OA C

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I know that D and E can be rejected because of usage of "if"

Among A, B and C, B and A are rejected for lack of antecedents. I am not looking for the correct answer. I want to understand why "horns have been" is a correct usage. In other words, via is present perfect better than present tense ("are trimmed")


Any help is appreciated.
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Re: og rc # 75 [#permalink] New post 24 Mar 2011, 17:28
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A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.

A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns have been
D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns are
E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals' horns have been

OA C

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I know that D and E can be rejected because of usage of "if"
Yes this is correct. whether > if on gmat

Among A, B and C, B and A are rejected for lack of antecedents. YES I am not looking for the correct answer. I want to understand why "horns have been" is a correct usage. In other words, via is present perfect better than present tense ("are trimmed")The bigger issue here is whose horns - so the possessive "animals' horns" makes it clear whose horns we are talking about. "their" does not have clear antecedent in A and B


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That doesnt answer my question. Can anyone please help me to understand why present perfect works here and not present tense ?

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Re: og rc # 75 [#permalink] New post 24 Mar 2011, 17:40
The proposal is still in effect (still true) from the past. Hence present perfect.
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Re: og rc # 75 [#permalink] New post 24 Mar 2011, 19:25
gmat1220 wrote:
The proposal is still in effect (still true) from the past. Hence present perfect.



I am sorry - I was referring to "animals' horns have been" vs "animals are". Thanks for your help. Appreciate it.

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The difference between ‘have been trimmed’ and ‘are trimmed’ is that trimming is a one –time job and not a daily chore. An event that was done in the past and which or whose effect is still carried through the present will have to be expressed in present perfect, while daily chores will have to be verbed with just present tense. So 'have been trimmed' is the preferred expression
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I know that D and E can be rejected because of usage of "if"
Yes this is correct. whether > if on gmat

I disagree with gmat1220 with his reasoning here; sorry no-offense. AFAIK here IF is WRONG! There is no question of whether>if. That might be true in general, but I think here IF is just blatantly wrong.

As far as I understood, if is ONLY used for condition and CAN'T be used for QUESTIONS!

Experts, please let me know if you disagree with me.

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The difference between ‘have been trimmed’ and ‘are trimmed’ is that trimming is a one –time job and not a daily chore. An event that was done in the past and which or whose effect is still carried through the present will have to be expressed in present perfect, while daily chores will have to be verbed with just present tense. So 'have been trimmed' is the preferred expression


Thanks for the reasoning. This clarifies the same doubt I had.
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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses [#permalink] New post 21 Jan 2013, 12:22
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A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.

A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns have been
D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns are
E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals' horns have been

In this question the OG says that "see" should be " to see" because it is parallel to " to visit", is it possible that in "to see" TO is understood and therefore it isn't shown?
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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses [#permalink] New post 21 Jan 2013, 23:00
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A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.

A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns have been
D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns are
E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals' horns have been

In this question the OG says that "see" should be " to see" because it is parallel to " to visit", is it possible that in "to see" TO is understood and therefore it isn't shown?

AND in between is making two separate lists i.e whether tourists will continue 1) to visit games parks and 2) to see rhinoceroses after their horns....
whereas they both are dependent as conveyed through the logical meaning i.e to visit games parks to see ..............
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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses [#permalink] New post 22 Jan 2013, 01:54
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AND in between is making two separate lists i.e whether tourists will continue 1) to visit games parks and 2) to see rhinoceroses after their horns....
whereas they both are dependent as conveyed through the logical meaning i.e to visit games parks to see ..............


So are you saying that with AND between the verbs you cannot use an elipses in the second infinite verb and then you have to write TO VISIT and TO SEE without delete the second TO?!
Thank you for the explanation!!
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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses [#permalink] New post 22 Jan 2013, 05:04
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AND in between is making two separate lists i.e whether tourists will continue 1) to visit games parks and 2) to see rhinoceroses after their horns....
whereas they both are dependent as conveyed through the logical meaning i.e to visit games parks to see ..............


So are you saying that with AND between the verbs you cannot use an elipses in the second infinite verb and then you have to write TO VISIT and TO SEE without delete the second TO?!
Thank you for the explanation!!

No i am saying to visit games parks to see( there is no and because to visit and see makes two separate lists whereas the logical meaning conveys one thing, which can be better conveyed using to visit to see
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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses [#permalink] New post 04 Feb 2013, 14:47
visit and see

is similar to

see and visit

this case is not logical

is must be
visit to see.

we can change the order of do1 and do2, to see which case is correct.
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Let us make a 2/3 split on this.

If V/S Whether-

'whether' is used to indicate multiple or single possibilities

'If' is used to indicate a condition


Ex1- Roger cant decide whether to play tennis or football
Ex2- Roger will play if he is fit.

So, A,b,C remain. A and B there is some ambiguity. Choose C
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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses [#permalink] New post 08 Jan 2014, 07:16
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A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.

A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns have been
D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns are
E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals' horns have been

OA C


First, I figured "whether" is wrong, but then I ignored that thought.

"Their" in A is ambiguous, "one" in B is ambiguous, "are" in D distorts meaning, it should be "have been". "One" in E is ambiguous, and C has no major problems, other than my issue with "whether". So I went with C.
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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses [#permalink] New post 13 Feb 2014, 11:37
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A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.

A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns have been
D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns are
E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals' horns have been

OA C

All:
I know that D and E can be rejected because of usage of "if"

Among A, B and C, B and A are rejected for lack of antecedents. I am not looking for the correct answer. I want to understand why "horns have been" is a correct usage. In other words, via is present perfect better than present tense ("are trimmed")


Any help is appreciated.


Hi e-gmat,

Please can you explain why option A is wrong. I think there is nothing wrong when their refers to plural Rhinoceroces.
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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses [#permalink] New post 14 Feb 2014, 08:23
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A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.

A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns have been
D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns are
E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals' horns have been

OA C

All:
I know that D and E can be rejected because of usage of "if"

Among A, B and C, B and A are rejected for lack of antecedents. I am not looking for the correct answer. I want to understand why "horns have been" is a correct usage. In other words, via is present perfect better than present tense ("are trimmed")


Any help is appreciated.


Hi e-gmat,

Please can you explain why option A is wrong. I think there is nothing wrong when their refers to plural Rhinoceroces.


Hi there,

Usually, when a pronoun begins a clause, it refers to the subject of the previous clause. In this context, the subject of the previous clause is "tourists". So, even though the logical antecedent of the pronoun "they" can't be "tourists", it's better to replace the pronoun with the noun that it should refer to.

As we point out in our SC1 live session, pronoun ambiguity is sometimes considered an error on the GMAT, but sometimes an ambiguous pronoun can be in the correct answer. So, we encourage you not to use pronoun ambiguity as the only criterion to eliminate an answer choice.

In this question, there is also another way to eliminate option A. Note the difference between "visit... and see" and "visit... to see". The intended meaning of the sentence is that tourists visit the zoo in order to see the rhinos. This meaning is correctly stated by using "to" rather than "and". The part before the semicolon also makes it clear that the sentence is concerned only with rhinos, and that any other reason that tourists may visit the zoo is not part of the intended meaning of the sentence. So, "visit... to see" is correct.

I hope this helps to resolve your doubt.

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