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106. Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea’s aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

(A) in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
(B) in healing physical and mental ills and to thank her for helping
(C) in healing physical and mental ills, and thanking her for helping
(D) to heal physical and mental ills or to thank her for such help
(E) to heal physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help

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Noboru,

Yes you are correct, both Aid in and Aid to are correct. But pay attention.....to what follows the propostions.

Aid to the victims (noun) is available
Her Aid in walking (verb) the dog is appreciated.

As you can see, the question, requires the second version because healing is a verb.

So based on idiom itself, you can eliminate D and E. And among A,B,C - A is the only one that follows correct either/or structure. Therefore A is correct.
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106. Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea’s aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.
(A) in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
(B) in healing physical and mental ills and to thank her for helping
(C) in healing physical and mental ills, and thanking her for helping
(D) to heal physical and mental ills or to thank her for such help
(E) to heal physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help

I am responding to a pm from sujit2k7.

This is from the OG --- it's SC #109 in the OG12. Here's the OA
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When the verb "to aid" is followed by a verb, then
(a) "aid" + "in" + [gerund] is correct according to the idiom
but
(b) "aid" + [infinitive] is incorrect idiomatically

Remember
gerund = the "-ing" form of a verb used as a noun -- "I like singing", "Eating vegetables is good for you."
infinitive = the standard dictionary-listing for a verb, preceded by the preposition "to" --- "to be or not to be"
See this blog for more on infinitives and infinitive phrases:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/infinitive ... -the-gmat/

If the word "aid" is used as a noun and followed by a noun, the person receiving the aid, then it would be OK to use "to" as the preposition following "aid"
e.g. "Does the United States give aid to Belize?"
Essentially, the word following "to" is an indirect object in this context. If you write an indirect object as a prepositional phrase, you always use the word "to."

I can think of casual contexts in which "aid for" might be used, but I can think of anything GMAT-worthy that would use that combination.

It's not enough just ask about which preposition to use. Context is everything. It matters very much whether "aid" is a verb followed by another verb, or whether "aid" is noun followed by another noun.

Does all this make sense?

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I have got one doubt. Are the below construction correct:
The NGO provides aid for the Tsunami victims.
The NGO provides aid to the Tsunami victims
The NGO provides aid in rebuilding the colony devastated in Tsunami.

The NGO provides aid for the tsunami victims. = possibly something you will hear in informal spoken English, but for GMAT SC purposes, this is incorrect.

The NGO provides aid to the tsunami victims. = correct
The NGO provides aid in rebuilding the colony devastated in tsunami. = correct

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18 Aug 2009, 11:46
B, C, D are straight out for incorrect 'either asking or thanking'

IMO E,
ask X to Y is correct. (Confirm please!)
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106. Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea’s aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

(A) in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
(B) in healing physical and mental ills and to thank her for helping
(C) in healing physical and mental ills, and thanking her for helping
(D) to heal physical and mental ills or to thank her for such help
(E) to heal physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help

answer is A
"aid in" is the correct idiom, so left out A, B , C. Among them A only uses either .. or , so easy A
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106. Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea’s aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

(A) in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
(B) in healing physical and mental ills and to thank her for helping
(C) in healing physical and mental ills, and thanking her for helping
(D) to heal physical and mental ills or to thank her for such help
(E) to heal physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help

answer is A
"aid in" is the correct idiom, so left out A, B , C. Among them A only uses either .. or , so easy A

Man, as per Manhattan SC, both AID IN and AID TO are correct...
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18 Aug 2009, 17:11
would go with A, aid in doing something...and either/or, then thanking for parallelism
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noboru wrote:
106. Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea’s aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

(A) in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
(B) in healing physical and mental ills and to thank her for helping
(C) in healing physical and mental ills, and thanking her for helping
(D) to heal physical and mental ills or to thank her for such help
(E) to heal physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help

answer is A
"aid in" is the correct idiom, so left out A, B , C. Among them A only uses either .. or , so easy A

Man, as per Manhattan SC, both AID IN and AID TO are correct...

Check this link... and clarify
http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentenc ... l#post1541
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crejoc wrote:
noboru wrote:
106. Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea’s aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

(A) in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
(B) in healing physical and mental ills and to thank her for helping
(C) in healing physical and mental ills, and thanking her for helping
(D) to heal physical and mental ills or to thank her for such help
(E) to heal physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help

answer is A
"aid in" is the correct idiom, so left out A, B , C. Among them A only uses either .. or , so easy A

Man, as per Manhattan SC, both AID IN and AID TO are correct...

This is a offical problem from OG 11 th edition problem no.106
Follows official explanation

A Correct. The noun aid is correctly followed by in healing rather than by the infinitive to heal.The original sentence uses paralle structure to make its point, the idioms are correctly used.

D To heal is incorrect following aid; to thank is not parallel to asking

E To heal is incorrect following aid
It is better always to stick to the official explanation
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Noboru,

Yes you are correct, both Aid in and Aid to are correct. But pay attention.....to what follows the propostions.

Aid to the victims (noun) is available
Her Aid in walking (verb) the dog is appreciated.

As you can see, the question, requires the second version because healing is a verb.

So based on idiom itself, you can eliminate D and E. And among A,B,C - A is the only one that follows correct either/or structure. Therefore A is correct.

Aid to is correct in usual english, but GMAT usuage is different. It has its own rules. Check previous post for official Explanation
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Noboru,

Yes you are correct, both Aid in and Aid to are correct. But pay attention.....to what follows the propostions.

Aid to the victims (noun) is available
Her Aid in walking (verb) the dog is appreciated.

As you can see, the question, requires the second version because healing is a verb.

So based on idiom itself, you can eliminate D and E. And among A,B,C - A is the only one that follows correct either/or structure. Therefore A is correct.

Thanks!

One more thing to notice here is the pronoun possessive poison, as some Gurus are suggesting for the GMAT Land.
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One more thing to notice here is the pronoun possessive poison, as some Gurus are suggesting for the GMAT Land.

Check this ... am not the source, but i personally checked this.. mgmat recommends this rule, but in gmat there are many SC questions that dont use this rule. ALWAYS BETTER TO STICK WITH OFFICIAL EXPLANATION, did you go through the official explanation ,.. "aid to" is wrong atleast in gmat, stated in OG 11 th edition, problem no.106 , THE SAME PROBLEM IN DISCUSSION

There are indeed some usage guides and grammar teachers who maintain that "a nonpossessive pronoun cannot take as an antecedent a noun in the possessive case." This "rule," however, does not reflect actual usage and is not tested on the GMAT. Here are three correct answers from 1000SCs that violate this supposed rule:

Frances Wright’s book on America contrasted the republicanism of the United States with what she saw as the aristocratic and corrupt institutions of England.

Joplin’s faith in his opera “Tremonisha” was unshakable; in 1911 he published the score at his own expense and decided to stage the work himself.

On stage, the force of Carrick’s personality and the vividness of his acting disguised the fact that he was, as his surviving velvet suit shows, a short man.

Those who insist on this stricture are out of touch with the real world. It's one of those rules whose sole purpose is to separate the in-the-know elite from the ignorant masses.

http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentenc ... post601370

Read this about possessive poison
http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentenc ... oison.html
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aid to and aid in both are correct.
But why is aid in CORRECT in the sc?
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Need experts opinion to decide if the meaning is changing using aid to rather than aid in
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If I got it correct then
- Aid + to + who( to whom we r giving the aid)
- Aid +in + what ( what form of aid is given )...and aid in follows a gerund

Plz correct me if wrong

I have got one doubt. Are the below construction correct:
The NGO provides aid for the Tsunami victims.
The NGO provides aid to the Tsunami victims
The NGO provides aid in rebuilding the colony devastated in Tsunami.
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106. Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea’s aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.
(A) in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
(B) in healing physical and mental ills and to thank her for helping
(C) in healing physical and mental ills, and thanking her for helping
(D) to heal physical and mental ills or to thank her for such help
(E) to heal physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help

I am responding to a pm from sujit2k7.

This is from the OG --- it's SC #109 in the OG12. Here's the OA
[Reveal] Spoiler:
OA = (A)

When the verb "to aid" is followed by a verb, then
(a) "aid" + "in" + [gerund] is correct according to the idiom
but
(b) "aid" + [infinitive] is incorrect idiomatically

Remember
gerund = the "-ing" form of a verb used as a noun -- "I like singing", "Eating vegetables is good for you."
infinitive = the standard dictionary-listing for a verb, preceded by the preposition "to" --- "to be or not to be"
See this blog for more on infinitives and infinitive phrases:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/infinitive ... -the-gmat/

If the word "aid" is used as a noun and followed by a noun, the person receiving the aid, then it would be OK to use "to" as the preposition following "aid"
e.g. "Does the United States give aid to Belize?"
Essentially, the word following "to" is an indirect object in this context. If you write an indirect object as a prepositional phrase, you always use the word "to."

I can think of casual contexts in which "aid for" might be used, but I can think of anything GMAT-worthy that would use that combination.

It's not enough just ask about which preposition to use. Context is everything. It matters very much whether "aid" is a verb followed by another verb, or whether "aid" is noun followed by another noun.

Does all this make sense?

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this is most beautiful explanation. it looks nice that "aid in doing" is correct. but I do not see this idiom in dictionary.

second point is that

"healing" in A is gerund. this means, "healing" refers to a general action, not a specific action by a specific noun in the sentence.

"to heal" in E, in contrast, refers to "supplicant" . this means "supplicant ask the aid so that they can heal". this meaning is quite different from meaning in choice A and is the reason for elimination of E.

is my thinking correct? I very much want you to comment.
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this is most beautiful explanation. it looks nice that "aid in doing" is correct. but I do not see this idiom in dictionary.

second point is that

"healing" in A is gerund. this means, "healing" refers to a general action, not a specific action by a specific noun in the sentence.

"to heal" in E, in contrast, refers to "supplicant" . this means "supplicant ask the aid so that they can heal". this meaning is quite different from meaning in choice A and is the reason for elimination of E.

is my thinking correct? I very much want you to comment.

Dear vietmoi999,
Thank you very much for your kind words. I am happy to respond.

I think you are analyzing far too much.
aid in [gerund] is idiomatically correct.
aid [infinitive] is awkward and idiomatically incorrect

It's hard for any dictionary to list every possible correct idiom. The best way to learn idioms is to read, read, read. Nothing replaces a daily habit of reading sophisticated writings in English. If you want some practice with idioms, here are some free Idiom Flashcards:
https://gmat.magoosh.com/flashcards/idioms

Does all this make sense?
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