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Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) it had in its previous campaigns
(B) its previous campaigns had had
(C) It had for any previous campaign
(D) In its previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign
OA after some discussion.
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Hi there, Let’s stick to the official question that reads: Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days. Error Analysis:1. Plural pronoun “they” does not agree in number with singular “army”. 2. This sentence compares “supplies” with “army”. This is not logical. PoE:(A) they had in their previous campaigns: Incorrect for the reasons stated above. (B) their previous campaigns had had: Incorrect. 1. Repeats the pronoun error of choice A. 2. “supplies” has been compared with “their previous campaigns”. (C) they had for any previous campaign: Incorrect. Repeats all the errors of choice A. (D) in their previous campaigns: Incorrect. Plural pronoun “their” does not agree in number with singular “army”. (E) for any previous campaign: Correct. The structure here is: …far more supplies than (supplies) for any previous campaign… Hope this helps.  Thanks. Shraddha
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Jp27 wrote: Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) it had in its previous campaigns
(B) its previous campaigns had had
(C) It had for any previous campaign
(D) In its previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign
OA after some discussion. A Correct B Usage of past perfect doesn't make sense as event not related. Sequence of events need not be described. C Changing the scope D Supplies compared with campaigns E same as C OA please
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This is the modified version of the OG topic, given below. Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than t hey had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days. (A) they had in their previous campaigns (B) their previous campaigns had had (C) they had for any previous campaign (D) in their previous campaigns (E) for any previous campaign The correct answer for the above original version is E, which is indisputable, because it is OG’s OA. In the new version all the plural pronouns have been changed to singular pronouns. But still the OG’s correct answer namely E remains, since both choices are verbatim the same. The other choices are null and void, since no GMAT questions will have two correct answers. But to go deep into the topic, this is a question of comparisons. More supplies are being compared with the army in A and C, campaigns in B. The comparison should be from campaign to campaign. It cannot be between the Russian campaign on one hand and all the campaigns put together on the other hand. This is like saying Simla apple has more nutrients than in other apples, an unequal comparison.So, D is gone. This leaves us with E, where campaign to campaign is compared.
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Jp27 wrote: Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) it had in its previous campaigns it,is Russia the antecedent or army?
(B) its previous campaigns had had its,what is the antecedent?
(C) It had for any previous campaign it,is Russia the antecedent or army?
(D) In its previous campaigns its,what is the antecedent?
(E) for any previous campaign correct
. I think the answer is E. oops just read the post. OA is E. Cool!!. But bummed that I had a completely different viewpoint of looking at it.
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Re: Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more [#permalink]
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Jp27 wrote: Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) it had in its previous campaigns
(B) its previous campaigns had had
(C) It had for any previous campaign
(D) In its previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign
OA after some discussion. Although i have gone through all of the explanations but i'm still not getting it,,,kindly help me out in much more simpler terms I would appreciate it,, Thank U in advance
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28 Nov 2012, 01:50
daagh wrote: This is the modified version of the OG topic, given below.
Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(B) their previous campaigns had had
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign
The correct answer for the above original version is E, which is indisputable, because it is OG’s OA.
In the new version all the plural pronouns have been changed to singular pronouns. But still the OG’s correct answer namely E remains, since both choices are verbatim the same. The other choices are null and void, since no GMAT questions will have two correct answers.
But to go deep into the topic, this is a question of comparisons. More supplies are being compared with the army in A and C, campaigns in B. The comparison should be from campaign to campaign. It cannot be between the Russian campaign on one hand and all the campaigns put together on the other hand. This is like saying Simla apple has more nutrients than in other apples, an unequal comparison.So, D is gone. This leaves us with E, where campaign to campaign is compared. I'm not a fan of this modified OG problem. Anyways, I fail to understand your reasoning behind the highlighted portion. I think it is supplies vs supplies here. Can you please elaborate.
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egmat wrote: Hi there, Let’s stick to the official question that reads: Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days. Error Analysis:1. Plural pronoun “they” does not agree in number with singular “army”. 2. This sentence compares “supplies” with “army”. This is not logical. PoE:(A) they had in their previous campaigns: Incorrect for the reasons stated above. (B) their previous campaigns had had: Incorrect. 1. Repeats the pronoun error of choice A. 2. “supplies” has been compared with “their previous campaigns”. (C) they had for any previous campaign: Incorrect. Repeats all the errors of choice A. (D) in their previous campaigns: Incorrect. Plural pronoun “their” does not agree in number with singular “army”. (E) for any previous campaign: Correct. The structure here is: …far more supplies than (supplies) for any previous campaign… Hope this helps. Thanks. Shraddha Shraddha, I understand why E is correct because of the pronoun issue. I'm still not comfortable with the comparison issue in A. Let me elaborate a bit more: If I re-write this sentence as: Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days. I don't see any error in the above. Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies) it had in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days. Isn't supply understood here?
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egmat wrote: Hi there, Let’s stick to the official question that reads: Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days. Error Analysis:1. Plural pronoun “they” does not agree in number with singular “army”. 2. This sentence compares “supplies” with “army”. This is not logical. PoE:(A) they had in their previous campaigns: Incorrect for the reasons stated above. (B) their previous campaigns had had: Incorrect. 1. Repeats the pronoun error of choice A. 2. “supplies” has been compared with “their previous campaigns”. (C) they had for any previous campaign: Incorrect. Repeats all the errors of choice A. (D) in their previous campaigns: Incorrect. Plural pronoun “their” does not agree in number with singular “army”. (E) for any previous campaign: Correct. The structure here is: …far more supplies than (supplies) for any previous campaign… Hope this helps. Thanks. Shraddha Hi Shraddha,y I too agree with your choice for that official question.. But in the question posted here dosn't have any pronoun error at at ll.... Then why not D for me? Please correct me if im wrong...
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Shradha, I concur below remarks.. I don't see any comparison issue in the original statement. Ellipsis is playing its part. Let me clarify a bit more. An example - Apple sold fewer iphones this year than apple sold iphones last year. Meaning- We are comparing Sales of iphone this year vs Sales of iphone last year IS AS GOOD AS - Apple sold fewer iphones this year than last year. Meaning- We are comparing Sales of iphone this year vs Sales of iphone last year Rather than this year vs Last year. This sentence is perfectly fine. If we go with your approach, then we are comparing iphones with last year, which is incorrect. Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had[supplies] in its previous campaigns - Supplies is understood
Please let me know if I am missing something.
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I understand why E is correct because of the pronoun issue. I'm still not comfortable with the comparison issue in A.
Let me elaborate a bit more:
If I re-write this sentence as:
Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than [u] it had in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
I don't see any error in the above.
Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies) it had in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
Isn't supply understood here?
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imhimanshu wrote: Shradha, I concur below remarks.. I don't see any comparison issue in the original statement. Ellipsis is playing its part. Let me clarify a bit more. An example - Apple sold fewer iphones this year than apple sold iphones last year. Meaning- We are comparing Sales of iphone this year vs Sales of iphone last year IS AS GOOD AS - Apple sold fewer iphones this year than last year. Meaning- We are comparing Sales of iphone this year vs Sales of iphone last year Rather than this year vs Last year. This sentence is perfectly fine. If we go with your approach, then we are comparing iphones with last year, which is incorrect. Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had[supplies] in its previous campaigns - Supplies is understood
Please let me know if I am missing something.
jumsumtak wrote:
Shraddha,
I understand why E is correct because of the pronoun issue. I'm still not comfortable with the comparison issue in A.
Let me elaborate a bit more:
If I re-write this sentence as:
Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than [u] it had in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
I don't see any error in the above.
Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies) it had in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
Isn't supply understood here?
Just my opinion, please correct me if you feel something is wrong. Ellipsis comes into play when there is exact parallelism. See this question for example : between-1925-and-1935-5-million-of-the-10-million-houses-141766.html#p1139646In this case there is no such parallelism marker here.....
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imhimanshu wrote: Shradha, I concur below remarks.. I don't see any comparison issue in the original statement. Ellipsis is playing its part. Let me clarify a bit more. An example - Apple sold fewer iphones this year than apple sold iphones last year. Meaning- We are comparing Sales of iphone this year vs Sales of iphone last year IS AS GOOD AS - Apple sold fewer iphones this year than last year. Meaning- We are comparing Sales of iphone this year vs Sales of iphone last year Rather than this year vs Last year. This sentence is perfectly fine. If we go with your approach, then we are comparing iphones with last year, which is incorrect. Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had[supplies] in its previous campaigns - Supplies is understood
Please let me know if I am missing something.
jumsumtak wrote:
Shraddha,
I understand why E is correct because of the pronoun issue. I'm still not comfortable with the comparison issue in A.
Let me elaborate a bit more:
If I re-write this sentence as:
Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than [u] it had in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
I don't see any error in the above.
Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies) it had in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
Isn't supply understood here?
shradha / e gmat I also don't think there's any parallelism issue here.. Could u please clarify..
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