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Re: Among lower- paid workers, union members are less likely [#permalink] New post 06 Feb 2013, 00:54
Among lower- paid workers, union members are less likely than non union members to be enrolled in lower- end insurance plans imposing stricter limits on medical services and requiring doctors to see more patients, and spend less time with each.

(A) imposing stricter limits on medical services and requiring doctors to see more patients, and spend. Incorrect. "And spend less time with each" does not refer to doctors but rather the low end insurance plans..
(B) imposing stricter limits on medical services , requiring doctors to see more patients, and spending. Incorrect. "and spending" does not refer to doctors but rather the low end insurance plans.
(C) that impose stricter limits on medical services, require doctors to see more patients, and spend . Incorrect "And spend less time with each" does not refer clearly to doctors.
D) that impose stricter limits on medical services and require doctors to see more patients, spending - Correct. "And spend less time with each" needs to refer clearly to doctors. We need to maintain parallelism between "impose" and "require".
(E) that impose stricter limits on medical services, requiring doctors to see more patients and spending. Incorrect. There are two effets of low insurance plans - imposing strict limits and requiring doctors. This sentence tends to imply that the "requiring doctors" is an outcome of imposing stricter limits which is wrong.
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Re: Low- paid workers [#permalink] New post 28 Sep 2013, 11:23
chetan2u wrote:
here 'that impose' is better than 'imposing' as 'that' relates to the word immediately preceding it therefore A and B
are out.... now there are 3 activities a)impose stricter limits on medical services b) require doctors to see more patients, and c)spend less time with each.in these a and b are independent and c is dependent on b....
C makes all a ,b ,c independent...... E makes b and c dependent on a..
only D makes a and b are independent and c dependent on b.. therefore D is the ans...
hope i have been some help..



Thanks Chetan!... Very well explained!
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Re: Among lower- paid workers, union members are less likely [#permalink] New post 15 Oct 2013, 05:11
took 6 mins and selected E : (... @ramananda can u pls explain. U are like my teacher now : )
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Re: Among lower- paid workers, union members are less likely [#permalink] New post 15 Oct 2013, 05:28
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took 6 mins and selected E : (... @ramananda can u pls explain. U are like my teacher now : )


The thing with using verb-ing modifiers is that they will make the clause dependent on the outcome of previous clause or vice versa. Here "doctors have to see more patients" not because of stricter limits on medical services but, E leads you to believe that that is the reason , whereas option D uses and which makes the relationship independent. The clause at the end; however, is dependent on or is an outcome of the previous clause. You can say that because doctors have to see more patients they have to spend less time with each, Hence verb-ing form here is correct.
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Re: Among lower- paid workers, union members are less likely [#permalink] New post 17 Oct 2013, 05:49
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Re: Among lower- paid workers, union members are less likely [#permalink] New post 17 Oct 2013, 12:01
(D) that impose stricter limits on medical services and that require doctors to see more patients, spending

I think there should be " THAT " after and. What do you guys think ?
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Re: Low- paid workers [#permalink] New post 22 Apr 2014, 03:47
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hey guys,

nice debate over this stuff.

This is GMATprepr SC and OA is D.

Look at the explanation by Stacey Koprince, Manhattan GMAT instructor, who scored 780.


Among <big group>, <sub-group A> are less likely than <sub-group B> to X.

In the original sentence, X is a very complex clause with two sets of compound modifiers:
to be enrolled in <Y> imposing <modifier1> and requiring<modifier1> [to see <modifier 2> and spend <modifier2>]

The first set of modifiers modifies something before "imposing"; in addition, the "imposing" and "requiring" parts are parallel. The second set modifies something before "to see"; in addition, the "see" and "spend" parts are parallel.

So, let's start with: what are they modifiying? Nouns or clauses? Something, someone, or some clause is "imposing limits" and "requiring doctors" - what is it? It's the "insurance plans." That's a noun, so we want a noun modifier setup. Those -ing words that introduce modifying phrases or clauses indicate adverbial modifiers, not noun modifiers. Eliminate A. Scan the answer. Eliminate B for repeating the error.

You could also have started with the second set: what do they modify? They modify "doctors" and parallelism dictates that we read it as "require doctors to see more" and "<require doctors to> spend less time." The plan actually requires doctors to spend less time with patients? That meaning seems... off. More logically, spending less time would seem to be a consequence of having to see more patients in the first place.

C, D, and E all start with "that." "That" is an indicator of a noun modifier, so that's good. Let's check parallelism next, since we know compound modifiers need to be parallel. This is where it can get a little messy, because we also have "nested" modifiers. So go back and pick apart that meaning:

For simplicity, I'll just type one form of each relevant word. We've got: impose, require, see, spend. Should they all be parallel? Are only some parallel to others? What is each one talking about? Let's see.

The "insurance plans" both impose limits and require doctors, so those two should be parallel. Do the plans see more patients? Nope - the plan requires the doctors to see more patients. Do the plans spend less time with the patients? No - that's also the doctors. Do the plans require doctors to spend less time with patients? I hope not! The "spending less time" thing is a consequence of the previous requirement (having to see more patients).

C says: impose, require, and spend. This says that "insurance plans that impose limits, <insurance plans that> require doctors to see more patients, and <insurance plans that> spend less time with each. That last one has a nonsensical meaning - eliminate.
D says impose and require, spending. This says that "insurance plans that impose limits and <insurance plans that> require doctors to see more patients, spending less time with each." The ", spending" set-up indicates an adverbial modifier. Why are they spending less time with each? Not because they are doctors (noun) or because of the patients (noun), but because the doctors are required to see more patients (clause). Adverbial modifiers modify clauses. So this works.
E says impose, requiring and spending. This says "insurance plans that impose limits, requiring doctors to see more and spending less time with each." The ", requiring... and spending" pieces indicate a compoun adverbial modifier, so the fact that the plans impose limits should result in (a) doctors seeing more patients, and (b) someone (unclear who) spending less time with each. Are the doctors spending less time with the patients? Technically, (a) and (b) should be able to stand completely alone. If I strip out (a), I'm left with "insurance plans that impose stricter limits on medical services, spending less time with each." Who's actually spending less time? I don't know. Meaning is ambiguous - eliminate.
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Awesome explanation. Never looked modifier in this way. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Among lower- paid workers, union members are less likely [#permalink] New post 24 Apr 2014, 22:10
sreehari1250 wrote:
Among lower- paid workers, union members are less likely than non union members to be enrolled in lower- end insurance plans imposing stricter limits on medical services and requiring doctors to see more patients, and spend less time with each.

(A) imposing stricter limits on medical services and requiring doctors to see more patients, and spend
(B) imposing stricter limits on medical services , requiring doctors to see more patients, and spending
(C) that impose stricter limits on medical services, require doctors to see more patients, and spend
(D) that impose stricter limits on medical services and require doctors to see more patients, spending
(E) that impose stricter limits on medical services, requiring doctors to see more patients and spending

I choose "C" but it is incorrect please explain the correct answer


In option D,Is spending is modifying the entire Independent clause ( Union members.....to see more patient)by showing
the result of the clause ?

is it possible that comma verbing(spending) can modify dependent clause? i.e lower-end insurance plans requrie doctors to see more patients
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Re: Among lower- paid workers, union members are less likely [#permalink] New post 29 Apr 2014, 07:24
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sreehari1250 wrote:
Among lower- paid workers, union members are less likely than non union members to be enrolled in lower- end insurance plans imposing stricter limits on medical services and requiring doctors to see more patients, and spend less time with each.

(A) imposing stricter limits on medical services and requiring doctors to see more patients, and spend
(B) imposing stricter limits on medical services , requiring doctors to see more patients, and spending
(C) that impose stricter limits on medical services, require doctors to see more patients, and spend
(D) that impose stricter limits on medical services and require doctors to see more patients, spending
(E) that impose stricter limits on medical services, requiring doctors to see more patients and spending

I choose "C" but it is incorrect please explain the correct answer


In option D,Is spending is modifying the entire Independent clause ( Union members.....to see more patient)by showing
the result of the clause ?

is it possible that comma verbing(spending) can modify dependent clause? i.e lower-end insurance plans requrie doctors to see more patients


Dear Abid,
Thank you for your query. :)
I feel that the discussion on the correct answer and the use of comma + verb –ing modifier will be more relevant and productive after we analyze your understanding of the intended meaning of the author. Accordingly, please send me your meaning analysis and your reasons for marking choice C, showing how choice C conveys the intended meaning.

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Re: Among lower- paid workers, union members are less likely [#permalink] New post 29 Apr 2014, 23:27
Indeed the comma + verb –ing modifier usage (spending less time with each) is not very easy to understand here. What is it modifying?
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Re: Among lower- paid workers, union members are less likely [#permalink] New post 23 May 2014, 21:20
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Indeed the comma + verb –ing modifier usage (spending less time with each) is not very easy to understand here. What is it modifying?




Hi ayushman,


The 'comma + verb-ing' modifier modifies the preceding clause. In this case the structure of the sentence is:

that impose stricter limits on medical services and require doctors to see more patients, spending less time with each.

Now, when a verb-ing modifier is placed after a clause and preceded by a comma then it modifies the clause in one of the following two ways:

1. Either it provides additional information about the clause.
2. Or it tells us about the result of the action in the clause.


The given sentence means that the lower-end insurance plans do two things:

i.) impose stricter limits on medical services
ii.) and require doctors to see more patients


Now, this verb-ing modifier modifies the action that is placed right before it i.e. require doctors to see more patients and tells us the result of this action.

MEANING:

The insurance plans require doctors to see more patients. This results in a doctor spending less time with each patient.



Hope this helps! :)
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