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Re: France [#permalink] New post 15 Aug 2011, 02:34
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Re: France [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2011, 00:38
After reading everyone explanation, i find B is correct one, even i chosen D as Answer. thanks to everyone
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Re: France [#permalink] New post 22 Aug 2011, 01:57
Modifier issue.
"at a comprable rate" is not clearly modifying any sentence.
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Re: France [#permalink] New post 03 Sep 2011, 23:00
The only problem with the original statement is "their" which is ambiguous in it's reference.
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Re: France [#permalink] New post 04 Sep 2011, 02:28
A) people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their (comparing people with United States- Wrong
(B) people in France and the United States consume fatty foods at about the same rate, the (Sound ok)
(C) fatty foods are consumed by people in France at a comparable rate to the United States’s, their wrong comparison
(D) the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States is about the same, the (Who is consuming ? / Death rates of what- not clear)
(E) the rate of people consuming fatty foods is about the same in France and the United States, the (rate of people---- It can only in numbers not in rate ..confused author :) )
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Re: Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate [#permalink] New post 16 Aug 2012, 05:07
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Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their death rates from heart disease are far lower in France.

(A) people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their
(B) people in France and the United States consume fatty foods at about the same rate, the
(C) fatty foods are consumed by people in France at a comparable rate to the United States’s, their
(D) the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States is about the same, the
(E) the rate of people consuming fatty foods is about the same in France and the United States, the


Modifiers are king on the GMAT. An ability to recognize misplaced modifiers is key to overcoming the recent meaning-centered Sentence Correction questions on the "revised" GMAT, for modifiers and meaning go hand in hand. This means that the more comfortable you are with modifiers, the less active/conscious effort you have to make in understanding the intended meaning of a given SC question.

A) Wrong because a rate (at which people in France consume fatty foods) is being compared to a country (United States)
B) Correct. A comparable item (rate) is being compared between two groups. Correct comparison of like versus like.
C) Wrong Because rate is being compared to an ambiguous item, the United States' something (what exactly? United States' people? United States' rate?) Also, note that saying that "fatty foods are consumed by people in France at a comparable rate to .... is not as correct as saying "fatty foods are consumed by people in France at a rate comparable to ...). "Their" seems to refer to fatty foods or people....another error.
D) Wrong Modifier Error. You can't say "the rate of fatty foods...."; you can say "the rate of consumption...". Note that the "consumed in France...." in "the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States" is only a modifier that is modifying "fatty foods", and this bring us back to why you can't say "the rate of fatty foods [(a noun (phrase) like (fatty) foods cannot be measured by a rate; however a noun like consumption can)] consumed in France and the United States (modifier of fatty foods)"
E) Wrong Another Modifier Error. "the rate of people consuming fatty foods is about the same in France and the United States". You can't say "The rate of people" since "consuming fatty foods is about the same in France and the United States" is merely modifying the noun "people" or "rate of people". The latter is illogical since a "rate (of people or of anything else)" cannot physically consume fatty foods

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Re: Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate [#permalink] New post 20 Aug 2012, 22:21
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D) Wrong Modifier Error. You can't say "the rate of fatty foods...."; you can say "the rate of consumption...". Note that the "consumed in France...." in "the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States" is only a modifier that is modifying "fatty foods", and this bring us back to why you can't say "the rate of fatty foods [(a noun (phrase) like (fatty) foods cannot be measured by a rate; however a noun like consumption can)] consumed in France and the United States (modifier of fatty foods)"


I felt like saying "Nein Nein Nein" (Courtesy: Der Untergang)

The rate of fatty foods consumed is not a wrong expression. I feel the main problem with this option was that it replaces "People" with a generalization. So, the rate of which people were consuming now CHANGED MEANING to the country as a whole consuming more fatty foods. For e.g. lets say the original meaning was meant for people, in option D you can include everything under the sun (people, animals, birds, politicians..etc.)
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Re: Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate [#permalink] New post 21 Aug 2012, 00:24
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D) Wrong Modifier Error. You can't say "the rate of fatty foods...."; you can say "the rate of consumption...". Note that the "consumed in France...." in "the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States" is only a modifier that is modifying "fatty foods", and this bring us back to why you can't say "the rate of fatty foods [(a noun (phrase) like (fatty) foods cannot be measured by a rate; however a noun like consumption can)] consumed in France and the United States (modifier of fatty foods)"


I felt like saying "Nein Nein Nein" (Courtesy: Der Untergang)

The rate of fatty foods consumed is not a wrong expression. I feel the main problem with this option was that it replaces "People" with a generalization. So, the rate of which people were consuming now CHANGED MEANING to the country as a whole consuming more fatty foods. For e.g. lets say the original meaning was meant for people, in option D you can include everything under the sun (people, animals, birds, politicians..etc.)


I am afraid I have to insist that "the rate of fatty foods consumed...." is wrong, because you can't say "the rate of fatty foods"; the phrase, "consumed in France etc," which follows "fatty foods," merely modifies the latter.

As a further illustration, consider the following:

1) The rate of water consumed by Anatolians is high. (Wrong)
2) The volume of water consumed by Anatolians iis high. (Correct)

In the first example, you have something similar to the error in "the rate of fatty foods consumed," a mistake in meaning already discussed above.
The second example is clear/correct, because water can indeed be measured in volume, but not in rate.

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Re: Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate [#permalink] New post 21 Aug 2012, 00:36
OK. If you look at it that way maybe you are right because you can't consume RATE, rather you can only consume the object that RATE is describing.

Another problem I just noticed with this answer choice is the tense.

the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States is about the same.

The above is of the form X and Y is about the same. It should be X and Y are about the same.
In this case X and Y are not parallel.

The correct answer B eliminates the problem.
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Re: Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate [#permalink] New post 21 Aug 2012, 00:44
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Another problem I just noticed with this answer choice is the tense.

the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States is about the same.

The above is of the form X and Y is about the same. It should be X and Y are about the same.
In this case X and Y are not parallel.

The correct answer B eliminates the problem.


I am afraid that I have to point out another erroneous item. First of all, I don't think you meant to say "tense" (which refers to time an action is performed). Tense is not the same as the singular/plural concept (aka Subject/Verb agreement)

In the above example, "The rate of fatty foods..." is a singular noun phrase, so it must match with the singular (auxiliary) verb "is," and NOT "are," as you erroneously pointed out in your faux parallelism analysis. Hope this helps. Feedback welcome, sir.

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Re: Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate [#permalink] New post 21 Aug 2012, 00:47
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Re: Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2012, 07:35
A good question. This is one of the more frequently seen types on SC wherein the comparison setup in the statements is wrong. Once one understands that is is the people that are being compared and not the rates or countries then reaching the answer B is a lot more easier.
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Re: Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate [#permalink] New post 18 Nov 2013, 01:40
So we have to choose between incorrect comparison and incorrect idioms, what do we choose? B or D
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Re: Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate [#permalink] New post 01 Aug 2014, 07:47
I went for D while solving the question.... after reading the explanation the answer seems to be B ... still i am a bit confused regarding the concept of " rate of fatty acid consumed"... y is it wrong...
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Re: Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate [#permalink] New post 01 Aug 2014, 12:26
B is the right answer
It makes the most sense and is free from error.
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Re: Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate [#permalink] New post 01 Aug 2014, 22:24
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Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their death rates from heart disease are far lower in France.

(A) people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their
(B) people in France and the United States consume fatty foods at about the same rate, the
(C) fatty foods are consumed by people in France at a comparable rate to the United States’s, their
(D) the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States is about the same, the
(E) the rate of people consuming fatty foods is about the same in France and the United States, the


2/3 split "the" and "their". "their" will make readers confused between people in France and the US -> the is correct
B, D, E are remained. The rate of food or rate of people is incorrect, should be the rate of consuming food. So B is correct.

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Re: Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate [#permalink] New post 10 Aug 2014, 00:33
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Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their death rates from heart disease are far lower in France.

(A) people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their
(B) people in France and the United States consume fatty foods at about the same rate, the
(C) fatty foods are consumed by people in France at a comparable rate to the United States’s, their
(D) the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States is about the same, the
(E) the rate of people consuming fatty foods is about the same in France and the United States, the


Meaning: People in France consumes at a similar rate compared to people in US, the death rate of people in US is far lower than that of France.

(A) people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their
Comparison error -> Incorrect
(B) people in France and the United States consume fatty foods at about the same rate, the
-> Looks good.
(C) fatty foods are consumed by people in France at a comparable rate to the United States’s, their
Only issue I can find is voice is changed. Is there any other error?

(D) the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States is about the same, the
rate is consumed? Not correct "Rate at which" would be better

(E) the rate of people consuming fatty foods is about the same in France and the United States, the
rate of people -> Changes the meaning. The original sentence said people in both countries are consuming fatty food at a similar rate. This sentence says rate of people is same in both the countries.
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Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their death rates from heart disease are far lower in France.

(A) people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their
(B) people in France and the United States consume fatty foods at about the same rate, the
(C) fatty foods are consumed by people in France at a comparable rate to the United States’s, their
(D) the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States is about the same, the
(E) the rate of people consuming fatty foods is about the same in France and the United States, the


Meaning: People in France consumes at a similar rate compared to people in US, the death rate of people in US is far lower than that of France.

(A) people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their
Comparison error -> Incorrect
(B) people in France and the United States consume fatty foods at about the same rate, the
-> Looks good.
(C) fatty foods are consumed by people in France at a comparable rate to the United States’s, their
Only issue I can find is voice is changed. Is there any other error?

(D) the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States is about the same, the
rate is consumed? Not correct "Rate at which" would be better

(E) the rate of people consuming fatty foods is about the same in France and the United States, the
rate of people -> Changes the meaning. The original sentence said people in both countries are consuming fatty food at a similar rate. This sentence says rate of people is same in both the countries.


Hi kinjiGC,

Thanks for posting your doubt here. :-)

Your analysis of this question looks pretty good. Keep up the good work. :-)

There is just one point that I want to add here. Use of "their" is not correct in Choices A and C. The pronoun "their" in both the choices seems to refer to the "people in France". This reference certainly makes the latter part of the sentence illogical.

Hope this helps. :-)
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Re: Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate [#permalink] New post 12 Aug 2014, 04:24
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Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their death rates from heart disease are far lower in France.

(A) people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their
(B) people in France and the United States consume fatty foods at about the same rate, the
(C) fatty foods are consumed by people in France at a comparable rate to the United States’s, their
(D) the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States is about the same, the
(E) the rate of people consuming fatty foods is about the same in France and the United States, the


A : wrong comparison < People in France compared with US >
B : Correct
C : use of apostrophe S is wrong, Parallelism in structure although X, Y wrong
D : Passive construction
E : Meaning distorted
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Re: Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate [#permalink] New post 18 Oct 2014, 12:11
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kinjiGC wrote:
cruiser wrote:
Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their death rates from heart disease are far lower in France.

(A) people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their
(B) people in France and the United States consume fatty foods at about the same rate, the
(C) fatty foods are consumed by people in France at a comparable rate to the United States’s, their
(D) the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States is about the same, the
(E) the rate of people consuming fatty foods is about the same in France and the United States, the


Meaning: People in France consumes at a similar rate compared to people in US, the death rate of people in US is far lower than that of France.

(A) people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their
Comparison error -> Incorrect
(B) people in France and the United States consume fatty foods at about the same rate, the
-> Looks good.
(C) fatty foods are consumed by people in France at a comparable rate to the United States’s, their
Only issue I can find is voice is changed. Is there any other error?

(D) the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States is about the same, the
rate is consumed? Not correct "Rate at which" would be better

(E) the rate of people consuming fatty foods is about the same in France and the United States, the
rate of people -> Changes the meaning. The original sentence said people in both countries are consuming fatty food at a similar rate. This sentence says rate of people is same in both the countries.


Hi kinjiGC,

Thanks for posting your doubt here. :-)

Your analysis of this question looks pretty good. Keep up the good work. :-)

There is just one point that I want to add here. Use of "their" is not correct in Choices A and C. The pronoun "their" in both the choices seems to refer to the "people in France". This reference certainly makes the latter part of the sentence illogical.

Hope this helps. :-)
Thanks.
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Hi e-gmat,

Question for D -- why is the meaning wrong? Doesn't it literally mean -- "(rate of) the consumption of fatty foods" -- isn't that what we want?

Thanks!
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