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As virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are, New York's were built for an age of
propellers, before jet planes weighing 800,000 pounds needed over two miles of
runway.
(A) As virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are
(B) As with virtually all of the nation's 50 busiest airports
(C) Like virtually all of the nation's 50 busiest airports
(D) Like the cities where virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are
(E) Like other cities where virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are
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Re: Debatable OA ? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 05:27
E defnitley cant be the OA. It has to be C (verifie from other forums)
Is it a 1000sc Q? tht explains the debatable OA
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Re: Debatable OA ? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 06:32
E cannot be OA. You cannot compare cities with airports.

IMO, it is A.
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Re: Debatable OA ? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 06:43
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Re: Debatable OA ? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 06:45
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The non-underlined portions states an action of for what age the New York’s airports were built. So the underlined portion also should refer to some Airports and an action of for what the airports were built

(A) As virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are: The first portion means ‘As virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are built for an age . ” with the phrase after ‘are’ is elliptical and has to be understood. The comparison is done correctly between what the other airports are built for with what New York’s airports were built for. Right choice

(B) As with virtually all of the nation's 50 busiest airports …. Wrong … As can not be used to compare just phrases without a verb.

(C) Like virtually all of the nation's 50 busiest airports …… The non underlined portion comprises an action while the first part is a phrase. compares airports with airports were
(D) Like the cities where virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are ….. compares cities with Airports
(E) Like other cities where virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are -------compares cities with Airports

The OA is plain wrong
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Re: Debatable OA ? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 07:01
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I read Tommy Wallach MGMAT instructor. Let me add what I read. usage of like is superior in such cases.

E.g as did his brother, james graduated at the top of his class. : inferior/ awkward/ wordy

Like his brother, james graduated at the top of his class : better

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Re: Debatable OA ? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 07:07
In addition: What do you think about:

virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports / virtually all OF the nation's 50 busiest airports ?

Which is better?
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Re: Debatable OA ? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 07:17
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I read Tommy Wallach MGMAT instructor. Let me add what I read. usage of like is superior in such cases.

E.g as did his brother, james graduated at the top of his class. : inferior/ awkward/ wordy

Like his brother, james graduated at the top of his class : better



I haven’t read Tommy much; I hope the comments are his won. But, yes, may be it sounds better because Tommy must be a native speaker and he must know better. But non-natives like we have to go by the thumb rules because we have nothing else to fall back on. In the above example, the comparison seems to be between a person and another pardon’s action namely graduation. That is the reason, it is ungrammatical to me, although despites the flaw, it sounds better to me also.
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Re: Debatable OA ? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 07:18
Hello metallicafan
In your case there is no way or the other. The bigger issue is "as" is used to compare actions B is ruled out. A is ruled out since I have a superior choice C. I suggest using the format of the exam to beat the exam itself. Hence go with open mind and evaluate all the choices. Hope this helps.

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Re: Debatable OA ? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 07:22
Hello daagh
Sorry I will post the link once I get back to my laptop. So that you can weigh in his advise.

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Re: Debatable OA ? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 08:28
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The non-underlined portions states an action of for what age the New York’s airports were built. So the underlined portion also should refer to some Airports and an action of for what the airports were built

(A) As virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are: The first portion means ‘As virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are built for an age . ” with the phrase after ‘are’ is elliptical and has to be understood. The comparison is done correctly between what the other airports are built for with what New York’s airports were built for. Right choice

(B) As with virtually all of the nation's 50 busiest airports …. Wrong … As can not be used to compare just phrases without a verb.

(C) Like virtually all of the nation's 50 busiest airports …… The non underlined portion comprises an action while the first part is a phrase. compares airports with airports were
(D) Like the cities where virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are ….. compares cities with Airports
(E) Like other cities where virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are -------compares cities with Airports

The OA is plain wrong


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i am surprised with how meticulously u pick nuances; be it the - the impact of "at least as great" in another question or 'elliptical' in this one. kudos.

could you pls shower more light how to catch these situations.. .
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Re: Debatable OA ? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 08:36
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i don't know to agree with you or not. i too had picked C

As learned, "like" v/s "as" could be governed by if we are intending to compare 'two nouns' or 'two nouns doing two actions'

in this case; we seem to be comparing "the fact that all 50 airports and Newyork's airport were built for an age . . . " . . . and NOT. . . "how were the 50 airports and Newyork's airport built". Thus C seems fine

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Re: Debatable OA ? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 09:14
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In C, the first arm mentions all other airports, while the second part mentions the New York’s airports were built for what age. Per se, the comparison is not between all other airports and New York’s airports. That is the reason the comparison is not gelling. Otherwise, we have to say -like all other airports are built for bla, bla) New York’s were -. But while this will be logically correct, the comparison is not grammatically correct. It is best to use a clause with ‘as’ and complete the comparison logically and grammatically.
For example will you say-
Like London Airport, New York Airport handles ten million passengers a year. This is wrong becos it compares an airport with an action
Like London Airport does, New York Airport handles ten million passengers a year. This is also wrong because ‘like’ is used to compare two actions.

As London Airport does, New York Airport handles ten million passengers a year. This is the correct version as two actions are compared by using the comparator ‘as
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Re: Debatable OA ? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 16:37
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In C, the first arm mentions all other airports, while the second part mentions the New York’s airports were built for what age. Per se, the comparison is not between all other airports and New York’s airports. That is the reason the comparison is not gelling. Otherwise, we have to say -like all other airports are built for bla, bla) New York’s were -. But while this will be logically correct, the comparison is not grammatically correct. It is best to use a clause with ‘as’ and complete the comparison logically and grammatically.
For example will you say-
Like London Airport, New York Airport handles ten million passengers a year. This is wrong becos it compares an airport with an action
Like London Airport does, New York Airport handles ten million passengers a year. This is also wrong because ‘like’ is used to compare two actions.

As London Airport does, New York Airport handles ten million passengers a year. This is the correct version as two actions are compared by using the comparator ‘as



Hi Daagh

I am afraid i disagree on this. In your examples, with use of 'as', you are comparing airports 'doing something' i.e. handling passengers. but in our main question; airports 'aren't doing anything - they 'were built for certain age' - they are not involved in any action and are merely being compared for their characteristics and not their actions- hence 'like' is more relevant

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Re: Debatable OA ? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 19:43
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Are built and were bult are two verbs in comparison,. we don't use like to compare verbs
If you feel, two verbs are not being compared, you are welcome to hold on to your views and I have no issue with that. Thanks for your valuable inputs.
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Are built and were bult are two verbs in comparison,. we don't use like to compare verbs
If you feel, two verbs are not being compared, you are welcome to hold on to your views and I have no issue with that. Thanks for your valuable inputs.


Peace sir!

i am not contesting with you. am just trying to reason, as you seem to be with better knowledge.

nonetheless, i feel that its not about 'are' and 'were'; its not about comparing the verbs but comparing the meaning. . . I feel we need not compare 'the way' they were built -> we are not saying 'the way' all 50 airports were built (as in the method used behind their construction), Newyork's too were built 'in similar way'. . . we are comparing that they were built for similar age / similar purpose. Zooming out a bit more, we are actually simply comparing 'noun to noun' i.e. 'Airports' to 'Newyork's airports'. . . Thus 'like' looks fine to me.

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Re: Debatable OA ? [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2011, 22:05
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gmat 1220; As a non-native, I do not look at this kind of usage based issues. As I have pointed out, I go by the rules, rather than by custom or style. So if custom is superior, be it.

Since MGMAT is not there in my country, I haven’t looked at MGMAT’s grand contribution to GMAT SC; All that I have seen of them is in those small tit- bits such as what you broadcast sporadically. Thanks for the well researched input. kudos to you.

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