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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 02 Aug 2011, 11:33
My 2 cents - Which one of the below is correct ?

None of my friends have been able to solve the puzzle .
None of my friends has been able to solve the puzzle


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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2011, 15:46
Can somebody pls come up with a correct answer for everybody's sake?.
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2011, 15:58
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Can somebody pls come up with a correct answer for everybody's sake?.

It should be D in this case....

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http://www.beatthegmat.com/none-of-my-f ... 64141.html
http://www.beatthegmat.com/none-of-my-f ... 62-15.html
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2011, 17:34
maheshsrini wrote:
Can somebody pls come up with a correct answer for everybody's sake?.


I wrote an email to our Technical Writer at work. She has a PhD in literature and working as a Technical Writer for past 5-6 years. See her response below.

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Hey Meghan,

Sorry to bother you Meghan. I have had a question for you.

I am sure you have heard of SANAM pronouns - Some, Any, None, All, More/Most. When these pronouns act as the subject of a verb in a sentence, the verb agrees in number with the pronoun, the subject, based on the Of-prepositional phrase (with noun) that modifies the pronoun.

For instance,
All of my friends love sushi. (verb love here agrees in number with the abstract noun friends, which combined with the preposition of modifies the pronoun all)
All of the US army is alert. (verb is here agrees in number with the collective noun army, which is singular)

But with none there is HUGE controversy among the elite grammarians.

Orthodox grammarians say none is etymologically derived from the phrase "no one", hence it must be used as singular regardless of the Of-prepositional phrase that modifies it.
- None of my friends likes to eat sushi.
- None of the sugar is on the floor.
Some, not all, modern grammarian say, being a SANAM pronoun, it should have a cardinality that agrees in number with the noun in the Of-prepositional phrase that modifies it.
- None of my friends like to eat sushi.
- None of the sugar is on the floor.

I have never read a single article that has clearly stated which between the two is correct. I was hoping if you have any comment(s) or bias :-)

Thanks.

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The discussion of "none" is a long one; however, the most well-written response I found so far comes from this guy: http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-non2.htm

He states that "none" should follow the same rules as the rest of SANAM pronouns, since it can mean either "no one" (singlular) or "no persons" (plural). So you can treat it as either singular or plural based on the prepositional phrase. Based on his thorough research, I can't help but agree with him.

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Based on the above discussion, A should be the right answer. But GMAT seems to prefer D usage - see my explanation here none-singular-or-plural-117407.html#p954852

Nobody can tell for sure, I personally think there is too much debate w.r.t. none, for GMAT to test it.
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 07 Aug 2011, 07:51
D. As per manhattan SC guide, when in doubt, think singular. So as per that logic, think "none" as singular and select the answer choice.
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Re: As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to [#permalink] New post 08 Nov 2011, 07:19
I went with A, hopefully we dont see one of these in the real thing.
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Re: As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to [#permalink] New post 08 Nov 2011, 07:43
Manhattan says that none + plural noun can take either singular or plural verb.
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Re: As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to [#permalink] New post 04 Sep 2013, 14:09
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As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to solve the puzzle contained in last week's newspaper.
(A) none of my friends have been able to solve
(B) none of my friends was able to solve
(C) not one of my friends has yet been able to solve
(D) none of my friends has been able to solve
(E) nobody among my friends have solved

OA already given and i marked that only
but MGMAT says the answer is
[Reveal] Spoiler:
A

That i Cant understand confused now


Answer should be A.

As per Manhattan SC guide :"none" can be either singular or plural. Here "none of my friends" is plural. So Option A must be true.
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Re: As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to [#permalink] New post 05 Oct 2013, 03:36
its clearly D, irrespective of what MGMAT says, the rules clearly state that none of plural always use a singular.
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Re: As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2013, 22:40
Warlock007 wrote:
As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to solve the puzzle contained in last week's newspaper.
(A) none of my friends have been able to solve
(B) none of my friends was able to solve
(C) not one of my friends has yet been able to solve
(D) none of my friends has been able to solve
(E) nobody among my friends have solved

OA already given and i marked that only
but MGMAT says the answer is
[Reveal] Spoiler:
A

That i Cant understand confused now


I marked D and my reasoning below:
none is singular and has is the right tense in this situation.
C and D look ok. eliminate C because of presence of yet which is redundant and not one of my friends is nonsensical.
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Re: As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to [#permalink] New post 17 Dec 2013, 09:28
mohnish104 wrote:
its clearly D, irrespective of what MGMAT says, the rules clearly state that none of plural always use a singular.


there are no clear rules about this one. It could be either plural or singular...

the most logic would be has but it is not stated that is MUST be has, have can also work... I think the question is wordy!
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