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Excellent I got it wrong again :-D.

This approach is much better ;)

Hello Mechmeera

This is really convoluted question and I spent a lot of time when I firstly saw it and I didn't solve it correctly.

Firstly it says that in the world present a distinction between objects:
1) objects without which world can easily exist
2) objects that should exists because without them world can't exist

Secondly it says that there is should be one necessary object that created all objects from first group (nonessential objects)

So for me it looks like we made a conclusion that
"there is must be one necessary object" [because] "nonessential objects must be created by essential object"

So this conclusion based on the theory that should be proved and this conclusion is used for proving this theory. This is vicious circle.
This is wrong because if conclusion is correct than theory is correct but if conclusion is wrong then theory is wrong too.
So we can't do final conclusions about essential object and God on the basis of this distinction between the two types of objects.
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Mechmeera wrote:
Excellent I got it wrong again :-D.

This approach is much better ;)

Hello Mechmeera

This is really convoluted question and I spent a lot of time when I firstly saw it and I didn't solve it correctly.

Firstly it says that in the world present a distinction between objects:
1) objects without which world can easily exist
2) objects that should exists because without them world can't exist

Secondly it says that there is should be one necessary object that created all objects from first group (nonessential objects)

So for me it looks like we made a conclusion that
"there is must be one necessary object" [because] "nonessential objects must be created by essential object"

So this conclusion based on the theory that should be proved and this conclusion is used for proving this theory. This is vicious circle.
This is wrong because if conclusion is correct than theory is correct but if conclusion is wrong then theory is wrong too.
So we can't do final conclusions about essential object and God on the basis of this distinction between the two types of objects.


Thanks for the response as I felt that I understood some part of it.
But the whole argument is really confusing and I could not get a complete clarity even now.
This sounds like Alchemist theory. :(
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Thanks for the response as I felt that I understood some part of it.
But the whole argument is really confusing and I could not get a complete clarity even now.
This sounds like Alchemist theory. :(


Hello Mechmeera
I have another idea maybe it helps.

Let's pretend that we want to prove existence of God to somebody.
We say that all objects are divided ontwo groups: one group can be not existed and it's okay and another group this is crucial objects.
We can infer that all this life should be started by somebody and this object is essential for life. And this is God.

Actually this is quite usual explanation in a lot of religions.

Maybe it is true but this is non scientific approach to approvement. Because we actually say that God should exist because somebody should create all this from scratch.

So let's back to our argument: this distinction of all objects on two group is correct if God exist but this distinction is incorrect if God not exist so we can not use this distinction to prove existence of God.
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Anselm of Canterbury (1033 – 1109) was a medieval theologian. According to the Anselm's ontological argument for the existence of God, "accidental beings" are all those things --- essentially all sense object ---- whose non-existence could be imagined without inherent contradiction, and "necessary beings" are those things whose existence is guaranteed precisely by what they are. Because accidental beings could not have guaranteed that they ever would come into existence, there must be a necessary being upon whom all the accidental beings depends to bring them into existence; and this necessary being Anselm identifies with God, who therefore clearly must exist.

In our modern analysis, this eleventh century argument is most vulnerable to what criticism?
So, this is a 700 level question as the para itself is quite tricky."necessary beings" exists was the supposition the author made even before proving that points. It is like saying, "hey! I am assuming that statement X is valid and I am proving it now"
A) It establishes an effect that must exist well before its cause. Nothing to do with the timings.
B) It completely depends on a definition of a term that stands in stark contrast to the everyday understanding of the term.Close call. One who will restrict his understanding to the facts given in the para and will not let his own viewpoint collude, will not choose B
C) The conclusion supports facts that directly contradict the evidence given to support it.Wrong | No reference to facts
D) It makes a distinction that presupposes the truth of the conclusions that is to be established. Explained above
E) It presents as evidence in support of a claim information that is inconsistent with other evidence presented in support of the same claimI couldn't find two evidences.
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Anselm of Canterbury (1033 – 1109) was a medieval theologian. According to the Anselm's ontological argument for the existence of God, "accidental beings" are all those things --- essentially all sense object ---- whose non-existence could be imagined without inherent contradiction, and "necessary beings" are those things whose existence is guaranteed precisely by what they are. Because accidental beings could not have guaranteed that they ever would come into existence, there must be a necessary being upon whom all the accidental beings depends to bring them into existence; and this necessary being Anselm identifies with God, who therefore clearly must exist.

In our modern analysis, this eleventh century argument is most vulnerable to what criticism?

This question can be best solved by POE.

A) It establishes an effect that must exist well before its cause. Eliminate because there is no cause and effect present in the argument.
B) It completely depends on a definition of a term that stands in stark contrast to the everyday understanding of the term. Eliminate because we do not for sure what is the everyday understanding of the term.
C) The conclusion supports facts that directly contradict the evidence given to support it.
There are no evidence in the argument. Eliminate.
D) It makes a distinction that presupposes the truth of the conclusions that is to be established.
E) It presents as evidence in support of a claim information that is inconsistent with other evidence presented in support of the same claim.
One evidence is in-consistence with the other. But where are these evidences. Eliminate.
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What a convoluted passage. Took sometime to understand the initial wordings of the premise. Thanks for the question.

Anselm of Canterbury (1033 – 1109) was a medieval theologian. According to the Anselm's ontological argument for the existence of God, "accidental beings" are all those things --- essentially all sense object ---- whose non-existence could be imagined without inherent contradiction, and "necessary beings" are those things whose existence is guaranteed precisely by what they are. Because accidental beings could not have guaranteed that they ever would come into existence, there must be a necessary being upon whom all the accidental beings depends to bring them into existence; and this necessary being Anselm identifies with God, who therefore clearly must exist.

In our modern analysis, this eleventh century argument is most vulnerable to what criticism?

A) It establishes an effect that must exist well before its cause. -It is establishing the cause (God) and not the effect (accidental beings). This choice is inverse of what is given in the passage
B) It completely depends on a definition of a term that stands in stark contrast to the everyday understanding of the term. -We don't need to bring in any outside knowledge. Irrelevant
C) The conclusion supports facts that directly contradict the evidence given to support it. -The whole argument is structured in a very good manner. There is no contradiction present in the passage
D) It makes a distinction that presupposes the truth of the conclusions that is to be established. -Correct. The argument seeks to establish that God exists. For this purpose, the argument starting from the very first line takes into account that accidental beings are dependent on necessary beings. And the necessary being as per the Anselm is God, so the argument depicts that God must exist. Thus from the starting itself, it assumes that God exists
E) It presents as evidence in support of a claim information that is inconsistent with other evidence presented in support of the same claim. -There is just a definition of the two terminologies and a evidence that supports the theory of God's existence. There is no inconsistency in the passage
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This question addresses Anselm's ontological argument for the existence of God. The argument hinges on a distinction: "accidental being" vs. "necessary beings." To our modern ears, this is a strange distinction: everything we can see or imagine, concrete objects as well as abstract ideas (e.g. money, democracy, health, etc.) are "accidental beings", and it's not clear that anything discussed in the modern world would be a "necessary being" in the sense described by the argument. The argument makes this distinction, positing the existence of this hypothetical "necessary being", and then proceeds to use this distinction to prove the existence of a "necessary being." In other words, the very distinction it makes presupposes what it is trying to prove.

(D) is the credited answer. In making the distinction between "accidental" and "necessary" beings, the argument presupposes that "necessary beings" exist, and then proceeds to prove that one exists. To our modern sensibilities, this argument assumes what it is trying to prove.

(A) is wrong. The argument has nothing to do with time sequences. If anything, the "cause" discussed is God, who (according to the Christian understanding) existed well before anything that God caused.

(B) is a tempting answer, because indeed both words, "accidental" and "necessary" are using in a technical philosophical sense, not in their everyday sense. Nevertheless, both words are used consistently in this philosophical sense, and no resort is made to their common understanding, so that difference doesn't play any role in the argument.

(C) is wrong. The argument makes reference to no "facts" in any modern sense. Furthermore, it doesn't deduce any further consequences from the main conclusion.

(E) is wrong. The only "evidence" presented is a philosophical distinction. There's nothing else presented in the argument that could contradict this.
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