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group of students- singular or plural [#permalink]  29 Aug 2006, 17:31
Hi! I came across this passsage and was confused why the correct answer used a combination of HAVE (plural) and BELIEVES (singular) for the same subject. Can anyone please explain?

A group of students who HAVE begun to...BELIEVES that the park needs not to be redesigned but to...
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can you pls mention a few words after "begun to"??
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A group of students who HAVE begun to clean up Frederick Law olmste's Morningside Park in NYC [url]believes that the park needs not to be redesigned but to be returned to its former condition[/url].

I don't understand. I got this from kaplan 2007. How come they used HAVE and BELIEVES at the same time?
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vivek123 wrote:
Because Vs Due to

Because: Used to give the reason
Due to: Used in situations where it means "attributable to"

Possible structures: â€˜Due to + Noun Phraseâ€™ and â€˜Due to the fact that + Main Clauseâ€™, and â€˜Because + Main Clauseâ€™ and â€˜Because of + Noun Phraseâ€™.

Examples:
SC504 of 1000SC (Because Vs due to)
SC879 of 1000SC (Because Vs due to)
SC990 of 1000SC (Usage of "due to")

Where is the 1000SC available?
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I remember seeing a trap in SC.

"may" & "likely to" usage in a sentence is wrong. It's redundant to use both.
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A group of students who HAVE begun to clean up Frederick Law olmste's Morningside Park in NYC [url]believes that the park needs not to be redesigned but to be returned to its former condition[/url].

I don't understand. I got this from kaplan 2007. How come they used HAVE and BELIEVES at the same time?

The verb "believes" refers to the "group of students" (a single entity) and not to the "students"
What do have the experts to say on this?
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Correct!

Look at it like this:

A group of XYZ ...BELIEVES that the park needs not to be redesigned but to...

XYZ = students who HAVE begun to.

It's a group of "students who were doing something".

Artemov wrote:
A group of students who HAVE begun to clean up Frederick Law olmste's Morningside Park in NYC [url]believes that the park needs not to be redesigned but to be returned to its former condition[/url].

I don't understand. I got this from kaplan 2007. How come they used HAVE and BELIEVES at the same time?

The verb "believes" refers to the "group of students" (a single entity) and not to the "students"
What do have the experts to say on this?
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Someone may correct me if I am wrong. The change is who...

A group of students has begun... that would be correct, group has begun group is singular

A group of students who have begun... also correct, students who - plural

A little tricky but I believe thats how it breaks down.

Cheers
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itishaj wrote:
vivek123 wrote:
itishaj wrote:
but out the two senetence u hav writen...both of them are correct?if yes, which one to use under wat condition...?

To add, both are correct & convey same meaning. As Laxie said, just watch out for one of the two foms in the SCs & shoot!

Usually, SCs using subjunctive mood cut the setence with half mood part underlined. Something like this:

Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.
(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are
(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills
(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are
(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills
(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills

According to the construction you hav told it should be C or D...
Legislation+ requires +employers+to bare-infinitive
C...seems better coz of the comparison.
D ..m not sure whether the comparison is logically correct.

C is correct i think !!!!
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jjhko wrote:
laxieqv wrote:
Thank you, buddies, for your participation!!! ^_^

GMAT likes testing REDUNDANCY:

If you encounter any of the following, cross the answer choice right away

Some typical redundancy:
+ regain ......again ......
+ rise ........up ............
+ decline ....down ...
+ It is likely that â€¦â€¦may â€¦â€¦.
+ soar ......up ............
+ decrease .....down
+ re- Verb .....again .....
and so forth

If you find out more, please chip in!!

Here are few more to the redudancy list:

- co-operate ...together
- can potentially
- appears to be

Can someone provide an example of how appears to be is redundant?
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There was a small TYPO in this - so I thought I should correct it. See BOLDED RED part below.

Saurabh.

laxieqv wrote:
vivek123 wrote:
This is great initiative Laxie, I'm sure this will help all of us

Subjunctive Mood (GMAT favorite)

Watch out for:

How does this work?
eg:
Laxie requires club members to learn grammar.
Laxie requires that club members learn grammar.

Other famous subjunctive sentences are:
If I were you, If she were here etc.

Vivek buddy pointed out the main point, I'd like to elaborate a little more ( Hik, I'm not a grammar guru, but what I've posted here so far is authentic and extracted from many reliable sources )

The subjunctive mood has two forms:

1) S + subjunctive verb( see the list provided by Vivek) + O + TO + bare-infinitive.
EX: see the one provided by Vivek

2) S + subjunctive verb + that + S (This should be O instead) + bare-infinitive.
Ex: also see the above.

I am re-wording 2)

2) S + subjunctive verb + that + O + bare-infinitive.
Ex: also see the above.

NOTE: if you see subjunctive mood, check whether the that-clause uses bare-infinitive or not.
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bmwhype2 wrote:
jjhko wrote:
laxieqv wrote:
Thank you, buddies, for your participation!!! ^_^

GMAT likes testing REDUNDANCY:

If you encounter any of the following, cross the answer choice right away

Some typical redundancy:
+ regain ......again ......
+ rise ........up ............
+ decline ....down ...
+ It is likely that â€¦â€¦may â€¦â€¦.
+ soar ......up ............
+ decrease .....down
+ re- Verb .....again .....
and so forth

If you find out more, please chip in!!

Here are few more to the redudancy list:

- co-operate ...together
- can potentially
- appears to be

Can someone provide an example of how appears to be is redundant?

He appears tired.

He appears TO BE tired.

From the second sentence you can remove TO BE and the meaning would still remain intact. Basically APPEARS points to a state of being which is exactly what TO BE is. Hence the redundancy.
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buzzgaurav wrote:
This is from one of my posts :

Some State Department officials hope to end the border skirmish by bargaining with the new dictator, others propose the stiff imposition of economic sanctions on the country's exports, and still others demand that NATO launch a full-scale invasion.

zoom612 had a doubt regarding how we judge which all verbs need to be parallel.

Why 'hope' and not 'bargaining' in this particular case ???

Any insights from experts.

Wanted to pick up on this one....

The structures separated by comma are all of the form SUBJECT + Verb (in its Base/Bare Infinitive form) ex ----

Some state department officials (subject) HOPE (Verb)

Others (Subject) PROPOSE (Verb)

And still others (subject) DEMAND (Verb)

here the non-underlined part becomes the de-facto standard for the other structures to follow up from to maintain parallelism.
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laxieqv wrote:
Thank you, buddies, for your participation!!! ^_^

GMAT likes testing REDUNDANCY:

If you encounter any of the following, cross the answer choice right away

Some typical redundancy:
+ regain ......again ......
+ rise ........up ............
+ decline ....down ...
+ It is likely that â€¦â€¦may â€¦â€¦.
+ soar ......up ............
+ decrease .....down
+ re- Verb .....again .....
and so forth

If you find out more, please chip in!!

excellent covering on redundancy.

thanx.
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good one.
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Great post.....thanks!
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Nice .. Thanks

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