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All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.
If the statements above are true, which one of the following must be true?
(A) Not all of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation.
(B) Everyone who will be heard by the next generation keeps a journal.
(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists.
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists.
(E) The next generation will bear some of those who are true artists but not all of them.
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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 15 Nov 2009, 07:00
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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 15 Nov 2009, 07:25
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All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.
If the statements above are true, which one of the following must be true?
(A) Not all of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation.
(B) Everyone who will be heard by the next generation keeps a journal.
(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists.
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists.
(E) The next generation will bear some of those who are true artists but not all of them.



Premise 1:
Jouranl writers/Keepers --> true artists + humours observers + egotists
Premise 2:
All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation

P1 +P2 -> Conclusion: (true artists + humours observers + egotists) will be heard by next generation.
(Please note that must be true questions, Don't accept anything from outside the stimulus... It must be derived from only info provided in the stimulus)

A --> Opposite answer
B --> Reverse answer
C -> Perfect. (See the conclusion)
d -> Out of Scope. No information is provided int he arugment whether there other catagories..
E -> Out of Scope. No info is mention Whether they will bear some true artists or not


C must be the answer.
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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 15 Nov 2009, 07:44
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All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.
If the statements above are true, which one of the following must be true?
(A) Not all of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation.
(B) Everyone who will be heard by the next generation keeps a journal.
(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists.
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists.
(E) The next generation will bear some of those who are true artists but not all of them.



Premise 1:
Jouranl writers/Keepers --> true artists + humours observers + egotists
Premise 2:
All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation

P1 +P2 -> Conclusion: (true artists + humours observers + egotists) will be heard by next generation.
(Please note that must be true questions, Don't accept anything from outside the stimulus... It must be derived from only info provided in the stimulus)

A --> Opposite answer
B --> Reverse answer
C -> Perfect. (See the conclusion)
d -> Out of Scope. No information is provided int he arugment whether there other catagories..
E -> Out of Scope. No info is mention Whether they will bear some true artists or not


C must be the answer.


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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 15 Nov 2009, 11:05
Great explanation. I guess on these types of questions, I have difficulty in determine what is out of scope and what is not. What source did this question come from?
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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 02 Feb 2010, 14:24
c definately
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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 07 Jul 2010, 02:01
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First of all, 1000 series have multiple mistakes in answer choices, so don't be shy to think logically and prove your answer choice.

Let me try.

The main statement is: Next generations WILL hear ALL who keep journals. - it is strong statement and narrows down the scope of argument.
Paraphrase it: If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you.
Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists.


Lets see how can we eliminate the answer choices.


All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.
If the statements above are true, which one of the following must be true?
(A) Not all of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation. - false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "
(B) Everyone who will be heard by the next generation keeps a journal. - it this trick, it is reversed statement that is not necessarily true. Too strong, "everyone"
(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists. - wou really ?! what if they don't have any journal? Observe that official answer choice is wrong here.
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists. yes! bingo. Remember the statement "Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists." of course there are other people who keep journals.
(E) The next generation will bear some of those who are true artists but not all of them. false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "
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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 07 Jul 2010, 05:16
x2suresh wrote:
gurpreet07 wrote:
All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.
If the statements above are true, which one of the following must be true?
(A) Not all of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation.
(B) Everyone who will be heard by the next generation keeps a journal.
(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists.
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists.
(E) The next generation will bear some of those who are true artists but not all of them.



Premise 1:
Jouranl writers/Keepers --> true artists + humours observers + egotists
Premise 2:
All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation

P1 +P2 -> Conclusion: (true artists + humours observers + egotists) will be heard by next generation.
(Please note that must be true questions, Don't accept anything from outside the stimulus... It must be derived from only info provided in the stimulus)

A --> Opposite answer
B --> Reverse answer
C -> Perfect. (See the conclusion)
d -> Out of Scope. No information is provided int he arugment whether there other catagories..
E -> Out of Scope. No info is mention Whether they will bear some true artists or not


C must be the answer.



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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 08 Jul 2010, 21:27
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Will go with C. What is the OA?
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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 13 Oct 2010, 03:34
I think its A ,
I drew a Venn diagram for all the categories mentioned like one who keeps a journal ,
artist , humorous observers etc .

C says that both "insufferable egotists and true artists" will be heard by next generation.
What if some of them don't keep any journal.
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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 13 Oct 2010, 05:19
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First of all, 1000 series have multiple mistakes in answer choices, so don't be shy to think logically and prove your answer choice.

Let me try.

The main statement is: Next generations WILL hear ALL who keep journals. - it is strong statement and narrows down the scope of argument.
Paraphrase it: If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you.
Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists.


Lets see how can we eliminate the answer choices.


All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.
If the statements above are true, which one of the following must be true?
(A) Not all of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation. - false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "
(B) Everyone who will be heard by the next generation keeps a journal. - it this trick, it is reversed statement that is not necessarily true. Too strong, "everyone"
(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists. - wou really ?! what if they don't have any journal? Observe that official answer choice is wrong here.
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists. yes! bingo. Remember the statement "Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists." of course there are other people who keep journals.
(E) The next generation will bear some of those who are true artists but not all of them. false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "


Your explanation does make a lot of sense...but still I am not sure. I went for C btw.
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C is very strong here: will hear, it is not approritate for the GMAT to have very strong statements.
D is not so strong.

(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists.
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists
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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 10 Oct 2011, 20:34
Whats the OA?
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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 11 Oct 2011, 03:35
PTK wrote:
First of all, 1000 series have multiple mistakes in answer choices, so don't be shy to think logically and prove your answer choice.

Let me try.

The main statement is: Next generations WILL hear ALL who keep journals. - it is strong statement and narrows down the scope of argument.
Paraphrase it: If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you.
Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists.


Lets see how can we eliminate the answer choices.


All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.
If the statements above are true, which one of the following must be true?
(A) Not all of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation. - false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "
(B) Everyone who will be heard by the next generation keeps a journal. - it this trick, it is reversed statement that is not necessarily true. Too strong, "everyone"
(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists. - wou really ?! what if they don't have any journal? Observe that official answer choice is wrong here.
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists. yes! bingo. Remember the statement "Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists." of course there are other people who keep journals.
(E) The next generation will bear some of those who are true artists but not all of them. false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "


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(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists. - wou really ?! what if they don't have any journal? Observe that official answer choice is wrong here.


The option does not say that next generation will hear from ALL insufferable egotists and true artists. You seem to have assumed that to be the case. If you think without that assumption, then C shines!

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(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists. yes! bingo. Remember the statement "Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists." of course there are other people who keep journals.


Here, you've assumed that the there are others besides the artists, observers and egotists. Again, there is no implication or inference from the premise to support this. So, this is a trap!

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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 11 Oct 2011, 11:30
Thinking of it as a venn diagram. C seems to be the obvious choice.
people who keep journals is a subset of the people who will be heard. all the others are sub categories within this
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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 25 Oct 2011, 22:27
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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 25 Oct 2011, 23:55
I will go with C

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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 26 Oct 2011, 06:40
+1 for C.

DexDee was spot on in identifying the trap.

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Re: Tough CR [#permalink] New post 26 Oct 2011, 22:23
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