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The answer is C. Let's look at a committee where Mike belongs (he's person # 1) on that committee. When we choose person #2, there is a 1/5 probability that it's going to be Anthony (then it doesn't matter who the third person is), and 4/5 probability that it's going to be someone else (then person #3 is going to be Anthony with probability 1/4). Total probability = 1/5+4/5*1/4 = 2/5
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Bunuel - the fourth approach you posted seems to have an error:

Fourth approach:
Total # of splitting group of 6 into two groups of 3: 6C3*3C3/2!=10
# of groups with Michael and Anthony: 1C1*1C1*4C1=4
P=4/10=40%

Total # of splitting group of 6 into two groups of 3: should be 6C3*3C3=20 and not 10.
Out of these 20 , there are 10 groups with Michael in it

so answer = groups with michael and anthony/ total groups with michael = 4/10 = 40%
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Bunuel - the fourth approach you posted seems to have an error:

Fourth approach:
Total # of splitting group of 6 into two groups of 3: 6C3*3C3/2!=10
# of groups with Michael and Anthony: 1C1*1C1*4C1=4
P=4/10=40%

Total # of splitting group of 6 into two groups of 3: should be 6C3*3C3=20 and not 10.
Out of these 20 , there are 10 groups with Michael in it

so answer = groups with michael and anthony/ total groups with michael = 4/10 = 40%


Do we have group #1 and #2? Does it matter in which group Michael and Anthony will be? If no we should divide 6C3*3C3 by 2! and get 10 different split ups of 6 to groups of 3 when order of groups doesn't matter.

# of groups with Michael and Anthony together: 1C1*1C1*4C1=4
P=4/10=40%.

The number of ways in which mn different items can be divided equally into m groups, each containing n objects and the order of the groups is not important is \(\frac{(mn)!}{(n!)^m*m!}\).
\(\frac{6!}{(3!)^2*2!}=10\)

OR another way:
In our case \(\frac{6C3*3C3}{2!}=10.\)
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Bunuel wrote:
srini123 wrote:
Bunuel - the fourth approach you posted seems to have an error:

Fourth approach:
Total # of splitting group of 6 into two groups of 3: 6C3*3C3/2!=10
# of groups with Michael and Anthony: 1C1*1C1*4C1=4
P=4/10=40%

Total # of splitting group of 6 into two groups of 3: should be 6C3*3C3=20 and not 10.
Out of these 20 , there are 10 groups with Michael in it

so answer = groups with michael and anthony/ total groups with michael = 4/10 = 40%


Do we have group #1 and #2? Does it matter in which group Michael and Anthony will be? If no we should divide 6C3*3C3 by 2! and get 10 different split ups of 6 to groups of 3 when order of groups doesn't matter.

# of groups with Michael and Anthony together: 1C1*1C1*4C1=4
P=4/10=40%.

The number of ways in which mn different items can be divided equally into m groups, each containing n objects and the order of the groups is not important is \(\frac{(mn)!}{(n!)^m*m!}\).
\(\frac{6!}{(3!)^2*2!}=10\)

OR another way:
In our case \(\frac{6C3*3C3}{2!}=10.\)



Sorry I may be missing something but, if we want to split 6 persons into 2 groups of 3 where order doesn't matter. dont we have 20 groups ?
for eg., let A,B,C,D,E,F be 6 people and the
groups with 3 people in each will be as below

ABC, ABD, ABE, ABF, ACD, ACE, ACF, ADE, ADF, AEF - 10
BCD, BCE,BCE, BDE,BDF, BEF - 6
CDE, CDE,CEF -3
DEF -1

total 20.

Let A be michael for this question , then total groups we have with michael is 10 and 4 groups have Michael and Anthony (assume D=anthony)

im sorry im still not getting why 20 is not the total groups irrespective of michael in it or not
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Sorry I may be missing something but, if we want to split 6 persons into 2 groups of 3 where order doesn't matter. dont we have 20 groups ?
for eg., let A,B,C,D,E,F be 6 people and the
groups with 3 people in each will be as below

ABC, ABD, ABE, ABF, ACD, ACE, ACF, ADE, ADF, AEF - 10
BCD, BCE,BCE, BDE,BDF, BEF - 6
CDE, CDE,CEF -3
DEF -1

total 20.

Let A be michael for this question , then total groups we have with michael is 10 and 4 groups have Michael and Anthony (assume D=anthony)

im sorry im still not getting why 20 is not the total groups irrespective of michael in it or not


Now I see what you've meant. But I think it's not quite true and here is where you are making the mistake: you listed # of selections of three out of 6 - 6C3=20. This is different from splitting the group into TWO groups of three members each:

1. ABC - DEF
2. ABD - CEF
3. ABE - CDF
4. ABF - CDE
5. ACD - BEF
6. ACE - BDF
7. ACF - BDE
8. ADE - BCF
9. ADF - BCE
10. AEF - BCD

So, here are all possible ways to split 6 people into two groups of three members each. Let's say Anthony is A and Michael is B. You can see that there are only 4 scenarios when A and B are in one group (1,2,3,4). Hence 4/10.
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Thanks.
Just a question: I noticed that you responded very quickly to my posts. Which I thank you for. But I am wondering if it's ok that I post questions that have been obviously posted before. If it's a problem then please tell me how can I check whether a question is already on the forum or not. Thanks.
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Just a question: I noticed that you responded very quickly to my posts. Which I thank you for. But I am wondering if it's ok that I post questions that have been obviously posted before. If it's a problem then please tell me how can I check whether a question is already on the forum or not. Thanks.


Generally it's a good idea to do the search before posting, for example I would search in PS subforum (there is a search field above the topics) for the word "Anthony", don't think that there are many questions with this name. Though it's not a probelm to post a question that was posted before: if moderators find previous discussions they will merge the topics, copy the solution from there or give a link to it.
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Bunuel, A question just came to my mind concerning the second approach of the solution that you proposed:

total # of winning outcomes
Select Anthony: 1C1=1, select any third member out of 4: 4C1=4, total # =1C1*4C1=4

If we say 1C1*4C1 don't we assume that the winning can be either (Anthony,Third member) or (Third member, Anthony) but not both ?
shouldn't we multiply 1C1*4C1 by 2 to get the total number of possible combinations ?
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Bunuel, A question just came to my mind concerning the second approach of the solution that you proposed:

total # of winning outcomes
Select Anthony: 1C1=1, select any third member out of 4: 4C1=4, total # =1C1*4C1=4

If we say 1C1*4C1 don't we assume that the winning can be either (Anthony,Third member) or (Third member, Anthony) but not both ?
shouldn't we multiply 1C1*4C1 by 2 to get the total number of possible combinations ?


We are counting # of committees with Anthony and Michael:

{M,A,1};
{M,A,2};
{M,A,3};
{M,A,4}.

Here {M,A,1} is the same committee as {M,1,A}.
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Bunuel, can you advise why do we have to divide 6C3 * 3C3 by 2!, in the fourth approach ?
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Bunuel, can you advise why do we have to divide 6C3 * 3C3 by 2!, in the fourth approach ?


We are dividing by 2! (factorial of the # of groups) because the order of the groups is not important (we don't have the group #1 and the group #2) and we need to get rid of the duplications.

Dividing a group into subgroups:
combinations-problems-95344.html
split-the-group-101813.html
9-people-and-combinatorics-101722.html
ways-to-divide-99053.html
combination-and-selection-into-team-106277.html
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Fourth approach:
Total # of splitting group of 6 into two groups of 3: 6C3*3C3/2!=10


Do you mind elaborating on that calculation, please? Isn't 6C3 the right calculation to select 3 people from a group of 6? You seem to be multiplying that by 3C3/2!

Is there another example that illustrates this - 6C3*3C3/2!- concept, thanks.
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Bunuel wrote:
Fourth approach:
Total # of splitting group of 6 into two groups of 3: 6C3*3C3/2!=10


Do you mind elaborating on that calculation, please? Isn't 6C3 the right calculation to select 3 people from a group of 6? You seem to be multiplying that by 3C3/2!

Is there another example that illustrates this - 6C3*3C3/2!- concept, thanks.


I guess your main concern is about dividing by 2! (because 3C3 is just selecting 3 out of 3 which is 1).

Dividing group of 6 objects {A, B, C, D, E, F} into 2 groups of 3: \(\frac{C^3_6*C^3_3}{2!}=10\), we are dividing by \(2!\) as there are 2 groups and order of these groups doesn't matter.

For example if we choose with \(C^3_6\) the group {ABC} then the group {DEF} is left and we have two groups {ABC} and {DEF} but then we could choose also {DEF}, so in this case second group would be {ABC}, so we would have the same two groups: {ABC} and {DEF}. So to get rid of such duplications we should divide \(C^3_6*C^3_3\) by factorial of number of groups - 2!.

Questions about the same concept to practice:
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a-group-of-8-friends-want-to-play-doubles-tennis-how-many-104807.html
in-how-many-different-ways-can-a-group-of-9-people-be-101722.html
in-how-many-different-ways-can-a-group-of-8-people-be-99053.html
nine-dogs-are-split-into-3-groups-to-pull-one-of-three-88685.html
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@bunuel, how very generous with the explanations and the samples - terrific, thanks!
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Totak ways to select 3 members from 6 members = 6C3 = 6!/3!*3! = 20
Now if the sis members are A,M,X1,X2,X3,X4 , take A & M together as a sing le unit Y.
Y = A,M, they can be selected as 2! ways = 2
Grups can be made as = YX1, YX2,YX3 & YX4 = 4
Total grups = 4*2=8

Now % is = 8/20*100=40% is the answer
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Here's some clarification for those who are still confused.

First group of 6

| | | | | |

Gets broken into 2 subcommittees of 3 each:

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We know Michael is already in one of them:

M | | | | |

We just need to fill in one of those two slots next to Michael with an "A" for Anthony.


So we already know Mike is in that slot and that there are 5 remaining choices.

Well, how many ways can we pick Anthony such that he ends up in Michael's group?

Keep in mind that order matters - meaning Michael in the 1st slot is counted separately from Michael in the 2nd slot, etc.

so we can multiply a line of nCr formulas:

[ (Out of 1 available Michael, pick that 1 Anthony for that 2nd spot) * (Out of the remaining 4, choose any 1 for that 3rd spot) ]
= --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Out of the initial 5 remaining people, choose 2 to fill up the 2nd and 3rd slots)


= [ (1C1) * (4C1) ] / (5C2)

= 4 / 10

= 40%

Hope that helps.
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Anthony and Michael sit on the six-member board of directors for company X. If the board is to be split up into 2 three-person subcommittees, what percent of all the possible subcommittees that include Michael also include Anthony?

A. 20%
B. 30%
C. 40%
D. 50%
E. 60%


Here is my approach:

I first counted the possible creation of 2 subcommittees without restriction: \(\frac{6!}{3!3!}* \frac{3!}{3!}= 20\)
Then, I now proceed to counting the number of ways to create committee with Michael and Anthony together.

M A _ + _ _ _ = \(\frac{4!}{1!3!} * \frac{1!}{1!} = 4\)

MA could be in group#1 or group#2. Thus, \(=4*2 = 8\)

Final calculation: \(8/20 = 4/10 = 40%\)

Answer: C
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