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# According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of

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Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink]  29 Sep 2013, 07:21
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Vinay911, not sure if you are still looking for a response on this question. But here it is anyway (I am royally late in responding to this one )
As many posters have commented, we have to establish the correct equation here. Simplistically here is the equation we are looking for:

Since your doubt pertains to choices D and E, I will only focus on those. The difference between these two choices is in terms of what is there in the blank below. Choice D has nothing in this blank and choice E has "those that". Now you may question that choice E actually states "those charging". Remember that "those charging" is equivalent of "those that charge".

For example : cow that grazes all day long = cow grazing all day long

Ok now lets look at both constructions in terms of the equation:

Per choice D - More than 3x as many colleges charge certain fees as ____ charge over $16000 Per choice E - More than 3x as many colleges charge certain fees as those that charge over$16000

Now what are the entities being compared - colleges that charge < $8000 & colleges that charge > 16000 Choice E clearly states that comparison. Whereas if you look choice D, it is missing the "COLLEGE" part of the comparison. It only states the "charge" part. I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions regarding this. Regards, Payal According to the new GMATprep exams released a couple days ago, the correct answer is D. I am so confused... Any ideas why is it correct?? Attachments File comment: According to the new GMATprep exams released a couple days ago, the correct answer is D. I am so confused... Any ideas why is it correct?? Captura de pantalla 2013-09-29 a la(s) 17.16.23.png [ 76.61 KiB | Viewed 2302 times ]  Kaplan Promo Code Knewton GMAT Discount Codes Manhattan GMAT Discount Codes Current Student Status: #TeamFuqua Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Posts: 123 Location: United States Concentration: General Management, Strategy GMAT 1: 580 Q37 V32 GMAT 2: 570 Q36 V32 GMAT 3: 680 Q44 V40 WE: Consulting (Consulting) Followers: 2 Kudos [?]: 29 [0], given: 205 Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink] 27 Oct 2013, 11:03 jacg20 wrote: egmat wrote: Vinay911, not sure if you are still looking for a response on this question. But here it is anyway (I am royally late in responding to this one ) As many posters have commented, we have to establish the correct equation here. Simplistically here is the equation we are looking for: Since your doubt pertains to choices D and E, I will only focus on those. The difference between these two choices is in terms of what is there in the blank below. Choice D has nothing in this blank and choice E has "those that". Now you may question that choice E actually states "those charging". Remember that "those charging" is equivalent of "those that charge". For example : cow that grazes all day long = cow grazing all day long Ok now lets look at both constructions in terms of the equation: Per choice D - More than 3x as many colleges charge certain fees as ____ charge over$16000
Per choice E - More than 3x as many colleges charge certain fees as those that charge over $16000 Now what are the entities being compared - colleges that charge <$8000 & colleges that charge > 16000
Choice E clearly states that comparison.

Whereas if you look choice D, it is missing the "COLLEGE" part of the comparison. It only states the "charge" part.

I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions regarding this.

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According to the new GMATprep exams released a couple days ago, the correct answer is D.

I am so confused... Any ideas why is it correct??

Same here! :-s any e-gmat experts who can help clarify?
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Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink]  04 Nov 2013, 19:57
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egmat wrote:
Vinay911, not sure if you are still looking for a response on this question. But here it is anyway (I am royally late in responding to this one )
As many posters have commented, we have to establish the correct equation here. Simplistically here is the equation we are looking for:

Since your doubt pertains to choices D and E, I will only focus on those. The difference between these two choices is in terms of what is there in the blank below. Choice D has nothing in this blank and choice E has "those that". Now you may question that choice E actually states "those charging". Remember that "those charging" is equivalent of "those that charge".

For example : cow that grazes all day long = cow grazing all day long

Ok now lets look at both constructions in terms of the equation:

Per choice D - More than 3x as many colleges charge certain fees as ____ charge over $16000 Per choice E - More than 3x as many colleges charge certain fees as those that charge over$16000

Now what are the entities being compared - colleges that charge < $8000 & colleges that charge > 16000 Choice E clearly states that comparison. Whereas if you look choice D, it is missing the "COLLEGE" part of the comparison. It only states the "charge" part. I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions regarding this. Regards, Payal According to the new GMATprep exams released a couple days ago, the correct answer is D. I am so confused... Any ideas why is it correct?? I too had the same issue. Can anyone please explain?? e-GMAT Representative Joined: 02 Nov 2011 Posts: 1916 Followers: 1762 Kudos [?]: 5564 [1] , given: 238 Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink] 08 Nov 2013, 09:32 1 This post received KUDOS Expert's post Hi there! Since this is a controversial question, our team is discussing it. We'll get back to you as soon as we can! Regards, Meghna _________________ Aiming to score 760+ on the GMAT? Attend our free webinars to learn how to: [*] Master Number Properties [*] Ace Critical Reasoning The webinars will start at 7 AM PST on the 11th and 12th of July, 2015. Intern Joined: 12 Sep 2012 Posts: 7 Location: India Concentration: International Business, Entrepreneurship GMAT Date: 11-14-2013 GPA: 4 WE: Information Technology (Computer Software) Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 10 [0], given: 2 Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink] 11 Nov 2013, 07:40 egmat wrote: Hi there! Since this is a controversial question, our team is discussing it. We'll get back to you as soon as we can! Regards, Meghna Hi Experts, Any updates on this? I too encountered this question in GMAT Prep Exam pack 1. The OA is given as D. Intern Joined: 23 Oct 2013 Posts: 2 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0 Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink] 24 Dec 2013, 05:00 Hi all, Either the OA here is wrong or the answer specified in GMAT Exam Pack 1 diagnostic is wrong. I got this question wrong in the diagnostic and so, I found this link. The correct answer actually is D and not E. I had given E as an answer and got it wrong. You may check this in the pdf file that I have attached. What actually amazes me is that even the e-GMAT gurus are in the favour of the incorrect option E, despite of recurring doubts in the minds of students. Either they tailored the answer to get to the OA or GMAC made a mistake in the diagnostic test. Please confirm what the correct answer actually is. D or E? Best, Keshav Attachments File comment: The square shows the correct answer which is D. 24-12-2013 18-15-49.pdf [22.26 KiB] Downloaded 55 times  To download please login or register as a user Senior Manager Joined: 13 May 2013 Posts: 472 Followers: 2 Kudos [?]: 116 [0], given: 134 Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink] 24 Dec 2013, 05:24 I'm still a bit confused - in particular, why would we go with choice E over choice A? Senior Manager Joined: 13 May 2013 Posts: 472 Followers: 2 Kudos [?]: 116 [0], given: 134 Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink] 13 Jan 2014, 10:19 Than is used to compare two entities, whereas in the question we are told that "more than three times". In other words, we are comparing multiple entities meaning than is incorrect? Current Student Status: Everyone is a leader. Just stop listening to others. Joined: 22 Mar 2013 Posts: 992 Location: India GPA: 3.51 WE: Information Technology (Computer Software) Followers: 141 Kudos [?]: 1004 [2] , given: 224 Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink] 21 Feb 2014, 07:39 2 This post received KUDOS 2 This post was BOOKMARKED D is the right answer. Format of comparison changes with moving verb inside as many as or keeping it be before as many as. For such question always look at the structure and make your own sentence in simple english. E.g 3 times as many Americans were killed in Civil war as killed in Vietnam war. (my standard simple sentence) bcz Americans were killed is inside as many .... as; we do not need repetition of Americans after as we just need a verb for a good construction of sentence. Now look at this original question you will find D is technically perfect . Another Eg: E.g 3 times as many Americans were killed in Civil war as Indians were killed in battle of Panipath. E.g 3 times as many Americans were killed in Civil war as Indians in battle of Panipath. Now do'er of action are different, thus above comparison is valid. Go to this link: according-to-a-1996-survey-by-the-national-association-of-69882.html HARD WIRE these simple examples in your brain as it save precious time while choosing technically right answer. List down every possible way of comparison sentence structure and hard wire it in brain. _________________ Piyush K ----------------------- Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is to try just one more time. ― Thomas A. Edison Don't forget to press--> Kudos My Articles: 1. WOULD: when to use? | 2. All GMATPrep RCs (New) Tip: Before exam a week earlier don't forget to exhaust all gmatprep problems specially for "sentence correction". Intern Joined: 30 Nov 2013 Posts: 27 GMAT 1: 770 Q49 V47 Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 13 [0], given: 6 Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink] 28 Feb 2014, 07:49 Help! Are we 100% sure that the correct answer is E: "as those charging"? I selected E while taking GMATPrep3 from Exam Pack 1, and my software is saying that I was incorrect. It says that the correct answer is D, "as charge." Is this a glitch??? EDIT: OA is in fact D. I found this link helpful: http://gmatclub.com/forum/according-to-a-1996-survey-by-the-national-association-of-69882.html Current Student Status: Everyone is a leader. Just stop listening to others. Joined: 22 Mar 2013 Posts: 992 Location: India GPA: 3.51 WE: Information Technology (Computer Software) Followers: 141 Kudos [?]: 1004 [2] , given: 224 Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink] 28 Feb 2014, 09:14 2 This post received KUDOS mickeyd wrote: Help! Are we 100% sure that the correct answer is E: "as those charging"? I selected E while taking GMATPrep3 from Exam Pack 1, and my software is saying that I was incorrect. It says that the correct answer is D, "as charge." Is this a glitch??? EDIT: OA is in fact D. I found this link helpful: http://gmatclub.com/forum/according-to-a-1996-survey-by-the-national-association-of-69882.html OA is D. E is incorrect. There is no scope for confusion. _________________ Piyush K ----------------------- Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is to try just one more time. ― Thomas A. Edison Don't forget to press--> Kudos My Articles: 1. WOULD: when to use? | 2. All GMATPrep RCs (New) Tip: Before exam a week earlier don't forget to exhaust all gmatprep problems specially for "sentence correction". Senior Manager Joined: 08 Apr 2013 Posts: 295 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 16 [0], given: 27 Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink] 29 Mar 2014, 03:48 According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under$8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000. A) than those that charge B) than are charging C) than to charge D) as charge E) as those charging this is wrong question. pls, look at gmatprep question "women over age of 30..." According to public health officials, in 1998 Massachusetts became the first state in which more babies were born to women over the age of thirty //than// under it. 1. than 2. than born 3. than they were 4. than they had been 5. than had been born the rule of ellipsis is simple. - the cut off part must be present somewhere - the remaining part must be parallel to a phrase so that the meaning is clear or the remaining part is not parallel with some thing but the meaning is already clear. in case, both choice is clear in meaning, the choice which is parallel to some phrase is prefered and chosen. I find out above rule. appy the above rule. both D and E is wrong. (see the above gmatprep question ) there is no "charge over" so we can not use "charge under" or "charging under". so the remaining part is not parallel with any phrase and the remaining part itself is not clear in meaning. wong. I am a student just willing to beat gmat. I wish experts, member comment on my above idea so that we can master ellipsis. this point is tough and need carefull consideration. pls, speak up. a student like me never want to say a question is wrong. am I correct? _________________ If anyone in this gmat forum is in England,Britain, pls, email to me, (thanghnvn@gmail.com) . I have some questions and need your advise. Thank a lot. Manager Status: GMAT Instructor Affiliations: EnterMBA.in Joined: 23 Jun 2013 Posts: 182 Location: India Prasad: Hariharan GRE 1: 2280 Q790 V710 GPA: 3.3 WE: Editorial and Writing (Education) Followers: 8 Kudos [?]: 81 [0], given: 4 Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink] 29 Mar 2014, 12:33 A tricky question, indeed. Let's take a modified version of a famous Bruce Lee statement: I fear the person who has practiced 5 kicks more than the person practicing 2 kicks. Here, it is not clear whether the author fears the 5-kicker more than "he fears" the 2-kicker, or the author fears the person who has practiced (5 kicks more than the person practicing 2 kicks has practiced or fears). To disambiguate this sentence, the sentence must be changed to: I fear the person who has practiced 5 kicks more than (I) fear (or "do") the person who has practiced 2 kicks. Similarly, in Choice E in the given question, the absence of a second verb introduces ambiguity as to what entities are being compared. _________________ GMAT and MBA admissions Coach EnterMBA Intern Joined: 14 Oct 2013 Posts: 1 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 5 [0], given: 14 Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink] 09 Apr 2014, 07:14 egmat wrote: Vinay911, not sure if you are still looking for a response on this question. But here it is anyway (I am royally late in responding to this one ) As many posters have commented, we have to establish the correct equation here. Simplistically here is the equation we are looking for: Since your doubt pertains to choices D and E, I will only focus on those. The difference between these two choices is in terms of what is there in the blank below. Choice D has nothing in this blank and choice E has "those that". Now you may question that choice E actually states "those charging". Remember that "those charging" is equivalent of "those that charge". For example : cow that grazes all day long = cow grazing all day long Ok now lets look at both constructions in terms of the equation: Per choice D - More than 3x as many colleges charge certain fees as ____ charge over$16000
Per choice E - More than 3x as many colleges charge certain fees as those that charge over $16000 Now what are the entities being compared - colleges that charge <$8000 & colleges that charge > 16000
Choice E clearly states that comparison.

Whereas if you look choice D, it is missing the "COLLEGE" part of the comparison. It only states the "charge" part.

I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions regarding this.

Regards,
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Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink]  03 Jun 2014, 14:19
I just had this question in one of my GMAT Prep Exam Pack #1 test. It actually says that the correct answer is D. Not E.

Any new explanation on this?
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Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink]  04 Jul 2014, 16:41
I ran into this problem in GMATPrep. Strangely the official answer is D. "as charge"
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Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink]  11 Aug 2014, 15:13
I just ran into this problem in the official GMAT software (GMAT Prep), in two additional exam sets and the correct answer is D, not E as indicated in this topic.
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Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink]  11 Aug 2014, 23:39
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. According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year than those that charge over$16,000.
A) than those that charge
B) than are charging
C) than to charge
D) as charge
E) as those charging

I am still confused b/w D and E. Why D "as charge" doesn't sound right to me?
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Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink]  05 Dec 2014, 17:54
I chose E as well, and was surprised to know that the correct answer is D

Can some instructor please help with this one? Choice E completes the sentence logically, while the only thing going for Option D is that it maintains parallel structure gracefully!
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Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink]  05 Dec 2014, 20:59
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A survey compares entities/actions within a specific time frame. Here, the intent is to compare how much certain institutions (currently) charge versus how much some other institutions (currently) charge. In other words, the survey is comparing two "dynamic" entities -- based on how much they charge today:
1. X institutions (currently) charge over $16K. 2. More than 3X institutions (currently) charge under$8K. (Set C of institutions)

Choice E converts St. 1 about institutions that currently charge over $16K (a dynamic set) into a statement about institutions that have charged over$16K over the course of history ("institutions charging over $16K"). These institutions (Set A) may or may not be charging over$16K today. Additionally, other institutions that traditionally did not charge over $16K (Set B) may have hiked their fees and could be charging over$16K today.

The survey compares Set C to "Set A + Set B" but the wording of Choice E makes it compare Set C (a dynamic set) to only Set A (a static set).

By including the verb, "charge" (versus the adjective, "charging"), Choice D makes it clear that the survey correctly compares institutions that currently charge under $8K to those that currently charge over$16K.
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