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GMAT Club's iPhone GMAT application [#permalink] New post 06 Mar 2009, 13:03
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I think you can use an iPod touch, which is more affordable but still Apple will be getting my money too


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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2009, 02:44
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Some of you remember my Application for WM5 smartphones. The application contained SC1000 and CR1000 sets and helped me a lot to get 40V as for non-English speaker. Many hours of using the application and changing it on everyday basis led to a pretty powerful and usable preparation tool. Unfortunately, GMAC banned 1000 series and the application became history. However, I have own experience what works and what doesn't for mobile device preparation tool. There are my thoughts:

1) The shortest educational cycle - 1 problem. The power of mobile applications consists in possibility of spending every free minute on preparation. If we look at our whole day, it will be difficult to find 75 minutes. Moreover, to be concentrated over whole educational cycle (whole test, verbal or quantitative parts, quizzes), we have to study in silence, don't we? But what if we have only 5 minutes, let's say in cafe, another 5 minutes waiting a friend or appointment and so on? I found the most appropriate modes of working with mobile app: A) problem -> answer -> (+ bookmarks if I think it would be useful for me to analyze the problem deeper) --> next problem. B) problem in bookmarks -> explanation -> (- bookmarks if I get it) -> next problem in bookmarks. This two ways of working with mobile application are very simple and short. Let's imagine we do 10 problem quiz. If we interrupted the quiz a few times, it would be difficult at the end of test to remember first question in detail when analyzing a wrong answer. So, my suggestion to take 1 problem as a basis for GMATClub app.

2) Error logs vs Bookmarks. They both are responsible for the same function: keeping difficult problems to which we could return latter to analyze our mistakes in detail. I'm a strong supporter of bookmarks approach for the following reasons. Sometimes we what to consider deeper problems we've answered right in order to grasp a concept; sometimes we don't want to consider problem we've answered wrong because we've made a silly and obvious mistake. Bookmarks-approach better suit for this function. Moreover, after a week of study we will have a lot of error logs and it will be difficult to manage it. At the same time, error logs help to avoid repetition of problems. It is possible to incorporate such functionality in bookmarks-approach introducing black/white of bad/good bookmarks.

I don't know but maybe it would be useful to have two different applications for math and for verbal.

So, what is my preliminary vision of the first GMATClub app? I think it is math app with 300+ problems divided by difficulty level, timing for a problem, bookmarks, random problem and links to forum threads for each problem. I think we can make such application pretty fast and continue our discussion having something in hands.
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2009, 09:49
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By the way, it would be great if this forum can be accessible through iPhone in usable format, at least as read-only feature. So, the iPhone user could go problem-explanation-discussion way smoothly.
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2009, 14:42
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1) The shortest educational cycle - 1 problem. The power of mobile applications consists in possibility of spending every free minute on preparation. If we look at our whole day, it will be difficult to find 75 minutes. Moreover, to be concentrated over whole educational cycle (whole test, verbal or quantitative parts, quizzes), we have to study in silence, don't we? But what if we have only 5 minutes, let's say in cafe, another 5 minutes waiting a friend or appointment and so on? I found the most appropriate modes of working with mobile app: A) problem -> answer -> (+ bookmarks if I think it would be useful for me to analyze the problem deeper) --> next problem. B) problem in bookmarks -> explanation -> (- bookmarks if I get it) -> next problem in bookmarks. This two ways of working with mobile application are very simple and short. Let's imagine we do 10 problem quiz. If we interrupted the quiz a few times, it would be difficult at the end of test to remember first question in detail when analyzing a wrong answer. So, my suggestion to take 1 problem as a basis for GMATClub app.

I think it is a great idea. After each question you can get a confirmation whether you got it right or wrong and have a chance to review the explanation. If you are happy and still have time, there could be a continue button that will give a similar type question (Hard Arithmetic for example or Easy Geometry)

This only increases the need for a review system/bookmarking and error log.

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2) Error logs vs Bookmarks. They both are responsible for the same function: keeping difficult problems to which we could return latter to analyze our mistakes in detail. I'm a strong supporter of bookmarks approach for the following reasons. Sometimes we what to consider deeper problems we've answered right in order to grasp a concept; sometimes we don't want to consider problem we've answered wrong because we've made a silly and obvious mistake. Bookmarks-approach better suit for this function. Moreover, after a week of study we will have a lot of error logs and it will be difficult to manage it. At the same time, error logs help to avoid repetition of problems. It is possible to incorporate such functionality in bookmarks-approach introducing black/white of bad/good bookmarks.

I don't know but maybe it would be useful to have two different applications for math and for verbal.

So, what is my preliminary vision of the first GMATClub app? I think it is math app with 300+ problems divided by difficulty level, timing for a problem, bookmarks, random problem and links to forum threads for each problem. I think we can make such application pretty fast and continue our discussion having something in hands.

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Why two different versions? I can understand from a developer perspective it is easier to develop, but why from a user standpoint?
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2009, 15:12
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By the way, can we make an app so that you could import your own questions? (for yourself only of course)

What I am thinking is enable people to import their own questions from any source for example questions that they have purchased or ones they keep making mistakes in but just can't get on the iPhone? This way we stay out of the whole copyright issue that I am not a fan of and give all the control into user's hands....

We can publish the schema or format for entering questions and let them have at it.... they can even invent their own.
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2009, 15:26
This is exactly what I was trying to suggest in my next post!

However, the problem is that many users might struggle to upload questions in a format that the app can understand.
That is why! - we need to build an app so that it definitely works on multiple sources.
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2009, 15:37
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This is exactly what I was trying to suggest in my next post!

Yeah, sure :wink:

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However, the problem is that many users might struggle to upload questions in a format that the app can understand.

I think we can make a very simple format - similar to what we use on this forum - anyone can figure it out - even an MBA. This will enable people to compliment GMAT Club's tests. However, I don't think we know if it is possible even at this stage.

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That is why! - we need to build an app so that it definitely works on multiple sources.


I would argue for the sake of product life (you never know what new prep materials will be out in a few months) and copyright issues that we should keep the app open ended as to where users have ability to control what they put on it in addition to GMAT Club's test. So, I would see this feature as complimenting our tests and making the app more versatile.
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2009, 20:58
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Why not have a paid version and a free version.

I'm absolutely agree with you and am a strong supporter of paid-approach. It is a great that I want to spend some of my free time to help GMATClub but I'm not a professional software developer and too complicate app will take a lot of time for me to finish. Moreover, in a long-run, I believe income from GMATClub app has to be enough to hire a smart developer(s) who could enforce improvement of the app. So, If I were GMATClub owner, I would consider paid approach as a basis for future development of a strong product.


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there could be a continue button that will give a similar type question

good idea.

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Why two different versions? I can understand from a developer perspective it is easier to develop, but why from a user standpoint?

I agree.
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2009, 21:04
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Sure paid version makes sense to get developers put bells and whistles, but only after we squeeze everything out of Walker :)
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2009, 21:06
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Sure paid version makes sense to get developers put bells and whistles, but only after we squeeze everything out of Walker :)
No need to be modest.

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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 11 Mar 2009, 09:40
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Speaking of which, looks like Veritas Released their Apple iPhone application today: http://appshopper.com/education/gmat-practice-quiz

Perhaps someone can share what they think about the app and provide suggestions for improvement. I promise - I will buy an iPod soon :oops:
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 11 Mar 2009, 10:39
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I think there will be many such apps in near future but there are a huge barrier for their development: they must not substitute real 1000$-worth education in prep-centers.
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 13 Mar 2009, 12:25
Why dont we develop App for both Blackberry and iPhone? I guess many people studying GMAT use Blackberry (I'm one of them :wink: )
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 13 Mar 2009, 12:31
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Why dont we develop App for both Blackberry and iPhone? I guess many people studying GMAT use Blackberry (I'm one of them :wink: )


Me too, but I think Blackberry is harder to develop for.... Walker, do you have any ideas about Blackberry? How easy/hard is it to develop?
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 13 Mar 2009, 12:49
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Why dont we develop App for both Blackberry and iPhone? I guess many people studying GMAT use Blackberry (I'm one of them :wink: )


Me too, but I think Blackberry is harder to develop for.... Walker, do you have any ideas about Blackberry? How easy/hard is it to develop?


I'm not familiar with Blackberry as I have never seen Blackberry here in my country. Nevertheless, if GMATClub iPhone projects and my own ones are successful and RIM launches own AppStore (I've already taken a look at their site a few days ago and seen they are going to launch it in near future), I don't see any solid reasons why not to try.
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 16 Mar 2009, 02:07
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I think the biggest issue with a GMAT app for quant problems is that it is not convenient to do scratch work. You cannot solve most math questions without writing things down, and that is hard to do if you are using it on the go.


Yeah. It is a problem I have been thinking for a while how to overcome it. I see two possible solutions: 1) development of adapted quantitative questions that test GMAT concepts but don't require scratch work; 2) turn iPhone into scratch paper. Both approaches are not easy ones but it is definitely a problem we have to keep in mind.
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2009, 03:22
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A few minutes ago application's prototype has been launched on my iPhone for the first time and it works as expected. So, we are close to finish line....
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2009, 04:36
Nice..I assume this works for an iPod Touch also?
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2009, 08:20
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Nice..I assume this works for an iPod Touch also?


Yeah, it works for Touch also.
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Re: Apple iPhone GMAT application for GMAT Club [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2009, 19:35
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Nice..I assume this works for an iPod Touch also?


Yeah, it works for Touch also.


This is really great idea. How about Blackberry?

Sorry if it is already discussed. I have not gone through aall posts. :oops:
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