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Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign

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Army is singular so eliminate a,b,c.Why is the answer e?Is'nt "d " better?
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Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns - their is not correct here. Napoleon's army and their - pronoun error
(E) for any previous campaign

Army is singular so eliminate a,b,c.Why is the answer e?Is'nt "d " better?

E is the best. Rest four of the answer choices have 'their' or 'they'.
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Army is singular so "their" in D is wrong
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27 Feb 2012, 12:08
What is wrong with (B)?

Isn't their in B referring to campaigns?

OG claims that it refers to army, I fail to see that.
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25 Apr 2012, 11:08
Lstadt: a, b, c, d all have "their" which is wrong since army is singular
Only choice E is correct, I missed that one as well.
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25 Apr 2012, 19:59
pronoun error in using their since army is singular.. Only E addresses this error, missed that one...
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army is singular look at the non underlined portion 'it' only E is correct.
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Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

(A) they had in their previous campaigns
Army is a collective noun thus its referent has to be singular.
Same error here
(C) they had for any previous campaign
Same error here
(D) in their previous campaigns
Same error here
(E) for any previous campaign
Looking good.
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11 May 2014, 06:12
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Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign

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Army is singular so eliminate a,b,c.Why is the answer e?Is'nt "d " better?

what is the usage of For over here ?
OG Says. "In the context of supplies for a campaign, the preposition for is preferable to the preposition in"
Please explain in detail with few examples .
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11 May 2014, 21:04
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tejal777 wrote:
Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign

[Reveal] Spoiler:
Army is singular so eliminate a,b,c.Why is the answer e?Is'nt "d " better?

what is the usage of For over here ?
OG Says. "In the context of supplies for a campaign, the preposition for is preferable to the preposition in"
Please explain in detail with few examples .

Hi abid1986,

'For' here is used on behalf of the supply.

Army entered Russia with far more supplies than for any previous campaign.

Say the Army had 1200 ammunition(supply) 'FOR' its first campaign....
Say the Army had 1500 ammunition(supply) 'FOR' its second campaign....

and when the Army entered Russia, it had 1700 ammunition(supply), which is far more than the ammunition(supply) for any of its previous campaign.

I hope it is clear now.

Correct me if I am wrong somewhere.
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12 May 2014, 19:57
abid1986 wrote:
tejal777 wrote:
Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign

[Reveal] Spoiler:
Army is singular so eliminate a,b,c.Why is the answer e?Is'nt "d " better?

what is the usage of For over here ?
OG Says. "In the context of supplies for a campaign, the preposition for is preferable to the preposition in"
Please explain in detail with few examples .

Dear Abid,

We can surely discuss the use of "for" in the correct sentence. However, before we do so, I would like to request you to kindly me send your meaning and error analysis of the original sentence. If, while solving the question, you marked some other choice as the correct answer, then I would like to request you to kindly post your analysis of that choice as well. Your analyses will provide me with an opportunity to understand your thought process and guide the discussion accordingly. Hope you'll appreciate the same.

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13 May 2014, 21:22
Hello eGMAT,

Nice explanation in the video. I bit more elaboration on the preposition 'in Vs for'. Can you provide couple of more examples that shows correct usage of both 'in' and 'for' ?
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Hello eGMAT,

Nice explanation in the video. I bit more elaboration on the preposition 'in Vs for'. Can you provide couple of more examples that shows correct usage of both 'in' and 'for' ?

Hi umeshpatil,
Thank you for the post.

Let’s first discuss try to understand the usage of ‘in’ and ‘for’ with a few simple examples:
Tom lives in Delhi. (Place)
Ron completed his graduation in 2008. (Point of time)

He will leave for London tonight. (Purpose)
She loves her job, for it is challenging. (Reason)
I have been preparing for GMAT for the last 6 months. (Time duration)

Let’s now discuss an official question to make your understanding more clear regarding the usage of the prepositions ‘in’ and ‘for’.

OFFICIAL QUESTION

• Along the major rivers that traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India, the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in at least 6,000 years.

A. good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in
B. good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured for
C. of good growing conditions have encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endured for
D. of good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured
E. of good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, been enduring for

SENTENCE STRUCTURE
• Along the major rivers
o that traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India,
• the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions
o that, in places, endure in at least 6,000 years.

MEANING ANALYSIS
• This sentence tells us about the area along the major rivers that flow through the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India.
• It says that in this area the combination of reliable water supply and good growing conditions promoted farming traditions.
o In some places, these farming traditions have endured over the last 6,000 years.

ERROR ANALYSIS
There are three errors in the given sentence.
1) Verb tense: ‘endure’ does not represent the longevity of the farming traditions. The farming traditions have been in existence for 6,000 years. This can’t be represented using the simple present tense.

2) Idiom: ‘in at least 6,000 years’ is incorrect idiomatic usage in this context. Let’s consider two examples:
I started working at e-GMAT in 2012. (To refer to a point of time)
I have worked at e-GMAT for 2 years. (To show a time duration)

3) Redundancy: In this sentence, ‘both’ is redundant since the word ‘combination’ conveys the intended meaning.

Let’s now analyze the correct option, i.e. option B.
OPTION B

• Along the major rivers
o that traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India,
• the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions
o that have, in places, endured for at least 6,000 years.

In this option, both ‘in’ and ‘for’ are correctly used.

Hope the above discussion helps!

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16 May 2014, 22:05
Thanks for the wonderful explanation Deepak. (+1 kudo)

'for' used in Napoleon's example shows reason ( for any previous campaign)
'for' used in OG example given by you shows time duration (for at least 6,000 years)

I understand constraints of getting OG questions with expected intent.
My question was regarding usage of 'for' to explain reason. The below example given by you is one what I wanted..

She loves her job, for it is challenging. (Reason)

Usage such as above is less seen in Indian English. We usually tend to express idea using conjunctions - because, as, hence, so.
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07 Jul 2014, 20:42
this question has pronoun errors :-

Here subject is "Nepoleon's army"-singular entered in Russia for more supplies than "Nepoleon's army" had in their previous campaigns

Bold part can be be replaced by only plural pronouns so a,b,c and d wrong straight away

Also if you look at D idiom is "supply for" not "supply in" So E is better

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02 Oct 2014, 11:42
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Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign

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Army is singular so eliminate a,b,c.Why is the answer e?Is'nt "d " better?

uuuuu close one. Was almost tempted to select the wrong choice.
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21 Nov 2014, 21:35
Can someone please explain what does "had had" means? The usage of this can be very limited and its really confusing. Also Please let me know if there are any examples which uses these kind of verbs.
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04 Jan 2015, 09:40
tejal777 wrote:
Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign

[Reveal] Spoiler:
Army is singular so eliminate a,b,c.Why is the answer e?Is'nt "d " better?

Army = singular so A,B,C,D out

in E - campaign is plural

hence E - correct OA
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07 Aug 2015, 03:49
Hi

Thanks for a useful discussion here.

I understand how POE helps to get the right answer here [E]. However, I am a bit confused with the comparison here.

Are we comparing supplies that the army use when entered Russia with the support for any previous campaign?

If so, why can we omit the supplies in the correct answer "for any previous campaign"?
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