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# A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses

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30 Mar 2014, 18:21
I'm trying to understand significance and correctness of use of "one" in phrase "to see one after the animals' horns have been trimmed" in choice E. Sure the choice E don't sound as precise as option C. But what does "one" imply? It seems choice E says that tourists will continue to visit parks to see a rhinoceros (one of the many rhinoceroses) once the animals horns are trimmed. The phrase is generally used in spoken english. Is it correct?
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01 Apr 2014, 13:32
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I'm trying to understand significance and correctness of use of "one" in phrase "to see one after the animals' horns have been trimmed" in choice E. Sure the choice E don't sound as precise as option C. But what does "one" imply? It seems choice E says that tourists will continue to visit parks to see a rhinoceros (one of the many rhinoceroses) once the animals horns are trimmed. The phrase is generally used in spoken english. Is it correct?

Dear @dipsy001,

Thank you for posting this question. I believe you can arrive at the answer on your own. Just pay close attention to the original sentence.

A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.

Is the original sentence saying that the tourists will see 1 rhino or many rhinos in general?

Now look at your understanding of choice E (which by the way is correct!!). Do you think the two match?

Thus without getting into the grammatical nuances, you can eliminate choice E on the account of meaning shift from the original sentence

Hope this helps.

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01 Apr 2014, 21:34
Thanks for the explanation Payal! This totally makes sense.
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21 Jul 2014, 02:50
Is this grammatically correct ?

See those two girls. Helen is the one on the left.
here one should refer to girl.
but girl is not mentioned anywhere in the sentence.But girls is mentioned.

ravi's car broke down,so he walked back to the hotel.

here he has no referent.As ravi's car is mentioned but ravi is not mentioned.

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21 Jul 2014, 12:40
SidKaria wrote:
Is this grammatically correct ?

See those two girls. Helen is the one on the left.
here one should refer to girl.
but girl is not mentioned anywhere in the sentence.But girls is mentioned.

ravi's car broke down,so he walked back to the hotel.

here he has no referent.As ravi's car is mentioned but ravi is not mentioned.

Hi Sid,

Thanks for posting your doubt here.

Although the example that you have provided is way too colloquial for GMAT, your understanding of the usage of pronoun in this one is correct. When used as a pronoun, "one" like any other pronoun must have a clear antecedent and must also agree in number with its antecedent. Hence, example one does not stand.

Your analysis of the second example is also correct. "he" must refer to "Ravi". But there is no mention of "Ravi" in the sentence. "Ravi's" acts as an adjective and hence pronoun "he" cannot refer to that entity.

Hope this helps.
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22 Jul 2014, 01:20
so even if there would be no other flaws in option e)( A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals' horns have been ) i.e even if this would have been the intended meaning it would be incorrect.
Because there is no clear referent to "one".It should modify "rhinoceros" but rhinoceros is not mentioned in the sentence.

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Hi Sid,

Yes, the usage of "one" would still make Options B and E both incorrect even if these choices were free of other errors.

Hope this helps.
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22 Jul 2014, 22:49
SidKaria wrote:
ravi's car broke down,so he walked back to the hotel.

here he has no referent.As ravi's car is mentioned but ravi is not mentioned.

On a separate note, it is interesting to note that there are at least a couple of examples in OG, where the pronoun in question does not have any direct referent, but still GMAT considers it acceptable. So, GMAT seems to be permissive in this regard.

#109, OG-13:

Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea's aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

This is the correct answer, though there is no explicit referent of her. The silver lining is that all 5 answer choices use her, so you don't really have to choose an option based on this.
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SidKaria wrote:
ravi's car broke down,so he walked back to the hotel.

here he has no referent.As ravi's car is mentioned but ravi is not mentioned.

On a separate note, it is interesting to note that there are at least a couple of examples in OG, where the pronoun in question does not have any direct referent, but still GMAT considers it acceptable. So, GMAT seems to be permissive in this regard.

#109, OG-13:

Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea's aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

This is the correct answer, though there is no explicit referent of her. The silver lining is that all 5 answer choices use her, so you don't really have to choose an option based on this.

Hi there,

There is absolutely no problem and certainly no exception in this official question.

Please note that "her" is a Possessive Pronoun. Henec, it can very well refer to another Noun Entity in Poessessive form. This is the reason why all the answer choices use "her" because it clearly refers to the Noun Entity "Bona Dea's" that is in possessive case. In fact, Possessive Pronouns can also refer to non-possessive Noun entity in a sentence. For example:

Dia brought her dog to the exhibition. --> Here, "her" correctly refers to "Dia", a non-possessive Noun Entity.

OG13 Q#109 would have been incorrect if it had used the Pronoun "she" to refer to "Bona Dea's" because a non-possessive pronoun CANNOT refer to a Noun in Possessive Form.

Let's take a look at another official sentence where this usage is correct:

In her later poems, Phyllis Wheatley's blending of solar imagery, Judeo-Christian thought and figures, and images borrowed from ancient classicism suggests her range and depth of influences, not the least of which is her African heritage.

In this one, "her" refers to "Phyllis Whetley's", a Possesive Noun Entity. In fact, one of the answer choices uses the pronoun "she" and stands incorrect because "she", a non-possesive pronoun, CANNOT refer to possessive noun entity.

Hope this helps.
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There is absolutely no problem and certainly no exception in this official question.

Please note that "her" is a Possessive Pronoun.

Actually her is used as an object pronoun here and that's the issue.

So, an object pronoun is referring to a possessive noun.
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08 Nov 2014, 22:50
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21. A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.
(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
(B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns have been
(D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns are
(E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals’ horns have been

Thx

weather - means alternative
if - means condition
Here we will use weather.
So, A,B,C
A - and see - not specific - out
B- to see one once - awkwards
C- to see - correct :OA
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08 Nov 2014, 23:06
I agree with this, their logically refers to rhinos, their cannot refer to poachers,visitors since they cannot have their horns trimmed!!!!!

diehard4 wrote:
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Ok , here is what i feel

1 "their" is ambiguous ; pointing to rhino or people ??
2 same "their"
3 This makes sense (though wordy but conveys the meaning 'right')
4 ' If ' shud not be used
5 same as 4

ANS : 3

Is "their" ambiguous here since logically people can't have "horns" .I am confused should we think "logically" while making out pronoun referents ?
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Chose C. 'One' doesn't make sense in this context.
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Here, I could see everyone discussed about the pronoun issue, but I have one different doubt.

(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns have been

Option 'C' is correct as per OG..

It is mentioned as 'animals'' horn. here, term 'Animals' could be anything right say goats, deer, etc.. Doesn't the sentence distorts the intended meaning... This is the reason I didnt select any option for almost 7 mins....

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01 May 2015, 01:12
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Here, I could see everyone discussed about the pronoun issue, but I have one different doubt.

(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns have been

Option 'C' is correct as per OG..

It is mentioned as 'animals'' horn. here, term 'Animals' could be anything right say goats, deer, etc.. Doesn't the sentence distorts the intended meaning... This is the reason I didnt select any option for almost 7 mins....

This is because option C uses "the" animals'. So, the presence of "the" makes it evident that this option is referring to a "specific" animal and not "any" animal.
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