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According to MGMAT, the subjunctive mood occurs in two [#permalink]
 01 Sep 2009, 06:54
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According to MGMAT, the subjunctive mood occurs in two cases:
1) Speculation/condition contrary to fact. This usually occurs in conjunction with "if" (without then)
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2) When there is a "bossy word" like require/demand/request/suggest/ insist etc.. + "that"
However, I've seen multiple cases where there is a bossy word but NO "that" and it is still considered subjunctive mood. Are these cases correct?
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Re: Subjunctive mood clarification [#permalink]
01 Sep 2009, 10:44
Hi thailandvc, I recommend that you post specific examples  In the overwhelming majority of cases 'that' is required for 'bossy' words, but although I can't come up with any off the top of my head, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find I'd forgotten about a narrow exception that I'd recognize if I were to see it. If English were simple, we wouldn't need to be tested on it, right?
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Re: Subjunctive mood clarification [#permalink]
02 Sep 2009, 03:46
Well it will be good if u provide expamles...I m unable to recall any ex for same
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Re: Subjunctive mood clarification [#permalink]
02 Sep 2009, 04:43
Here you go: This is from Gayathari's SC Notes
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The subjunctive mood is used in dependent clauses that do the following:
1. express a wish, mostly followed by “were”
• She wishes her boyfriend were here. (<=====Right here)
2. begin with if and express a condition that does not exist (is contrary to fact)
• If Juan were more aggressive, he'd be a better hockey player.
• If she were coming, she would be here by now.
• If I were you, I would not go there. "
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Re: Subjunctive mood clarification [#permalink]
02 Sep 2009, 05:16
Which the following is correct use of "suggest" I suggest you put on sunblock immediately before you get a sun burn. OR I suggest that you put on sunblock immediately before you get a sun burn.
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Re: Subjunctive mood clarification [#permalink]
02 Sep 2009, 05:44
thailandvc wrote: Here you go: This is from Gayathari's SC Notes
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The subjunctive mood is used in dependent clauses that do the following:
1. express a wish, mostly followed by “were”
• She wishes her boyfriend were here. (<=====Right here)
2. begin with if and express a condition that does not exist (is contrary to fact)
• If Juan were more aggressive, he'd be a better hockey player.
• If she were coming, she would be here by now.
• If I were you, I would not go there. " About If construction all seems right to me..infact it is one of suggested way to write subjunctive...also the first one looks good to me... one more can be ...I wish I were a president
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Re: Subjunctive mood clarification [#permalink]
02 Sep 2009, 06:00
so does that mean the rule "bossy word" + that the ONLY (outside of the if statement) is debunked? You can have a subjunctive mood without that?
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Re: Subjunctive mood clarification [#permalink]
02 Sep 2009, 07:39
thailandvc wrote: so does that mean the rule "bossy word" + that the ONLY (outside of the if statement) is debunked? You can have a subjunctive mood without that? I am not an authority to speak on this one..google out more...or else if some one who knows better will be able to answer ur question...
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Re: Subjunctive mood clarification [#permalink]
02 Sep 2009, 08:23
duttarupam wrote: Which the following is correct use of "suggest"
I suggest you put on sunblock immediately before you get a sun burn.
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I suggest that you put on sunblock immediately before you get a sun burn. Though in real life both might be acceptable for conversation, on the GMAT, only the second is correct.
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Re: According to MGMAT, the subjunctive mood occurs in two [#permalink]
18 Feb 2013, 10:02
If the Example of the below sentence is taken, I don't see the need of using "that" after the subjunctive mood created by the word Demand.
Eg: I Demand an explanation in written form by end of the day.
Thought this can be written as :
I demand that an explanation be given to me in written by end of the day, but this would become a passive construction which other wise is not recommended in gmat.
Any thoughts ??
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Re: According to MGMAT, the subjunctive mood occurs in two [#permalink]
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bharatdasaka wrote: If the Example of the below sentence is taken, I don't see the need of using "that" after the subjunctive mood created by the word Demand.
Eg: I Demand an explanation in written form by end of the day.
Thought this can be written as :
I demand that an explanation be given to me in written by end of the day, but this would become a passive construction which other wise is not recommended in gmat.
Any thoughts ?? Yes you are right passive constructions are less preferred if there is an active voice substitute and the thought can be expressed properly in active voice. In the example that you mentioned above, the first one would be better than the second one because the first one is in active. But if there is a need of subjunctive, then it should be used correctly. " I demand he speak properly." would be better than " I demand that he speaks properly" because the first one uses the correct subjunctive construction. However, if there are two sentence and the one with active voice is grammatically or contextually incorrect, then you must choose the passive construction which otherwise does not contain any other errors. Hope it helps, Vercules
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