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According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.

(A) like that of earlier generations
(B) as that for earlier generations
(C) just as earlier generations did
(D) as have earlier generations
(E) as it was of earlier generations

This is from OG. We discussed before, but I need to clarify some doubt.
I think you will consider A and E.
Could you tell me why not A? in choice A, 'that' in place of 'goal', it compares two generations' goal. I didn't see any error.

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 [#permalink] New post 27 Mar 2005, 04:51
explanation in OG:

The intended comparison should be completed by a clause beginning with as and containing a subject and verb that
correspond to the subject and verb of the main clause. In E, the best choice, it refers unambiguously to the phrasal
subject owning ... land, the verb was corresponds to is, and today's young adults are appropriately compared to
earlier generations. Choices A and B lack a verb corresponding to is and a clear referent for that. Choices C and D
are confusing and illogical because their verbs, did and have, cannot substitute for is in the main clause.

But IMHO:
also you could find the parallel structure

a goal of a majority of young adults
as it was of earlier generations
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Mar 2005, 07:14
I would go for E.

Parallel structure:

a goal of a majority of young adults, as it was of earlier generations.

goal <--> it
young adults <--> earlier generations
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Mar 2005, 07:19
E)

A) should be out because parallelism is tested "...is still a goal..." and "...was of..." is parallel. "that" is not parallel to "is"
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 [#permalink] New post 28 Mar 2005, 00:41
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I would go for E.

Parallel structure:

a goal of a majority of young adults, as it was of earlier generations.

goal <--> it
young adults <--> earlier generations


Hi, in choice E.
'it' is in place of 'owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land' rather than 'goal'

But I think choice A is also right, if we see as the following

According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal, like that of earlier generations, of a majority of young adults.

'that' is in place of 'goal'. I think this comparison is OK? why wrong?

Please give me more explanation.
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 [#permalink] New post 28 Mar 2005, 01:04
According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.

(A) like that of earlier generations
- 'that' has no clear referent

(E) as it was of earlier generations
- clearly tells us the goal of young adults are similar to those of previous generations

E it is.
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 [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2005, 04:54
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According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.

(A) like that of earlier generations
- 'that' has no clear referent


Hi, I supposed 'that' refer to 'goal'.
Could you answer my above-mentioned question?

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 [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2005, 10:26
I think it's also about Like vs. As

Like - used to compare nouns
As - used to compare actions, so what follows as is typically a clause

(from Kaplan verbal book)

so "as" fits better.
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 [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2005, 13:00
like is to compare nouns/pronouns while as it to compare clause. in this case, it is comparing clauses.
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Re: SC60--OG [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2005, 16:03
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(E) as it was of earlier generations


can "it" refer to a whole phrase "owning.... land"? I thought "it" can only refer to Noun
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ywilfred wrote:
According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.

(A) like that of earlier generations
- 'that' has no clear referent


Hi, I supposed 'that' refer to 'goal'.
Could you answer my above-mentioned question?

Thanks.


Chunjuwu,

'like that' of earlier generatiosn is awkward. Like in the fist place is used to describe similarities. By saying 'like that', it means that owning and living in a freestanding house is similar to a goal of previous generation. This clearly is wrong. We want to say they share the same goal, not two goals that have some distincit similarities.

'as it was' in (E) clearly refers to the goals. Owning and living in a freestanding house was a goal of previous generations. That same goal is still the case for young adults today.
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 [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2005, 18:11
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chunjuwu wrote:
ywilfred wrote:
According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.

(A) like that of earlier generations
- 'that' has no clear referent


Hi, I supposed 'that' refer to 'goal'.
Could you answer my above-mentioned question?

Thanks.


Chunjuwu,

'like that' of earlier generatiosn is awkward. Like in the fist place is used to describe similarities. By saying 'like that', it means that owning and living in a freestanding house is similar to a goal of previous generation. This clearly is wrong. We want to say they share the same goal, not two goals that have some distincit similarities.

'as it was' in (E) clearly refers to the goals. Owning and living in a freestanding house was a goal of previous generations. That same goal is still the case for young adults today.


it means that owning and living in a freestanding house is similar to a goal of previous generation.

This really helps.

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Re: SC60--OG [#permalink] New post 12 Aug 2012, 07:43
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(E) as it was of earlier generations


can "it" refer to a whole phrase "owning.... land"? I thought "it" can only refer to Noun


sometimes I feel answer of such SC questions entirely depends on what the preparer of the question wants to test. Accordingly, preparer wants to test "like vs as" in this question so the answer is E. If it were a question testing pronouns, E would never be the answer since "it" in option "E" is clearly ambigious.
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Re: According to a recent poll, owning and living in a [#permalink] New post 12 Aug 2012, 09:10
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The OG’s explanation is indeed weird. To say that the two-letter word – it - refers to a phrasal subject- Owning and living in a freestanding house- is perplexing What is more amazing is that- it - is singular while the phrasal subject is indeed plural involving two distinct phenomena, such as owning and living
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Re: According to a recent poll, owning and living in a [#permalink] New post 12 Aug 2012, 22:05
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The OG’s explanation is indeed weird. To say that the two-letter word – it - refers to a phrasal subject- Owning and living in a freestanding house- is perplexing What is more amazing is that- it - is singular while the phrasal subject is indeed plural involving two distinct phenomena, such as owning and living


you are exactly right on this. at least they should have put "they were" in place of "it was" :-D
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According to a recent poll,owning and living in a. [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2014, 05:29
According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.


A.like that of earlier generations
B.as that for earlier generations
C.just as earlier generations did
D.as have earlier generations
E.as it was of earlier generations

The OG explains that A is incorrect because "that", without subjet and verb, is not parallel to the main clause.
But if we ignore this error, is the pronounce"that" an appropriate one here?
In Manhattan SC, it pointed out that when you use "it","they",or other personal pronounce,you mean the same actual thing as the antecedent. in contrast, when you use pronounce"that", you refer to a NEW COPY but not the same one. In this example, the subject is "owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land" and it mentioned "is still a goal of..." , so it is obvious that the "goal" is a single goal shared by generations.

so, is "that" or "it" more appropriate here?

Thx alot
hope you forgive my poor expression :) :) :) :)

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Re: According to a recent poll,owning and living in a. [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2014, 05:43
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According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.


A.like that of earlier generations
B.as that for earlier generations
C.just as earlier generations did
D.as have earlier generations
E.as it was of earlier generations

The OG explains that A is incorrect because "that", without subjet and verb, is not parallel to the main clause.
But if we ignore this error, is the pronounce"that" an appropriate one here?
In Manhattan SC, it pointed out that when you use "it","they",or other personal pronounce,you mean the same actual thing as the antecedent. in contrast, when you use pronounce"that", you refer to a NEW COPY but not the same one. In this example, the subject is "owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land" and it mentioned "is still a goal of..." , so it is obvious that the "goal" is a single goal shared by generations.

so, is "that" or "it" more appropriate here?

Thx alot
hope you forgive my poor expression :) :) :) :)



Hi ZoeHu,

I think the OA you provided might be incorrect. I think the correct answer is (E). A couple things about your analysis:
1) I don't think there is a hard and fast rule about that being a new copy. I may be mistaken here, but I have never thought of it that way. (Notice my use of that does not imply a copy of the thought).
2) I assume you meant pronoun, not pronounce.
3) To answer these types of questions, I try to simplify the sentence as much as possible to reduce noise. In this case, I opted to remove all of the confusing prepositional phrases...

According to a recent poll,owning and livingin a freestanding house on its own land is still a goalof a majority of young adults

After you do that, it becomes a lot easier to identify the correct answer choice by trying to identify whether the pronoun clearly has a noun it can refer to.
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Re: According to a recent poll,owning and living in a. [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2014, 08:07
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According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.


A.like that of earlier generations
B.as that for earlier generations
C.just as earlier generations did
D.as have earlier generations
E.as it was of earlier generations

The OG explains that A is incorrect because "that", without subjet and verb, is not parallel to the main clause.
But if we ignore this error, is the pronounce"that" an appropriate one here?
In Manhattan SC, it pointed out that when you use "it","they",or other personal pronounce,you mean the same actual thing as the antecedent. in contrast, when you use pronounce"that", you refer to a NEW COPY but not the same one. In this example, the subject is "owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land" and it mentioned "is still a goal of..." , so it is obvious that the "goal" is a single goal shared by generations.

so, is "that" or "it" more appropriate here?

Thx alot
hope you forgive my poor expression :) :) :) :)



Hi ZoeHu,

I think the OA you provided might be incorrect. I think the correct answer is (E). A couple things about your analysis:
1) I don't think there is a hard and fast rule about that being a new copy. I may be mistaken here, but I have never thought of it that way. (Notice my use of that does not imply a copy of the thought).
2) I assume you meant pronoun, not pronounce.
3) To answer these types of questions, I try to simplify the sentence as much as possible to reduce noise. In this case, I opted to remove all of the confusing prepositional phrases...

According to a recent poll,owning and livingin a freestanding house on its own land is still a goalof a majority of young adults

After you do that, it becomes a lot easier to identify the correct answer choice by trying to identify whether the pronoun clearly has a noun it can refer to.


yes, the right answer is E , this is my first time to post the question here so i made some mistakes when i submit my question.
thx for your explanation. yes, that should be pronoun( OMG my poor english. )
I think you may be right. Now this question is quite easy to figure out.
Thx again
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Re: According to a recent poll,owning and living in a. [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2014, 13:05
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To clarify, "that" does not always function as a pronoun and even when functioning as a pronoun it's not always acting in this "new copy" fashion. This particular sentence, however, does have "that" acting as a pronoun where it would be a new copy. Here is another GMATPrep sentence that uses "that" in the same way: "The Neanderthal had a vocal tract like THAT of the apes" (I'm pulling from memory so that may not be word-for-word).

Using the pronoun "that" to represent a new copy doesn't work particularly well here. It makes sense when you are talking about things that obviously cannot be shared: "Their house looks just like that of my parents" or "Her dancing was superior to that of her rival". [Notice that the "new-copy" that construction is a bit awkward and can be easily stated in other ways, such as using the possessive.] In this sentence the goals are shared and not exclusive, so it doesn't really call for "that" as a pronoun.

The real kicker against "that" in this problem (as cited by the OA) is the lack of parallelism between the main clause and this subordinate clause. "That" would stand in the place of the very long idea "owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land", which is followed by the verb "is". To be parallel, we would need to include the verb "was" after "that" to be parallel in structure. ....owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is a goal..., as that was... [again, I would prefer using the pronoun "it" to indicate the goals are the same]

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Re: According to a recent poll,owning and living in a. [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2014, 22:40
To add to what Kyle Widdison stated above, we anyway cannot assume the verb (is/was) after that in option A, because this option uses like.

Remember that like is a preposition and so, cannot be followed by verb (prepositions can only be followed by nouns/pronouns/noun-phrases).
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