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Are all of the numbers in a certain list of 15 numbers [#permalink] New post 17 Jul 2009, 23:52
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Are all of the numbers in a certain list of 15 numbers equal?

(1) The sum of all the numbers in the list is 60
(2) The sum of any 3 numbers in the list is 12

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Re: Equal number DS-find the shortcut [#permalink] New post 18 Jul 2009, 02:21
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Are all of the numbers in a certain list of 15 numbers equal?

1. The sum of all the numbers in the list is 60
2. The sum of any 3 numbers in the list is 12



from one .....insuff

from 2

the only possible way to be sure of that that they are all equall

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Re: Equal number DS-find the shortcut [#permalink] New post 18 Jul 2009, 13:34
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Are all of the numbers in a certain list of 15 numbers equal?

1. The sum of all the numbers in the list is 60
2. The sum of any 3 numbers in the list is 12

Guys, can you tell me what is the logic disguided in the second stat.? Thanks!


There are a few ways to look at this. One is to reverse the problem: say they aren't all equal. Write the set in increasing order: {a, b, c, ..., m, n, o}, and while some of these might be equal, we must have a < o. Well clearly then the sum of the three smallest numbers is less than the sum of the three largest, (a+b+c < m+n+o), so the sum of any three numbers in the list isn't always the same. So the only way S2 can be true is if all the numbers are equal.
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Re: Equal number DS-find the shortcut [#permalink] New post 18 Jul 2009, 17:29
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Are all of the numbers in a certain list of 15 numbers equal?

1. The sum of all the numbers in the list is 60
2. The sum of any 3 numbers in the list is 12

Guys, can you tell me what is the logic disguided in the second stat.? Thanks!


There are a few ways to look at this. One is to reverse the problem: say they aren't all equal. Write the set in increasing order: {a, b, c, ..., m, n, o}, and while some of these might be equal, we must have a < o. Well clearly then the sum of the three smallest numbers is less than the sum of the three largest, (a+b+c < m+n+o), so the sum of any three numbers in the list isn't always the same. So the only way S2 can be true is if all the numbers are equal.


Thanks IanStewart,
I got it
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Re: Equal number DS-find the shortcut [#permalink] New post 01 Aug 2011, 19:34
For B, any three number's sum is 12. So what if 2,5,5, the sum is 12 but they are not equal.

Could you explain this ????


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sondenso wrote:
Are all of the numbers in a certain list of 15 numbers equal?

1. The sum of all the numbers in the list is 60
2. The sum of any 3 numbers in the list is 12

Guys, can you tell me what is the logic disguided in the second stat.? Thanks!


There are a few ways to look at this. One is to reverse the problem: say they aren't all equal. Write the set in increasing order: {a, b, c, ..., m, n, o}, and while some of these might be equal, we must have a < o. Well clearly then the sum of the three smallest numbers is less than the sum of the three largest, (a+b+c < m+n+o), so the sum of any three numbers in the list isn't always the same. So the only way S2 can be true is if all the numbers are equal.
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Re: Equal number DS-find the shortcut [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2011, 13:06
If the numbers are 2,5,5 then sum of any three numbers can't always be 12. For any three numbers to be 12 they have to be equal...hence B
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Re: Equal number DS-find the shortcut [#permalink] New post 07 Aug 2011, 00:00
i would say both statments together are correct.

because taking statment 1 and 2 will reveal that 60 divided by 15 is 4
so we know the set is containing the number 4
and statment 2 saying that 3 times 4 is 12

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Re: Equal number DS-find the shortcut [#permalink] New post 07 Aug 2011, 03:06
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There are a few ways to look at this. One is to reverse the problem: say they aren't all equal. Write the set in increasing order: {a, b, c, ..., m, n, o}, and while some of these might be equal, we must have a < o. Well clearly then the sum of the three smallest numbers is less than the sum of the three largest, (a+b+c < m+n+o), so the sum of any three numbers in the list isn't always the same. So the only way S2 can be true is if all the numbers are equal.


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Re: Are all of the numbers in a certain list of 15 numbers [#permalink] New post 04 Mar 2013, 00:02
Hello !

Here is how I solved it. Please correct me if I'm wrong :

(1) : Since you don't have any contraints regarding the numbers : the fifteen numbers can all equal 4 or you can have fourteen 0 and one 60. Not sufficient.

(2) : There are several ways to reach 12 by adding 3 numbers together :
4 + 4 + 4 = 12
3 + 3 + 6 = 12
8 + 2 +2 = 12
etc...

Let's consider the ways where you have at least 2 different numbers. For examples : 3 + 3 + 6. Let's say your fifteen numbers are divided in 5 groups of numbers composed by 3, 3 and 6 :

Statements 2 tells us we can pick any 3 numbers and get 12 by adding them. If you pick one full group : 3+3+6, you get 12. But if you pick 3, 3 from one group and another 3 from another group, you get 3+3+3 = 9. It is therefore impossible to have different numbers, they all have to be the same. Sufficient.
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Re: Are all of the numbers in a certain list of 15 numbers [#permalink] New post 04 Mar 2013, 02:10
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Hello !

Here is how I solved it. Please correct me if I'm wrong :

(1) : Since you don't have any contraints regarding the numbers : the fifteen numbers can all equal 4 or you can have fourteen 0 and one 60. Not sufficient.

(2) : There are several ways to reach 12 by adding 3 numbers together :
4 + 4 + 4 = 12
3 + 3 + 6 = 12
8 + 2 +2 = 12
etc...

Let's consider the ways where you have at least 2 different numbers. For examples : 3 + 3 + 6. Let's say your fifteen numbers are divided in 5 groups of numbers composed by 3, 3 and 6 :

Statements 2 tells us we can pick any 3 numbers and get 12 by adding them. If you pick one full group : 3+3+6, you get 12. But if you pick 3, 3 from one group and another 3 from another group, you get 3+3+3 = 9. It is therefore impossible to have different numbers, they all have to be the same. Sufficient.


Are all of the numbers in a certain list of 15 numbers equal?

(1) The sum of all the numbers in the list is 60. Clearly insufficient.

(2) The sum of any 3 numbers in the list is 12. Since the sum of ANY 3 numbers is 12 then ALL numbers must equal to 12/3=4, because if not all the numbers equal to 4, then we could pick certain set of 3 numbers so that their sum is not 12. Sufficient.

Answer: B.

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