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Re: SC 42/1000 [#permalink] New post 07 Aug 2010, 00:19
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Hey Nusma,

Well, technically, it would be "X is Y times as likely as Z to do something". That's the full on comparison construction. But yes, the two things have to be nouns, because the verb comes after the Z (to do something).

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Can u plz explain how (or if) 'more likely' can be used? Not just in this example, but in general.
e.g., is it right to say, "X is more likely to succeed than Y"?
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Re: SC 42/1000 [#permalink] New post 06 Sep 2010, 11:20
Okay. Lots of questions.

Werewolf: I think I overemphasized this issue. A and B have tons of other problems, and it may be legit to say "four times more likely." However, D is definitely wrong, because it can't be four times more likely with nothing to compare to grammatically.

I also want to address Ramana's issue, which was also sent to be privately by another student. The preferred form is "plan to VERB." I don't know for certain is the correct answer choice here would be correct on the GMAT. Just know the preferred form, and that this form is also possible. I doubt you'll ever be asked to make a direct choice between the two, with no other issues to look at.

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Re: SC 42/1000 [#permalink] New post 06 Sep 2010, 11:22
I've done some searching, and I do think "as likely as" is definitely preferred, to the extent that it's legit to remove A and B for that reason. Phew!

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Re: SC 42/1000 [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2010, 09:45
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Is "four times more likely than" illegal? If C used that instead of as likely as, would that be a problem?
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I was asked by private message to take this one on, even though there has been plenty of great stuff written already. Here we go:

This is a comparison question, so the whole point is to make sure we're comparing the right two things, and using the correct terminology.

42. According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.
(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
PROBLEM: Should be "four times AS likely AS other graduates TO plan". That's a three-fer!

(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
PROBLEM: Again "four times AS likely AS other graduates TO plan". This one doesn't ever complete, because the "who" opens up a new modifier, and we never return to the main clause.

(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
CORRECT.

(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
PROBLEM: "Four times AS likely" and RATHER THAN implies preference, which makes no sense here. Also, it's totally unclear what's being compared.

(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice
PROBLEM: "for minority graduates than other graduates" makes absolutely no sense at all. Where's the comparison?

Hope that helps!

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Re: SC 42/1000 [#permalink] New post 26 Oct 2010, 06:52
First of all, "more likely than" and "as likely as" are bothe correct. But "more likely that" and "as likely for" are unidiomatic. Hence we are left with A B and C

A can be ruled out because the two portions being compared by "more likely than" are not parallel. "Minority graduates" and "are other graduates". Instead it should be "minority graduates" and "other graduates".
Hence we are left with B and C

One rule to keep in mind is that infinitives are preferred when a certain action will occur in future. Hence in this case "to plan" is preferred. Also, option B compares "minority graduates" with "other graduates who plan on practicing" which is not correct.

Hence option C is the correct ans.
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Re: SC 42/1000 [#permalink] New post 26 Oct 2010, 09:53
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E has a serious grammatical flaw. -[highlight]As[/highlight]likely for minority graduates [highlight]than[/highlight]other graduates – can never co exist. If some source says E is the OA, it must be typo
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Re: SC 42/1000 [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2010, 11:58
(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing

"more likely + to " - Correct Idiom . Hence, Option C
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Re: SC 42/1000 [#permalink] New post 01 Jan 2011, 11:48
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Re: SC 42/1000 [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2011, 19:25
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No way for E.. IT is ambigious

And i think C is incorrect too.

We are basically saying that minority students are more likely to serve in poor area than other grads students.

minority grads: 1 out of 4
Other grads: 1 out of 10

C: Changes the meaning of the sentence... as likely as => the same probability as other grads...

So C is out...

...so left with A and B...

A is clear : Minority grads ...are more likely ... to practice in poor areas..


Ans is: A

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Hi Brick2009,

A can not be answer because comparison is not correct.
42. According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.
(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice

Minority graduates should be compared with "other graduates" not with "are other graduates" .
To see it.
(A) minority graduates are [strike]nearly four times[/strike] more likely than are other graduates....
A is more likely than B. Here A should be parallel to B.


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Re: According to a survey of graduating medical students [#permalink] New post 13 Apr 2012, 20:42
thank youTommyWallach, this was very helpful in the explanation. When doing the comparison will you always need to do "as x as"
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Re: According to a survey of graduating medical students [#permalink] New post 01 May 2013, 21:18
I was left with B and C. I chose B because it has 'more likely than' as in original sentence. 'as likely as' changes the meaning right? Original sentence is saying 'more likely than'. We should see that the meaning change does not happen.Why cant B be the answer which says 'more likely than'. If there is no change in meaning and if they both are idiomatically correct, then what is the difference between these clauses. Are they interchangeable?
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Re: SC 42/1000 [#permalink] New post 21 May 2013, 22:19
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The OA is C.

However, I've always known that the correct idiom is "plan to", not "plan on".

If that's the case, how does one determine if we should judge the sentence's answer by "as likely as" or "plan to"?


Sorry, but as per my source, OA is E.




plan something out

to make thorough plans for something. Let us sit down and plan our strategy out. We sat down and planned out our strategy.


plan for someone

to prepare enough [of something] for someone. Fred just called and said he can show up for dinner after all. Please plan for him. Tony wasn't planned for, and there is no place for him to sit.

plan for something

1. to prepare for something. I need to take some time and plan for my retirement. We carefully planned for almost every possibility.
2. to prepare or estimate for a certain number [of people or things]. I am planning for twelve. I hope everyone can come.

plan on someone

to be ready for someone; to anticipate someone's arrival. Don't plan on Sam. He has a cold and probably won't come. We are planning on Ted and Bill.

plan on something

to prepare for something; to be ready for something; to anticipate something. If I were you, I would plan on a big crowd at your open house. This was not planned on.
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Re: According to a survey of graduating medical students [#permalink] New post 11 Feb 2014, 04:28
(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice Wrong - the correct comparative element is "as likely as"; "are" is not needed to complete the comparison.

(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing Wrong - the correct comparative element is "as likely as"

(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing Best choice, but not perfect.

(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice Wrong - "this is unidiomatic; Comparative element "four times more likely" should never be combined with an idiom"graduates rather than other graduates"; "that" should be only used with "so" or "such" in order to express sufficiency; in general awkward and nonsensical.

(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice Wrong - "as likely than" is not a correct comparative element.

IMO A

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Re: According to a survey of graduating medical students [#permalink] New post 16 Mar 2014, 07:19
According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice

According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges,

minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

Meaning : According to a survey, MG are nearly four times more likely than OG to plan on practicing Z

Option D) “rather” doesn’t make sense. - Eliminated

Option E) “to plan to practice” there are two intents in the same sentence, making the sentence awkward – Eliminated.

I am confused for Option A/B/C.

One of the rule I follow is more should have “than”. Both A and B satisfy that rule. e-gmat, can you please point out the mistake?
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Re: According to a survey of graduating medical students [#permalink] New post 16 Mar 2014, 07:46
For a moment, forget the comparison.

One is likely "to do something." A and B don't use this construction.

(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
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According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice

According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges,

minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

Meaning : According to a survey, MG are nearly four times more likely than OG to plan on practicing Z

Option D) “rather” doesn’t make sense. - Eliminated

Option E) “to plan to practice” there are two intents in the same sentence, making the sentence awkward – Eliminated.

I am confused for Option A/B/C.

One of the rule I follow is more should have “than”. Both A and B satisfy that rule. e-gmat, can you please point out the mistake?


Hi Kinjal,

Thanks for posting your doubt here. :-)

Option A is incorrect because "likely" is not followed by "to verb". This word is always followed by a "to verb". For example: Kinjal is likely to understand this explanation. However, in this choice what we have is "likely... in planning to practice". This is the incorrect idiom here. Now, the other idiom "more... than..." is fine. But it has been out so cleverly between this "likely" idiom that we only focus on that. There is no problem with "four times more likely" here.

Option B is also incorrect for the same reason. In fact, the "who clause" just provided additional information. The whole planning part now belongs to the "other graduates" and do not even relate to "minority graduates" in the main clause.

Option C is the correct answer as it rectifies the idiom error in Choice A. The choice says "likely... to plan on practicing".

Hope this helps. :-)
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Re: SC 42/1000 [#permalink] New post 29 May 2014, 19:16
Hi Tommy,

Can you please explain why is "more likely than" incorrect? Is there any rule around that? Is it replaceable only by "as likely as"?
Please do respond!

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Hey All,

I was asked by private message to take this one on, even though there has been plenty of great stuff written already. Here we go:

This is a comparison question, so the whole point is to make sure we're comparing the right two things, and using the correct terminology.

42. According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.
(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
PROBLEM: Should be "four times AS likely AS other graduates TO plan". That's a three-fer!

(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
PROBLEM: Again "four times AS likely AS other graduates TO plan". This one doesn't ever complete, because the "who" opens up a new modifier, and we never return to the main clause.

(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
CORRECT.

(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
PROBLEM: "Four times AS likely" and RATHER THAN implies preference, which makes no sense here. Also, it's totally unclear what's being compared.

(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice
PROBLEM: "for minority graduates than other graduates" makes absolutely no sense at all. Where's the comparison?

Hope that helps!

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According to a survey of graduating medical students [#permalink] New post 25 Jul 2014, 13:24
Hi Shraddha,

Can you please explain the role of underlined portion below in answer choice A? Also, this underlined portion isn't present in B, does that set the comparison correctly(provided the error with who is fixed in 2nd choice)?

minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice

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Can you please explain the role of underlined portion below in answer choice A? Also, this underlined portion isn't present in B, does that set the comparison correctly(provided the error with who is fixed in 2nd choice)?

minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice

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Hi sk5002,

In both Choice A and B, the comparison is logical and absolutely unambiguous. Presence or absence of "are" does not affect the comparison because there is nothing else in the sentences with which "minority graduates" can be compared. the only logical entity in the sentence that can be compared to "minority graduates" is "other graduates". Hence, presence or absence of "are" does not lead to any ambiguity and hence, its presence or absence is OPTIONAL but NOT INCORRECT.

For example:

Ronny is a better bowler than Roy (is). --> In this sentence, we may or may not choose to repeat the helping Verb "is" because the comparison is absolutely clear. he two compared entities in this sentence are "Ronny" and "Roy". When a sentence presents CLEAR COMPARISON, repeating the helping Verb becomes OPTIONAL as we see in this official sentence.

Repeating the helping Verb becomes mandatory when the sentence conveys AMBIGUOUS COMPARISON. For example:

Ronny is familiar with Roy longer than Ria.

This sentence presents AMBIGUOUS COMPARISON because we can interpret two comparisons here:

1. Ronny is familiar with Roy longer than is Ria. --> Entities Compared - Ronny and Ria

2. Ronny is familiar with Roy longer than with Ria. --> Entities Compared - Roy and Ria

So, if the author intends to communicate the first meaning, then he MUST repeat the helping Verb "is". In absence of this helping verb, the sentence leads to ambiguous comparison. You can also read this article on Ellipses in Comparison for more clarity on this topic: how-far-ellipsis-is-permissible-in-comparison-148973.html

Hope this helps. :-)
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Re: According to a survey of graduating medical students [#permalink] New post 26 Jul 2014, 01:34
Hi Shraddha,

Thanks for the wonderful explanation. I also read the article by you on ellipsis. But I'm kinda stuck on this comparsion issue and I think this example should help me clarify-:

This one is from OG.

Original : Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

Modified: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than those last yearbecause refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

My Doubt: a) Is the bold and italic in the modified sentence a case of ellipsis when compared to original?
b) How do I know in this sentence or any for that matter what is being compared? The reason I ask this is I got confused whether original sentence(also the correct one) compares the two time periods or the prices in two years?
c) If it's time period than original makes sense but how do I clear this ambiguity while solving comparison questions

Thanks as always for you help. You are great!!
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