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A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2013, 02:13
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A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.
(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
(B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns have been
(D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns are
(E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals’ horns have been


Can somebody please explain if option D had been like

"Whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns are"

would that be a correct option......what is the difference between "once the animals horns have been trimmed" and "once the animals horns are trimmed"
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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2013, 03:30
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A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.
(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
(B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns have been
(D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns are
(E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals’ horns have been


Can somebody please explain if option D had been like

"Whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns are"

would that be a correct option......what is the difference between "once the animals horns have been trimmed" and "once the animals horns are trimmed"


This is the case of a subjunctive mood. Subjunctive is used whenever it is wishful thinking, a command or a hypothetical situation. In this case, the horns have not yet been trimmed. It is a futuristic hypothetical situation. You use subjunctive with "were + simple past" or "has been". The second case showing an action in future which has been done in the past and continuing in the future (present when you move ahead of time and speak retrospectively). That's when we use present perfect.
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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2013, 05:21
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A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.
(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
(B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns have been
(D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns are
(E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals’ horns have been


Can somebody please explain if option D had been like

"Whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns are"

would that be a correct option......what is the difference between "once the animals horns have been trimmed" and "once the animals horns are trimmed"


Option C: Means tourist visit to game parks to see rhino.
Your version: Tourist visit park and see. Two different intentions

This is like : Raintrace will give GMAT and apply for MBA.
But the intended meaning should be: Raintrace will give GMAT to apply for MBA.

The intended meaning of the sentence : above sentence
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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2013, 06:06
ratinarace wrote:
A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.
(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
(B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns have been
(D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns are
(E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals’ horns have been


Can somebody please explain if option D had been like

"Whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns are"

would that be a correct option......what is the difference between "once the animals horns have been trimmed" and "once the animals horns are trimmed"


Correct Answer C

Choice D and E - incorrect "if" construction
Choice A and B - inappropriate pronoun reference
Choice D has incorrect verb tense as well

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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2013, 10:54
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ratinarace wrote:
A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.
(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
(B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns have been
(D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns are
(E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals’ horns have been


Can somebody please explain if option D had been like

"Whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns are"

would that be a correct option......what is the difference between "once the animals horns have been trimmed" and "once the animals horns are trimmed"


Option C: Means tourist visit to game parks to see rhino.
Your version: Tourist visit park and see. Two different intentions

This is like : Raintrace will give GMAT and apply for MBA.
But the intended meaning should be: Raintrace will give GMAT to apply for MBA.

The intended meaning of the sentence : above sentence


greatps....sorry there was a typo...I actually wanted to ask about the correctness of this sentnece

"Whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see once the animals horns are trimmed" I am curious about have been vs are part

PS : your version "rain trace" is too good to adopt as a username, but unfortunately it doesn't go well with my personality, which is more of a "rat...in....a...race" types :-D
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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2013, 12:29
First i pick a later understand but whats the difference between once the animals horns have been trimmed and once the animals horns are trimmed?Need help...............
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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2013, 21:58
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First i pick a later understand but whats the difference between once the animals horns have been trimmed and once the animals horns are trimmed?Need help...............


The tense of the verb "have been" and "are" changes the meaning of the sentence. Have been is a present perfect tense (passive voice), meaning the horns were trimmed at some unspecified past time, before the visitors came to visit, and the effect of the trimmed horns (rather horn less status) is existing now.

With "are" which states more of a fact (passive voice) and does not imply when the horns were trimmed and what effect continues at present

Its like:

The cars have been designed (effect in present, but action happened sometime before present)
The cars are designed (no reference of time and continuation of effect, rather just states a factual statement)

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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns [#permalink] New post 20 Mar 2013, 02:48
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ratinarace wrote:
A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.
(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
(B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns have been
(D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns are
(E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals’ horns have been


Can somebody please explain if option D had been like

"Whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns are"

would that be a correct option......what is the difference between "once the animals horns have been trimmed" and "once the animals horns are trimmed"


Option C: Means tourist visit to game parks to see rhino.
Your version: Tourist visit park and see. Two different intentions

This is like : Raintrace will give GMAT and apply for MBA.
But the intended meaning should be: Raintrace will give GMAT to apply for MBA.

The intended meaning of the sentence : above sentence


greatps....sorry there was a typo...I actually wanted to ask about the correctness of this sentnece

"Whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see once the animals horns are trimmed" I am curious about have been vs are part

PS : your version "rain trace" is too good to adopt as a username, but unfortunately it doesn't go well with my personality, which is more of a "rat...in....a...race" types :-D


We use perfect tense to show that the effect of an action is still valid (for the another action in the verb sequence. Therefore, "have been " is more appropriate here
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Re: A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses [#permalink] New post 24 Apr 2013, 12:03
Aproposal has been made to trim the horns from
rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is
whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and
see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.
(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game
parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
(B) whether tourists will continue to visit game
parks to see one once their horns are
(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game
parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals'
horns have been
(D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and
see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns are
(E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to
see one after the animals' horns have been

I have doubt how in option A "their" is ambiguous because it can't refer to tourists because their is followed by horns and tourists are human beings and they cant have horns,so "their" clearly refers to rhinos
secondly why the tense are trimmed is wrong...because it tourists will continue to come is future and are trimmed so clearly trimming is already done before tourists reach.

suggest where i am wrong
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