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Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bull? [#permalink] New post 19 Feb 2011, 23:47
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My (third) GMAT is 580. My dream is, and has always been, HBS. I have been spending the past two years working on the GMAT, bringing it to where it (unfortunately) is. What would it take to get in? I have an undergrad degree from a top Belgian university with distinction, and I come from a large (200+ people) family business (industrial lighting) where I am now VP of Biz Dev.

First, as to HBS themselves, they do not say or declare in any way whether 580 could be relevant. Second, after two years of dealing with this, I just saw on Aringo.com site that they are claiming they put a client with 580 at Harvard. I emailed them. Is this bullshit? One-time lucky case? The lowest-GMAT person I heard of (friend of friend of friends) got into HBS with 660, but this 580 thing gave me some hope (after I kind of already gave up about HBS), if (?) it is no bullshit.

Am I hallucinating? Or – give me some hope… heard of other such cases?

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Re: Aringo client with 580 at HBS – bullshit? [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2011, 13:26
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Have you tried any of GMAT Prep courses? I took a Kaplan course in London split over five weekends, and found it incredibly useful.

Kaplan have courses in Paris, Rotterdam and Frankfurt, all easy to get to from Brussels.

However I would strongly recommend that you take a course that is split over several weekends, instead of any 'intensive' courses - this gives you time to do all of your 'homework' and study outside of class - by investing this time you get the most benefit from the course.
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bull? [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2011, 00:38
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BrusselsToBoston -

1) I was born in belgium (near brussels no less!)
2) HBS is a good school but there are many other great schools - you are status blind right now. It's your dream school because its HBS not because it offers anything of particular value to you
3) #2 leads me to worry that your essays will be weak on the 'why HBS' angle and that will put a 2nd nail in your coffin
4) And your 580 score is already one pretty big rusty nail.
5) Go buy the manhattan GMAT books and official guide
6) Study 200 hours
7) Retake with a goal of 650+
8) Apply elsewhere
9) Forget whomever had 'one admit' at HBS with a 580, its a hail mary pass.
10) Move to Leuven and mail me beer
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bull? [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2011, 22:37
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bull? [#permalink] New post 29 May 2011, 03:10
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That could be an interesting marketing trick from Harvard:
first step: you broaden your GMAT range to 400-800 and attract all possible candidates
second: as a result, your admission % plummets to 0.5% and you boast yourself as the most selective school on the planet (even surpassing famous IIB)
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bull? [#permalink] New post 22 Jul 2011, 00:06
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i agree, there is nothing wrong with lower ranked schools

Well, I disagree. MBA education is a winner-take-all world, just like technology or art, or as Nassim Taleb would put it - it is the domain of Extremistan. So the fundamental thing that is wrong with lower ranked schools is that they are ranked lower.

That is why there is Wharton, Stanford and Harvard, and three thousand + "lower ranked" schools in the fat tail of the distribution.

Go for the top 3 no matter what. The upside is almost invariably tremendous, and the downside is virtually zero. With lower ranked schools the downside can be tremendous, and the upside - questionable.
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bull? [#permalink] New post 23 Jul 2011, 01:12
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The attitude in the post above speaks volumes!

Although birds of a feather flock together, I just hope this is not representative of Tuck's community. Or maybe this attitude is something that is reflected in the school's rankings.


Are you trying to make a joke here? Please tell me you are.

As to my attitude, well I hope my posts do speak volumes.

I can't stand pointless, misguided, elitism. The idea that h/s/w are the only schools that are worth anything is something we hear all the time, always from someone who is at those schools, and it is always wrong. I don't disagree that h/s/w/are the best, of course they are, but the idea that schools below some magical rank have questionable upsides is obviously rubbish. Even the people who do the rankings have started qualifying them by saying that the differences between any grouping of ten or so schools are statistically insignificant.

Also, I find any post that seems to be aimed at making people feel bad about what they have accomplished or can accomplish, quite offensive. Who are you to say that people shouldn't feel proud of whatever school they get into? Not everyone can get into h/s/w, but there are thousands of people who don't who are still very intelligent, very capable people in their own right. I don't like the idea that anyone would listen to you, only apply for h/s/w, and then not do an MBA at all when they don't get in.

I hope that when I show up to school my fellow Tuckies hold similar views. I'm aware however, that not all of them will because Tuck, like all of the good schools, tries to build a diverse class which means I know I'll run into people who disagree with me. Am I to infer from your posts that everyone from Wharton is like you?... Of course not.
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bull? [#permalink] New post 26 Jul 2011, 11:35
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Re: Aringo client with 580 at HBS – bullshit? [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2011, 09:06
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Guys,

My (third) GMAT is 580. My dream is, and has always been, HBS. I have been spending the past two years working on the GMAT, bringing it to where it (unfortunately) is. What would it take to get in? I have an undergrad degree from a top Belgian university with distinction, and I come from a large (200+ people) family business (industrial lighting) where I am now VP of Biz Dev.

First, as to HBS themselves, they do not say or declare in any way whether 580 could be relevant. Second, after two years of dealing with this, I just saw on Aringo.com site that they are claiming they put a client with 580 at Harvard. I emailed them. Is this bullshit? One-time lucky case? The lowest-GMAT person I heard of (friend of friend of friends) got into HBS with 660, but this 580 thing gave me some hope (after I kind of already gave up about HBS), if (?) it is no bullshit.

Am I hallucinating? Or – give me some hope… heard of other such cases?

Brussels to Boston



I would say if you can improve your score by about 100 points you have a shot. With a 580 you need to have substantial accomplishments in your work experience life (something to the extent of - founded Groupon or been on the EU board). There are a couple of cases who get in each year with such a GMAT but they do have some mind boggling experiences. I am not sure how much an admissions consulting company will be able to help if your case. Mind sharing some other stats other than GMAT?
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Re: Aringo client with 580 at HBS – bullshit? [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2011, 20:43
An admit with a 580 to any of the elite schools is going to have some really special circumstances going for him/her. Examples might be founding a large publicly traded company, being military Medal of Honor recipient, or having a last name like Kennedy or Bush. If these, or similar situations, don't apply to you, then 580 probably isn't going to cut it.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but the caliber of people applying to a place like HBS is so high that a person would need to have something really special to distinguish them from the glut of highly successful, ambitious applicants.
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bullshit? [#permalink] New post 28 Feb 2011, 09:58
it will be hard to get in with 580. just look at schools profiles - most students have much higher scores.
i suggest you study hard and retake the test.
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bullshit? [#permalink] New post 28 Feb 2011, 10:26
hmmm... Why don't you ask Gil Levi from Aringo.com?

:)

He has a thread in this community:
ask-aringo-if-your-gmat-is-or-might-be-below-109261.html?hilit=aringo#p880243

Ask them whether the quoted case is an isolated one or have there been multiple instances where people with similar scores have been admitted to HSB!
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bull? [#permalink] New post 06 Mar 2011, 23:48
such cases are probably rare but possible. you have to believe in yourself and follow your dream (and improve your GMAT :) )
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bull? [#permalink] New post 07 Mar 2011, 00:09
I agree with what the others said; in any case, you should focus more on your experiences, try to find something that really distinguishes you from the rest of the applicants. You can try to improve your score and than apply to HBS, but you can also consider other schools...
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bull? [#permalink] New post 15 Mar 2011, 13:05
There is probably no way you are getting in, sorry, that is just the reality.

But the real question is why HBS. It seems as though you are being to one-sided. There are tons of other great programs.
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bull? [#permalink] New post 15 Mar 2011, 16:47
Don't give up - you should be able to improve your GMAT score with a good course. Have you taken one yet? I recommend Manhattan GMAT (got a 750 first try), but I don't know if they have classes outside the US. HBS is apparently known to not take the GMAT too seriously (and rightly so, it really just tests how well you can take tests), although a 580 is still pretty low regardless of how seriously it's taken. You'd go down in the books as a miracle if you got in with that score, I think :P On the flip side, I heard that HBS weighs the GPA very heavily, but I got an interview invitation with slightly below a 3.2, so the point is...don't give up. Either give it your best shot and write some stellar essays or give the GMAT another shot. When are you planning on applying? I'm assuming for class of 2014? Consultants can help, but I seriously doubt their claims of 'getting someone with a 580 in' - he obviously had a great story, but they just helped him tell it.
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bull? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 13:23
thanks everyone.
yes, i want to apply this year for 2012 program (class of 2014).
i understand that the GMAT is only one part of the application and that the essays are very important as well, i'm just not sure my story is strong enough and that i can make it sound strong, that's why i figured i need all the help i can get.
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bull? [#permalink] New post 06 Apr 2011, 06:35
by the way, why are you obsessed with HBS? i don't know what are your career goals, but you can probably get there even if you go to a lower ranked program. HBS has an excellent reputation, but there are other programs out there... i really think you should consider them, you'll be surprised!
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bull? [#permalink] New post 09 Apr 2011, 12:01
that's right, i think that any top-20 or even top-30 program would be good for you and could give your career a big push. there are many graduates of lower ranked schools who did extremely well in their careers.
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Re: Aringo.com client with 580 at HBS – bull? [#permalink] New post 12 Apr 2011, 23:39
I understand that of course, but HBS has been my dream school. I might apply to other lower ranked schools as well (safety schools), but i can't give up HBS.
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