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# All German philosophers, except for Marx, are idealists.

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All German philosophers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

A) Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
B) Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
C) If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
D) Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
E) Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist
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27 Oct 2009, 11:28
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27 Oct 2009, 18:47
I would say E.
E says all Germans other than Marx are idealists. All philosophers are included.
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27 Oct 2009, 19:15
IMO E...
Philosophers included....
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27 Oct 2009, 23:02
Clear E here
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28 Oct 2009, 06:05
I'd say D.

E seems to say that all German are idealists, but shouldn't it be only German philosophers ?

Not all Germans are philosophers
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28 Oct 2009, 07:31
What is the OA.
Can someone explain why it is E? The premise is that all german philosophers except Marx are idealist. We don't know if all germans are idealist unless we are told all germans are philosophers. And the question doesnt say that.
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28 Oct 2009, 08:02
PrincetonMBA2007 wrote:
What is the OA.
Can someone explain why it is E? The premise is that all german philosophers except Marx are idealist. We don't know if all germans are idealist unless we are told all germans are philosophers. And the question doesnt say that.

The OA is E.
You need to read the question stem carefully. It states FROM which of the FOLLOWING (answer choices) can the statement ABOVE be most properly inferred. Choice E presents all the necessary information for correct inference. Choice D simply restates the argument.
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13 Nov 2009, 10:48
Ah, I get it now! The question, in a sense, is backwards. Very sneaky.
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29 Nov 2009, 04:53
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All German philosophers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

A) Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
B) Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
C) If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
D) Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
E) Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist

I got D, but I understand why D is wrong because it restates the argument, but I don't understand why E is the correct answer. I could choose E by pure POE, but I don't get the logic of E. The argument is not talking about ALL the Germans, but rather about the Germans WHO ARE philosophers. In option E, it's saying that if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist?? WTF? how come?? What about the Germans WHO ARE NOT philosophers?
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Hey, dude. I see your point.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

It's non-standard question.
Here initially stated the INFERENCE, not an argument. And E. is an argument. From E you should infer what is stated in the begining, but not vice versa.

Argument: Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist

Clearly we can infer that:
All German philosophers, except for Marx, are idealists.

Hope this help

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barakhaiev wrote:
All German philosophers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

A) Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
B) Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
C) If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
D) Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
E) Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist

I got D, but I understand why D is wrong because it restates the argument, but I don't understand why E is the correct answer. I could choose E by pure POE, but I don't get the logic of E. The argument is not talking about ALL the Germans, but rather about the Germans WHO ARE philosophers. In option E, it's saying that if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist?? WTF? how come?? What about the Germans WHO ARE NOT philosophers?
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01 Dec 2009, 06:34
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Hey, dude. I see your point.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

It's non-standard question.
Here initially stated the INFERENCE, not an argument. And E. is an argument. From E you should infer what is stated in the begining, but not vice versa.

Argument: Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist

Clearly we can infer that:
All German philosophers, except for Marx, are idealists.

Hope this help

GMATFIGHTER wrote:
barakhaiev wrote:
All German philosophers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

A) Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
B) Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
C) If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
D) Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
E) Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist

I got D, but I understand why D is wrong because it restates the argument, but I don't understand why E is the correct answer. I could choose E by pure POE, but I don't get the logic of E. The argument is not talking about ALL the Germans, but rather about the Germans WHO ARE philosophers. In option E, it's saying that if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist?? WTF? how come?? What about the Germans WHO ARE NOT philosophers?

OH MY GOD! I never knew that such a twisting question can even exist. Can such a question type exist on the real GMAT? Wow, so intead of making an inference from an argument, we're rather looking for a statement to justify an inference. Thanks a lot!
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03 Dec 2009, 00:31
+1 FOR E
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03 Dec 2009, 12:16
barakhaiev wrote:
PrincetonMBA2007 wrote:
What is the OA.
Can someone explain why it is E? The premise is that all german philosophers except Marx are idealist. We don't know if all germans are idealist unless we are told all germans are philosophers. And the question doesnt say that.

The OA is E.
You need to read the question stem carefully. It states FROM which of the FOLLOWING (answer choices) can the statement ABOVE be most properly inferred. Choice E presents all the necessary information for correct inference. Choice D simply restates the argument.

Good one, could not be explained more clearly than this, BUT I would like to remind us all an important point here.
In case of Inference/Must be true questions: prephrased argument as an answer choice CAN BE correct. (powerscore Bible)

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E cannot be right in my opinion
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