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As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to solve the puzzle contained in last week's newspaper.

(A) none of my friends have been able to solve
(B) none of my friends was able to solve
(C) not one of my friends has yet been able to solve
(D) none of my friends has been able to solve
(E) nobody among my friends have solved

OA already given and i marked that only
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That i Cant understand confused now
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2011, 11:12
As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to solve the puzzle contained in last week's newspaper.
(A) none of my friends have been able to solve
have agrees with friends. Correct!
(B) none of my friends was able to solve
was should be were to agree with friends
(C) not one of my friends has yet been able to solve
None of my friends is a better idiom.
(D) none of my friends has been able to solve
has should be have.
(E) nobody among my friends have solved
Awkward
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2011, 11:15
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As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to solve the puzzle contained in last week's newspaper.
(A) none of my friends have been able to solve
have agrees with friends. Correct!
(B) none of my friends was able to solve
was should be were to agree with friends
(C) not one of my friends has yet been able to solve
None of my friends is a better idiom.
(D) none of my friends has been able to solve
has should be have.
(E) nobody among my friends have solved
Awkward


but KAPLAN says
answer is D
any thoughts on SANAM pronouns :? :?
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2011, 11:15
i think D is correct as per GMAT... i saw one example in sample questions of OG.. that uses 'none' as singular. i will check the problem #, sentence was not testing usage of 'none', but the word just appeared in the sentence. so not sure if its tested in GMAT.

But use of 'none' is controversial - http://www.grammarmudge.cityslide.com/a ... 3/9903.htm
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2011, 11:18
problem # 4 in SC sample questions of OG.

none is more concentrated...
may be it is none that was more concentrated than..
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2011, 11:19
agdimple333 wrote:
i think D is correct as per GMAT... i saw one example in sample questions of OG.. that uses 'none' as singular. i will check the problem #, sentence was not testing usage of 'none', but the word just appeared in the sentence. so not sure if its tested in GMAT.

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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2011, 11:44
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sgupta0827 wrote:
As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to solve the puzzle contained in last week's newspaper.
(A) none of my friends have been able to solve
have agrees with friends. Correct!
(B) none of my friends was able to solve
was should be were to agree with friends
(C) not one of my friends has yet been able to solve
None of my friends is a better idiom.
(D) none of my friends has been able to solve
has should be have.
(E) nobody among my friends have solved
Awkward


but KAPLAN says
answer is D
any thoughts on SANAM pronouns :? :?


Dude I am sure they have got it wrong. Even in Manhattan books I noticed few errors. Did they have any explanation for this question?
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2011, 11:47
sgupta0827 wrote:
Warlock007 wrote:
sgupta0827 wrote:
As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to solve the puzzle contained in last week's newspaper.
(A) none of my friends have been able to solve
have agrees with friends. Correct!
(B) none of my friends was able to solve
was should be were to agree with friends
(C) not one of my friends has yet been able to solve
None of my friends is a better idiom.
(D) none of my friends has been able to solve
has should be have.
(E) nobody among my friends have solved
Awkward


but KAPLAN says
answer is D
any thoughts on SANAM pronouns :? :?


Dude I am sure they have got it wrong. Even in Manhattan books I noticed few errors. Did they have any explanation for this question?


Dude they say None is singular..........

so whats your take on this

we should consider None as singular or plural??? :? :?
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2011, 11:49
"D" is a good choice and looks using the proper grammar (present perfect)
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2011, 11:55
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problem # 4 in SC sample questions of OG.

none is more concentrated...
may be it is none that was more concentrated than..


In this case, I agree with you that "None" may imply anything here. Further details will definitely help to figure what exactly is needed in this question. But in most cases none would be plural such as "None of my friends", "None of my shirts", and "None of your programs".There are very few cases in which I found OK to use singular with NONE such as "It is none of your business", "None of your code is working" and "None of the above is correct".
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2011, 12:02
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Dude they say None is singular..........

so whats your take on this

we should consider None as singular or plural??? :? :?


Can you post this question on MGMAT forum and ask for the opinion?
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2011, 12:19
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agdimple333 wrote:
problem # 4 in SC sample questions of OG.

none is more concentrated...
may be it is none that was more concentrated than..


In this case, I agree with you that "None" may imply anything here. Further details will definitely help to figure what exactly is needed in this question. But in most cases none would be plural such as "None of my friends", "None of my shirts", and "None of your programs".There are very few cases in which I found OK to use singular with NONE such as "It is none of your business", "None of your code is working" and "None of the above is correct".



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I think We can separate the above problem by making a general rule
for None Of....XXXX(plural) construction type of questions we will take it as plural

what do you say this will solve the problem of above question as well
none is more concentrated [this is not None Of....XXXX(plural) ] hence singular...

share your views.. :-D :-D :-D
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2011, 12:29
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sgupta0827 wrote:
agdimple333 wrote:
problem # 4 in SC sample questions of OG.

none is more concentrated...
may be it is none that was more concentrated than..


In this case, I agree with you that "None" may imply anything here. Further details will definitely help to figure what exactly is needed in this question. But in most cases none would be plural such as "None of my friends", "None of my shirts", and "None of your programs".There are very few cases in which I found OK to use singular with NONE such as "It is none of your business", "None of your code is working" and "None of the above is correct".



Dude
I think We can separate the above problem by making a general rule
for None Of....XXXX(plural) construction type of questions we will take it as plural

what do you say this will solve the problem of above question as well
none is more concentrated [this is not None Of....XXXX(plural) ] hence singular...

share your views.. :-D :-D :-D


We don't have to reinvent the wheel: SANAM rule already defines it well. I have only listed few examples of the SANAM rule. :lol:
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2011, 12:43
sgupta0827 wrote:

We don't have to reinvent the wheel: SANAM rule already defines it well. I have only listed few examples of the SANAM rule. :lol:



I didn't ask to reinvent the wheel
we all have got all material of the world
the very purpose of the forum is to bring easy understanding
if this simple understanding is going to help any one then the purpose is served :) :)
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 21 Jul 2011, 04:17
I took D.

But i missed your thought about what is the answer from MGMAT?
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 21 Jul 2011, 04:34
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I took D.

But i missed your thought about what is the answer from MGMAT?



according to MGMAT answer is A
as none will be considered plural in this case
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 21 Jul 2011, 07:42
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None of the attempts to specify the causes of crime explains why most of the people exposed to the alleged causes do not commit crimes and, conversely, why so many of those not so exposed have.
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 21 Jul 2011, 08:29
Hmm picked A as well. Need to refresh SANAM pronouns.

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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2011, 12:45
MGMAT SC says: Technically, none of + plural noun can take either a singular or a plural verb forms.

I think GMAT will never make you choose between A and D. I think Kaplan guys messed it up. Both A and D are correct. Whoever created this question forgot that that none is one of the SANAM pronouns and, moreover, none is still under scrutiny/debate among the big guns of Grammar.

I read a bunch of articles online on none of. This is the gist: Some people insist that since “none” is derived from “no one” it should always be singular: “none of us is having dessert.” However, in standard usage, the word is most often treated as a plural. “None of us are having dessert” will do just fine.

I highly doubt GMAT will test us on this, while all the Grammar experts are still arguing :p. Who are we to make a call? :)
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Re: None (singular or plural) [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2011, 14:21
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MGMAT SC says: Technically, none of + plural noun can take either a singular or a plural verb forms.

I think GMAT will never make you choose between A and D. I think Kaplan guys messed it up. Both A and D are correct. Whoever created this question forgot that that none is one of the SANAM pronouns and, moreover, none is still under scrutiny/debate among the big guns of Grammar.

I read a bunch of articles online on none of. This is the gist: Some people insist that since “none” is derived from “no one” it should always be singular: “none of us is having dessert.” However, in standard usage, the word is most often treated as a plural. “None of us are having dessert” will do just fine.

I highly doubt GMAT will test us on this, while all the Grammar experts are still arguing :p. Who are we to make a call? :)


More: Seems like GMAT doesn't think "none" is a SANAM pronoun. So if, in GMAT, you see "none" PREFER SINGULAR. I thing MGMAT should add this in their book.

See OG12 SC #4 vast-tides-of-migration-105900.html
Right answer is: Of all the vast tides of migration that have swept through history, perhaps none was more concentrated than the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto American shores in little more than three decades.

This example proves my point. Anyways, whatever :). If GMAT says Singular, I will take that as true - I don't care anymore :p

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