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Hey

Please evaluate my profile as per below, would appreciate your honest feedbacks. I am planning to apply for fall 2012.

23/M/India, based in Mumbai

Work experience (total 40 months as of Sep 2012):
1.) Top 5 Investment Bank - (Feb 2010 - present)
Analyst, Middle East Advisory
# Started this team in my division
# Single member team in India with other team members in Dubai, Riyadh, Paris and London
# Have worked on 5 deals as of now (including M&A, IPO and Advisory), with two >US$500 million. Worked with several high profile clients in telecom, fashion, Private Equity and construction industry.
# International exposure - visited my team's headquarters in Dubai for 3.5 months (youngest ever in my division to get this opportunity, within 3 months)
# Continuous promotions with exceptional rating, can get great recos from international guys.
# Mentored and led interns and junior Analysts in India and London

2.) Top 5 Investment Bank (May 2009-Jan 2010)
Analyst, Oil & Gas team
Worked on one IPO. Shifted owing to a Management buy out of my division.

3.) Self start-up, Event and Artist management company (June 2010 - present)
Founder Partner
My own start up (work parallel to JPM), have managed and organised 2 events until now, and 3 in pipeline. Major ones being:
# Metal festival with 7 indian and 2 international bands (from UK and France), total attendance of over 500, sponsorship and corporate tieups, and celebrity presence.
# Fund raising for a micro finance NGO - a play and concert, total attendance around 400, high celeb presence
# Pipeline includes movie festival and music events for the cultural festival for a top 3 Indian B-school
# Part time because of lack of confidence and resources (network, capital) to pursue it full time.

Education
# Mechanical Engineer, Top 5 engineering institute in India
# GPA 3.0
# Excellent leadership and extra currics - started the debating society and initiated several international tie-ups. high level of international and national level event management, right from initiation to management. Have headed technical, cultural, debating and theater societies

Extra-curriculars
# 1 Patent pending approval
# Scripted and directed a play for fund raising, casting poor children for their sponsorship
# Tutored the workers at my internship company in Physics, Chemistry and Maths for their distance learning education
# Published poet and writer for my alumni magazine
# Presented Paper on 'Distorted Mirrors'
# Member, Indian Mathematics Society and Toastmasters

Scores:
# GMAT - 710 (50,35)
# TOEFL - 113

Languages known - English, Hindi, French and Spanish

Post MBA plans:
# Strategy

Target schools:
Strong diversity focus - INSEAD, LBS, Tuck, Kellogg and HEC. Would appreciate any suggestions on my list.

Queries:
# Profile evaluation for above schools and college suggestions
# Should I retake my GMAT, given I am a young applicant ?
# Would the extreme diversity - Mechanical Engineering + I-banking + Event management be viewed negatively ? If yes, can it be offset ?

Many thanks for your help!
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Hi Gil,

I could really use your help.

Please evaluate my profile and let me know my chances:

Age : 22
Country: India
Gender: Male

GMAT: 680 (Split QA : 44, VA : 40)
TOEFL: Haven't taken it

Education:
- Bachelors in Information Technology from Indian Institute of Information Technology - Allahabad. [Institute ranks 9th in India ]
- GPA 7.5/10
- "A" in Business and Management Courses.


Leadership:
- Was Class representative and School.
- Career Expo representative at Undergrad.

Work experience:
- 6 months with Motorola as an Intern at Applied Research and Technology Centre, Motorola India Research Labs.
- Have a patent application with US PTO for the research done at Motorola (Listed as the first inventor)
- 2 years working for Cisco. (Continuing now)
- Won a Cisco Star Award (Best employee of the quarter)
- Also part of various process improvement initiatives at a Business Unit Level.
- Got promoted in the 1st year of work at Cisco.

Others:
- Involved in various Social Initiatives at Cisco.
- Active participant in the School Adoption Program at Cisco. [ We developed the school with the help of funds received from colleagues and educate the kids]
- Was a member of Prayaas at college. [ Prayaas is a program we started to educate the uneducated kids in the slum near our college]

Please let me know a few schools where I stand chance with the above profile.

Thank You..


Seeker21,

Thank you for your profile submission. To introduce myself to the forum, I am a Kellogg graduate and Senior Consultant for Aringo. I will be assisting Gil Levi in responding to profiles in this discussion going forward.

On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 680, our experience shows that you will be a competitive candidate at UNC Kenan-Flagler, USC Marshall, and Texas McCombs, between competitive and stretch at Tepper and IESE, between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at UCLA Anderson, Darden, and Cornell, and stretch at Ross and Tuck.

Since you are younger than most applicants and with two years of full-time work, based on our past experience, it will be especially relevant for you to describe why now is the right time for you to leave to pursue an MBA. Additionally, you mentioned that you were promoted during your first year at Cisco. If this promotion was ahead of the rest of your cohort, it would make sense to highlight this in your application – in many firms the first promotion in an entry-level position comes after approximately two years with the organization.

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hi Gil

i'd appreciate it if you could give a little feedback about my chances with the following profile and also the kinda schools (a few examples would be good) i could apply to considering my goals.

Age: 25
Country: India
Gender: Male
GMAT First try:660 Second try: 720 Q 47 V 42

Education:
- B.Tech in Applied Petroleum Enggineering from the the University of Petroleum and Energy Studies (A niche school catering to the energy sector, focusing on oil and gas) I was part of the very first batch graduating from the school. But i have a super shitty GPA- 2.4 (will explain later)

Work experience:
- 4 years as of July '11 in a reputed petrochemical company in india. Started out as a managment trainee, promoted to an engineer officer. I am an assistant manager right now, managing a team of 15 plus people on a daily shift duty basis. Responsible for general technical management and running of the $120 million HDPE unit. I Was part of team that undertook a capacity addition revamp of the entire plant worth $300 million. Given my track record, i will most probably be promoted to the position of a deputy manager next year. I Have been preforming all the duties designated to a deputy manager since 2009 due to a sudden shortfall of experienced manpower. i can get good refrences from a senior manager and a DGM.
Also the company i work for hasnt been doing so well financially for the past couple of years, which was down to some bad choices made by the managment. Since then the Managing director has changed. i recently gave a presentation to him related to certain structural changes which can be incorporated to optimize our process as well as cut costs. some of those soulution are being implimented already. the potential saving that i proposed came out to about $5 million per annum.

Others: I grew up in a diplomatic family, staying in a plathora of diff. countries such as the states, kenya, kuwait, mayanmar, germany, UAE....the list goes on. this gave me an oppertunity to meet, interact and form lasting friendships with people consisting of a diverse background.
i have minimal extracarriculars cuz of the 7 days a week workday. but i am part of the local football (soccer) team at club level. (undefeted for 4 years running)

Reason for low GPA:
My family moved from the US to india when i was in the 11th grade. the difference between the school curriculam is staggering. I had to start from the 8th grade books and build upto the 12th grade (barely survived failing 11 grade, down to some serious mugging up) that was a time when i was putting in 8 hrs study sessions daily besides school for the length of the entire school year. suffice to say it was hell. well i managed to pass with a respectable 70 percent and got into a good technical school. metally i was sapped. and i compensated by slacking off a LOT. had i known then what i know now i would have worked harder on the gpa but it took me 3 long years to realize the importance of that gpa and by then i could only pull it upto a 2.4. it does sound like an excuse, i know, but it did play a part.

reason for mba: i have a certain affinity for the company that i work for and as i already mentioned the state of the company and my efforts to help change the situation i.e the presentation i gave to the MD. i tried submitted such proposals before but met with significant resistance due to the radical nature of the said ideas and also due to the lack of strength in the leadership. i was not in a position to initiate change myself nor did i possess the bussiness acumen required to access the business model of the company and suggest/implement appropriate changes. An MBA would go miles in addressing that issue besides

goals

I dont wanna go into i-banking or MC for that matter. General management appealed to me bacause it would more or less cover all the topics that i need to know to get a better understanding of how a bussiness works in a more holistic sense. Also I would like to be associated with a top 10 energy company(oil and gas if you wanna be more specific), because thats where my core competence lies, i understand the workings so i would contribute in a more focused sense. Also the oil and gas industry is set for a transition from the current sources of energy to alliterative energies. My long term goal would be to lead such a company, influence policy and overall help the company adapt to our ever increasing energy demands in an environment friendly and sustainable manner. Form the company into a beacon of light that the rest of the industry can follow. (lofty ambitions yes, but you have to dream big to achieve big)

Side note:
I joind the company im currently working for right outta school when it was obscenely profitible and have seen it decline ever since due to some very bad management decisions. if 10 years down the line i can look back and see that i contributed to the turn around then ill proudly say that i achieved something of note. That is a project i would definitely like to be associated with once i have some experience under my belt.
Also some help with refining my goals(if they sound too vague) would be greatly appreciated.

The kinda schools im looking at:
If there is one thing that i'v learned in the last 4 years is that the brand matters. it opens doors which normally would be locked. So yes im looking at top tier schools and my question is what kinda schools would i have a realistic chance of getting accepted into? I have no concrete preference country wise, the school/program has to be good. And i would be comfortable working in any country, i have no preferences their either.
again thanks for the reply,i appreciate it.
Also what kinda chance would i have at LBS? they have a strong Asian bent with regards to their programs.

Finally: Thank You for putting up with this horrendously long post. but i have been lost for the past couple of weeks with regard to the kind of colleges i should apply to. thank you again for the feed back.

P.S: apologies for the spelling mistakes, one of my perrinial weaknesses.


Spellbinder,

Thank you for the profile submission. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 720, our experience shows that you will be a stretch candidate at LBS. You would be competitive at UNC Kenan-Flagler and Texas McCombs, between competitive and stretch at Tepper and IESE, and between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at Darden and Cornell.

The fact that you moved to India during high school helps to explain your high school GPA and performance, but in my view would explain much less about your GPA achieved during your undergraduate experience.

For sure, discuss your presentations at work and the cost-savings successes in both your CV and essays – these are significant and important accomplishments. At the same time, in our experience, you may want to pay careful attention about the wording of your recommendations that you put forth to your management team when you elaborate on them in your application. Referring to them as “radical” may cause the admissions committee to think that you did not consider whether the ideas could be reasonably implemented at your firm and may cause them to (incorrectly) question your judgment or business acumen.

Your future goals have a good alignment with your past background, although it would help if you started to learn more and became involved with clean technology prior to your applications.

Finally, regarding the spelling topic that you brought up, make sure that you have at least a few people read your essays who have solid English skills to help you with finding any spelling or formatting mistakes prior to submission. Similarly, keep in mind that the admission committees take into account any and all documented communications with candidates when they make decisions. As such, if you write emails to the admission committees with questions during the application process, or if you connect with students on school websites, also make sure to double-check your spelling and the general presentation in any messages.

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I am planning to take an MBA (top 10 Biz Schools; in particular Wharton, Harvard, London Business School, Columbia, INSEAD, MIT) in the next 1-2 years.
Age: 26
Nationality: Italian
Languages: Fluent in Italian, English, German. Good command of French, Spanish.
GMAT: N/A

Studies:
Bachelor in Business Administration (Bocconi University), GPA: 28/30, Final Grade 110/110
Thesis on Information Systems: The implementation of an ERP Solution
Fudan University (Shanghai) - 1 month course
MSc in Economics of Innovation and Technology (Bocconi University), GPA 29,5/30, Final Grande: 110/110 cum laude
Thesis in corporate Finance: Using real options to evaluate industrial investments in FMCG industry
Msc in Business Admn. (CBS) (Double Degree Program)

Post Graduate work exp:
Luxembourg (1,5 years): FMCG multinational company (7Bn € Turnover), Strategy and Business Planning, working in the worldwide CEO dep., administrator of the group financial simulator tool.
Germany (1 year): same company, Shopper MKTG Manager (depicted by Bain Germany as the best practice in this country), working together with the sales team responsible for 50% local company`s turnover (approx. 800M €). Developed innovative quantitative projects that enhanced retailers' turnover.

Activities:
Talent Management Workshop (CBS) for a 3bn€ industrial manufacturing company operating worldwide: been selected as a talent ambassador together with other 4 Scandinavian students in order to develop a Strategy plan focused on how to find, evaluate and retain best people. Direct involvment with general managers/directors from all over the world.
Category Manager certification: coming soon
Partecipated for 1 year in a social housing project
Active member of the Rotaract Club
At the age of 17 I developed and managed an Information System for the local authorities regarding economic development.

Reason for doing an MBA:
I would like to further my own business. I am going to launch two innovative companies and I believe a MBA program will give me the chance to climb my learning curve quickly.

GMAT: I hope to hit a score around 700, but you never know...

What is your advise? Timing? Schools? What I need to strenghten in my profile?

Thanks!


Encrypton,

Thank you for your profile submission. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and an assumed GMAT score of 700, our experience shows that you will be a stretch candidate at Harvard, between competitive and stretch at Wharton, between competitive and stretch (closer to competitive) at Columbia, competitive at INSEAD and MIT Sloan, and strong at LBS.

However, one of the most important aspects of your application, based on our past interactions with candidates, is that you already have the Msc in business administration. We believe the fact that you have an MBA (or, at least, a degree that sounds similar to an MBA) will make it more difficult for you to gain admission. You will have to provide a (very) convincing explanation for why you need another MBA. There are some programs (for example, Haas and Darden) where you cannot apply because of already having this degree.

The fact that you have strategy and business planning work responsibilities early on in your career is indeed impressive, and definitely make sure to include the finding from Bain’s Germany office about the best practices in your division in your essays and/or CV.

Regarding your career goals, it may make sense to elaborate on why you are planning on launching two innovative companies instead of one. Additionally, you may consider discussing your plans for the company you feel has the most promise, or you may consider talking about these two companies that might launch at different stages in a post-MBA career. Otherwise, the admission committees may question your ability to successfully launch two companies simultaneously.

In terms of future steps that you can take (besides taking the GMAT), you may want to gain more exposure and knowledge in the industry that you are planning to launch a business. This will make your plans more realistic and give more of a direct tie to your past.

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Please evaluate my profile as per below, would appreciate your honest feedbacks. I am planning to apply for fall 2012.

23/M/India, based in Mumbai

Work experience (total 40 months as of Sep 2012):
1.) Top 5 Investment Bank - (Feb 2010 - present)
Analyst, Middle East Advisory
# Started this team in my division
# Single member team in India with other team members in Dubai, Riyadh, Paris and London
# Have worked on 5 deals as of now (including M&A, IPO and Advisory), with two >US$500 million. Worked with several high profile clients in telecom, fashion, Private Equity and construction industry.
# International exposure - visited my team's headquarters in Dubai for 3.5 months (youngest ever in my division to get this opportunity, within 3 months)
# Continuous promotions with exceptional rating, can get great recos from international guys.
# Mentored and led interns and junior Analysts in India and London

2.) Top 5 Investment Bank (May 2009-Jan 2010)
Analyst, Oil & Gas team
Worked on one IPO. Shifted owing to a Management buy out of my division.

3.) Self start-up, Event and Artist management company (June 2010 - present)
Founder Partner
My own start up (work parallel to JPM), have managed and organised 2 events until now, and 3 in pipeline. Major ones being:
# Metal festival with 7 indian and 2 international bands (from UK and France), total attendance of over 500, sponsorship and corporate tieups, and celebrity presence.
# Fund raising for a micro finance NGO - a play and concert, total attendance around 400, high celeb presence
# Pipeline includes movie festival and music events for the cultural festival for a top 3 Indian B-school
# Part time because of lack of confidence and resources (network, capital) to pursue it full time.

Education
# Mechanical Engineer, Top 5 engineering institute in India
# GPA 3.0
# Excellent leadership and extra currics - started the debating society and initiated several international tie-ups. high level of international and national level event management, right from initiation to management. Have headed technical, cultural, debating and theater societies

Extra-curriculars
# 1 Patent pending approval
# Scripted and directed a play for fund raising, casting poor children for their sponsorship
# Tutored the workers at my internship company in Physics, Chemistry and Maths for their distance learning education
# Published poet and writer for my alumni magazine
# Presented Paper on 'Distorted Mirrors'
# Member, Indian Mathematics Society and Toastmasters

Scores:
# GMAT - 710 (50,35)
# TOEFL - 113

Languages known - English, Hindi, French and Spanish

Post MBA plans:
# Strategy

Target schools:
Strong diversity focus - INSEAD, LBS, Tuck, Kellogg and HEC. Would appreciate any suggestions on my list.

Queries:
# Profile evaluation for above schools and college suggestions
# Should I retake my GMAT, given I am a young applicant ?
# Would the extreme diversity - Mechanical Engineering + I-banking + Event management be viewed negatively ? If yes, can it be offset ?

Many thanks for your help!


armaansinha,

Thank you for your profile submission. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 710, our experience shows that you will be a strong candidate with potential for a significant scholarship at HEC Paris, between competitive and stretch (closer to competitive) at LBS, between competitive and stretch at Tuck, between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at INSEAD, and stretch at Kellogg.

In terms of your profile, it would improve your candidacy if you were able to score higher on the GMAT. However, from our experience, this is not because you would have slightly over three years of work experience at matriculation. Rather, it would be to make up for your GPA, which at 3.0 is much lower than the average incoming GPA for most top schools. Please keep in mind I am assuming you converted your undergraduate GPA from India into something into the 4.0 scale for the US - if you graduated in the top 30% or better in your class, definitely mention this in your CV. While three years of work experience is on the lower side for the schools you list, for investment bankers and consultants the three year mark is a quite common point in time at which to matriculate to business school. I recognize that your work schedule (on top of your significant activities outside of work) may make it challenging to retake the test, but consider taking it if you can work it into your schedule. Definitely talk about your promotions and positive reviews at work in your CV and application, as they should help you.

Regarding what you describe as 'extreme diversity' on your profile, I think you raise a very good question. It's not exactly a black or white answer, but rather about how you connect the experiences together, in my view:

- In our experience, the combination of an engineering background and an investment banking career is, by itself, perfectly acceptable. Upon graduation, engineers can go into industry, consulting, banking, or even other roles, so this is ok.

- In reading through the details of your event management firm and your outside activities, it's quite apparent that you have a passion for music and celebrating the debate of ideas with large groups. The admissions committees, in our history, like to see candidates, especially heavy finance types like investment bankers, show some of their personality and passion. At the same time, your non-work activities, while impressive, are a lot of details for an admission member to read through (and remember) during an application. My thought would be that perhaps you may consider prioritizing your activities, accomplishments, and how they are positioned on your resume and in your application. Definitely highlight roles where you have had leadership positions, and de-emphasize those where you have not (eg. member of societies) to help make your more impactful roles stick in the minds of the adcoms.

- Additionally, given that you are interested in a post-MBA career in 'strategy,' I would encourage you to potentially include some discussion about your non-work activities and how they relate to your career goals. If, for instance, you were interested in a strategy position within the media/entertainment field, then I'd definitely say you should talk about your personal start-up and how you gained a better understanding/appreciation for the business in your first few events. If you're interested in a post-MBA corporate strategy role in a F500 oil/gas firm, then your expertise in this industry with deals at your IB firms is a connection to that future. But, you could then talk about your involvement in debates and leadership, which presumably have helped you to become a better presenter and someone who is quite persuasive in working with a management team.

Bottom line: While you do have some areas of involvement that are, at first glance, 'far' from each other, if you can connect them with a theme in some way it will benefit you. If, however, you present to the committee that you've done a lot of potentially disconnected "things," they may consider that you did these items just to have them on your profile. Again, like I mention, it seems you really have a passion for the entertainment/debate space, so the latter does not appear to be the case.

This notion of a theme in your application is helpful because students are faced with way too many activities at business school and too little time to accomplish everything that sounds interesting. If the admission committee is not convinced that a candidate can prioritize his/her activities and career prior to business school, they may question if the candidate can do this while in business school and during the recruiting process.

Regarding school selection, if you are looking to study in the US and want to go into corporate strategy roles, Tuck and Kellogg are good options. In terms of other programs that are traditionally strong in general management and strategy, at the more selective end would be HBS and Stanford, while Fuqua and Ross would also be programs to consider. If you wanted to consider media/entertainment, then I'd recommend you look at UCLA Anderson.

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Hey Gil and Brian,

I have a question regarding work experience and its effect on admission chances -
Does the fact that I switched from a managerial position to a development position hurt my chances?
Would appreciate your advice.
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Hey Gil and Brian,

I have a question regarding work experience and its effect on admission chances -
Does the fact that I switched from a managerial position to a development position hurt my chances?
Would appreciate your advice.


Brainiac,

Thank you for the question.

Please consider the following rationale about changing positions, in general. If your new position entails greater managerial responsibility than what you currently carry, and assuming that you are applying in the next 3 months, that the company you are moving to is about the same size and reputation as the current one, and that the move fits well with your career plan, I believe it will strengthen your candidacy. If the managerial responsibility (as reflected in title and number of people managed) is about the same as it is now, and the company size and reputation are about the same as they are now, the move is not likely to enhance your candidacy and may hurt it (depending on the impact on potential recommenders, the fit with your career plan, the explanation for the move and the exact nature of the position and company).

In reviewing the above rationale and based on the wording of your question, I'm assuming that you are remaining within the same company. It's also probably fair to say that your managerial responsibility, in terms of title and number of people managed, will likely decrease. At best, your management responsibility will remain the same in a developmental position. So, unless the developmental position is a great fit with your career plan and/or you can provide additional good explanations for the move (very important to elaborate on), in our estimation your candidacy would have been a little stronger had you remained in the managerial post. It would have been even stronger had you advanced to a more senior managerial post.

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Hi Gil and Brian,

Please take a look at my lackluster profile and comment if I have a decent chance for my target schools. I am targeting Yale, NYU, Columbia, Berkeley,UCLA,Cornell, possibly Wharton as a stretch. I live in Los Angeles so I am also pondering part-time for UCLA/USC, but I know doing PT will not help me job-wise. I want to focus on finance or corporate strategy and would only consider schools with strong name recognition in Asia. I hope to one day return to Taiwan and take a manager level job at an investment bank.

UCLA economics (2008), GPA 3.43 (combination of 3.7 in econ and finance classes, and 3.0 in accounting classes)

I am aiming at a 720+ GMAT, I am a beast of a test-taker. Will be taking it in October once i finish last portion of CPA.

I will be finishing my CPA certification and CFA charter by end of 2011. Doing both because I realized my lack of effort in college is hurting my career options. I wanted to be a securities analyst and an expert on anything money, that's why I'm pursuing both CPA (accounting/tax) & CFA (portfolio management/finance)...and now MBA(leadership/job placement/corporate strategy).

First generation immigrant from Taiwan, came to the US when I was 15. I speak,read and write fluent Chinese. Beginner Japanese (took 2 classes).

The only EC is I run a local basketball league.

Now here's the weakest part of my profile, job:

I am currently a staff accountant at a local theatre chain with 13 locations. The work is more challenging than the job title suggests.

Before this, I was an analyst/accountant for a private business management firm for Hollywood celebrities (2008-2010). We manage personal finances(budget, royalty tracking) and compile personal financial statements.

Do I have a decent shot to get into the schools I want? Ideally I want to apply for fall 2012, but I could wait 2 more years if there are things I can build on in 2 years to improve my profile.

Will taking finance/financial modeling classes at UCLA Extension help raise my GPA on the application? Will it help sell my case as a career-switcher?

Thank you for taking the time to respond.
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Hi Gill
I really like the way you answer all our queries. Thanks man!!!
Can you please guide me as well for the MS program in UK or US.

Background.
23 years old; Indian; Male

Work- Ex
- 2.5 years total exp. as of now and would be 3.5 by the next august.
- Derivatives Trader for 2 years and now into Derivatives analyses.

GPA
X - 79%
XII - 75%
B Tech - 7.58 in computers from NIT,Jaipur, India
I know they are not excellent but may be decent enough for consideration.

GMAT: writing in this October.
CFA: Level 1 cleared

Extracurricular:
- Senior placement coordinator in college
- Secretary of the ITIKA society in college.
- president of the main technical fest in college
- Organised many events in College
- Actively participant in various activities in company

with this profile and my interest in derivatives I am looking for MS in Finance programs in UK can consider US too.
please help in selecting univ which offers this prog wid gus placements in ibanks front desk jobs.
I have tried to select few but may be i am missing out some gud ones.

LSE
LBS
Oxford
Oxbridge
HEC
IE
berkely
cmu
nyu
.....

Thanks in advance :)
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Hi Gil and Brian,

Please take a look at my lackluster profile and comment if I have a decent chance for my target schools. I am targeting Yale, NYU, Columbia, Berkeley,UCLA,Cornell, possibly Wharton as a stretch. I live in Los Angeles so I am also pondering part-time for UCLA/USC, but I know doing PT will not help me job-wise. I want to focus on finance or corporate strategy and would only consider schools with strong name recognition in Asia. I hope to one day return to Taiwan and take a manager level job at an investment bank.

UCLA economics (2008), GPA 3.43 (combination of 3.7 in econ and finance classes, and 3.0 in accounting classes)

I am aiming at a 720+ GMAT, I am a beast of a test-taker. Will be taking it in October once i finish last portion of CPA.

I will be finishing my CPA certification and CFA charter by end of 2011. Doing both because I realized my lack of effort in college is hurting my career options. I wanted to be a securities analyst and an expert on anything money, that's why I'm pursuing both CPA (accounting/tax) & CFA (portfolio management/finance)...and now MBA(leadership/job placement/corporate strategy).

First generation immigrant from Taiwan, came to the US when I was 15. I speak,read and write fluent Chinese. Beginner Japanese (took 2 classes).

The only EC is I run a local basketball league.

Now here's the weakest part of my profile, job:

I am currently a staff accountant at a local theatre chain with 13 locations. The work is more challenging than the job title suggests.

Before this, I was an analyst/accountant for a private business management firm for Hollywood celebrities (2008-2010). We manage personal finances(budget, royalty tracking) and compile personal financial statements.

Do I have a decent shot to get into the schools I want? Ideally I want to apply for fall 2012, but I could wait 2 more years if there are things I can build on in 2 years to improve my profile.

Will taking finance/financial modeling classes at UCLA Extension help raise my GPA on the application? Will it help sell my case as a career-switcher?

Thank you for taking the time to respond.


Endlessfin1te,

Thank you for submitting your profile. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 720, our experience shows that you will be a stretch candidate at Wharton, Columbia, Haas, and Yale, between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at NYU Stern, and between competitive and stretch at UCLA Anderson and Cornell. Aringo specializes in helping candidates gain entry into full-time programs, so I cannot specifically address your candidacy at a part-time MBA program.

You ask a number of good questions, so let's look at your profile and go through it one part at a time:

Undergraduate:
- UCLA is a tough school and is recognized as a top 5 public institution in the US, so to have graduated with a 3.4 cumulative GPA is actually a solid profile. The average GPA of matriculating students at most top schools is beteen 3.6-3.7, so you are not too far below that average. However, I don't see any listings of extracurricular activities or leadership, which in our experience would hurt your profile.

Career to date:
- I'm somewhat confused as to why you took a position with an accounting role after you graduated, given that it was the lowest GPA in your academic profile.
- For your first job (accountant at private business management firm for celebrities), you should provide context on your resume and/or in the applications about this firm's position in that market. How much money is managed? How much money did you manage? What celebrities were under your or your firm's jurisdiction? It is ok to list "big names" here in your application so as to provide credibility for this firm.
- For your second job, it would benefit your profile to discuss further about why it's more challenging than the title suggests. In terms of whether you should apply now or consider waiting, in our experience, it would be beneficial to your candidacy if you could achieve at least one promotion with this company as well as take on leadership initiatives. If you are not able to do either one of these (or both) quite soon, I would encourage you to look for a company with a more recognizable name within the next year or two before applying.

Future career goals and aspirations:
- You say your lack of effort in college has hurt your career, but again a 3.4 from UCLA is not anything to be ashamed of, from our point of view. Related to this, you say you will have a CPA certification and a CFA charter by the end of 2011. If you've accomplished these, and you are now looking for an MBA, the admission committeess may start to question whether you have appropriate career focus. The fact that you have achieved (or will soon achieve) these certifications may help you with a job prior to the MBA, but what are you really looking to do long-term?
- Right now your MBA career goals are, in our judgment, too broad. Corporate strategy is fairly specific, but in what industry, for what type of firm? Meanwhile, keep in mind that "finance" encompasses everything including corporate finance, hedge funds, private equity, venture capital, investment banking, private wealth management, etc. I would encourage you to pick one between corporate strategy and finance in your essays.
- In terms of long-term goals, keep in mind that industries like consulting and investment banking are quite hard to enter outside of their two primary entry tracks: immediately post-undergrad and immediately post-MBA. Entering an investment bank (especially if you did not work in banking and were in a job like corporate finance or strategy) after 2-3+ years post-MBA is quite difficult.

Strengthening your profile and your future strategy:
- You ask whether you should take financial classes at UCLA. First, keep in mind that schools generally do not revise the GPA of a candidate after graduation. So, even if you took successive courses at the same school from which you graduated, that will not change your GPA (in the mind of an MBA program). Rather, what taking a course that is quantitative in nature typically makes up for is a weak GMAT and/or a weak GPA. However, you say you're a good test taker and expect a solid GMAT score, and you actually had very strong scores in school in economics (GPA 3.7). As such, in our experience, the admission committees do not need to see additional quantitative ability - especially given that you're going to have the 2 certifications as well. So, I would not encourage you to spend time on courses. Rather, what the adcom needs to see is additional leadership, initiative, and communication abilities.
- Keep a positive mindset during your MBA applications and interviews, whenever you apply. This is especially important in the MBA interview, where you will need to "sell" your profile to the interviewer.
- To the extent that you can achieve a GMAT score higher than 720, it would help your candidacy.
- Like I mentioned, either look for a promotion in your current position, take on leadership initiatives, and/or search for a position with a more well-known firm in the next year or so. Additionally, it would make sense for you to start to develop some extracurricular involvement in an area you're passionate about and to attain a leadership position or two there as well.
- Why do you want to return to Taiwan? Talk about the reasons why (eg. you have family there) and definitely talk about your fluency in Chinese and ability to speak some Japanese, as this helps to provide some credibility to these plans.

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Hi Gill
I really like the way you answer all our queries. Thanks man!!!
Can you please guide me as well for the MS program in UK or US.

Background.
23 years old; Indian; Male

Work- Ex
- 2.5 years total exp. as of now and would be 3.5 by the next august.
- Derivatives Trader for 2 years and now into Derivatives analyses.

GPA
X - 79%
XII - 75%
B Tech - 7.58 in computers from NIT,Jaipur, India
I know they are not excellent but may be decent enough for consideration.

GMAT: writing in this October.
CFA: Level 1 cleared

Extracurricular:
- Senior placement coordinator in college
- Secretary of the ITIKA society in college.
- president of the main technical fest in college
- Organised many events in College
- Actively participant in various activities in company

with this profile and my interest in derivatives I am looking for MS in Finance programs in UK can consider US too.
please help in selecting univ which offers this prog wid gus placements in ibanks front desk jobs.
I have tried to select few but may be i am missing out some gud ones.

LSE
LBS
Oxford
Oxbridge
HEC
IE
berkely
cmu
nyu
.....

Thanks in advance



ankushjain01,

Thank you for submitting your profile. Please keep in mind that Aringo specializes primarily in working with candidates who are applying to top-ranked, full-time MBA programs. Thus, we would unfortunately not be able to advise you on your profile with respect to obtaining an MS in finance or your chances to those programs.

In terms of your profile and candidacy relative to an MBA:

On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 700, our experience shows that you would be between competitive and strong (closer to strong) at IE and HEC Paris, competitive at Carnegie Mellon Tepper, between competitive and stretch (closer to competitive) at Oxford, between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at LBS and Stern, and stretch at Berkeley (Haas).

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Undergrad: UCSB, BA Chemistry, BA Business Economics, 2007
Undergrad GPA: 3.3 for both majors (3.1 overall)
Grad: Boston University, MPH candidate May 2012, Pharmaceutical Assessment and Management (unique, only program in the country)
Grad GPA: 3.65
GMAT: 640 (43M, 35V, (4.5/5?) AWA) completed on 7/30/11
Work Experience: 3 years clinical research associate for large pharma company (lots of leadership responsibilities including lead reviser of study protocols, IRB coordinator, and trainer of new employees), 2 years analyst (and published researcher) for consulting firm researching drug development practices (i.e. business development, operations, etc.), 3 years part time consultant for small health outcomes firm
Professional Certification: Certified Pharmacy Technician (CPhT)
Extra Curricular: played 4 years of lacrosse in college (national champion 2003 and 2004), coached soccer and lacrosse over summer from 2004 to 2009, Medical Intern at UCSF Medical Center for the summers of 2004 and 2005
References: Strong, professor from BU (PhD) and senior partner at current job (MBA), can also ask my manager
Path After Business School: goal is to work in management within a pharmaceutical/biotech company in California, long term goal is pharmaceutical consultant
Full Time vs Part Time: Full Time
Years of experience: 5 years full-time work (+3 years part-time work)

Short List:
Boston University (Health Sector)
USC Marshall
UC Irvine
UCSD

Realistic list? Have been looking at schools that are strong in health sector management. Long-term, I really want to live in California, so looking at regionally strong schools... Any other suggestions? Is UCLA a complete reach?

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Undergrad: UCSB, BA Chemistry, BA Business Economics, 2007
Undergrad GPA: 3.3 for both majors (3.1 overall)
Grad: Boston University, MPH candidate May 2012, Pharmaceutical Assessment and Management (unique, only program in the country)
Grad GPA: 3.65
GMAT: 640 (43M, 35V, (4.5/5?) AWA) completed on 7/30/11
Work Experience: 3 years clinical research associate for large pharma company (lots of leadership responsibilities including lead reviser of study protocols, IRB coordinator, and trainer of new employees), 2 years analyst (and published researcher) for consulting firm researching drug development practices (i.e. business development, operations, etc.), 3 years part time consultant for small health outcomes firm
Professional Certification: Certified Pharmacy Technician (CPhT)
Extra Curricular: played 4 years of lacrosse in college (national champion 2003 and 2004), coached soccer and lacrosse over summer from 2004 to 2009, Medical Intern at UCSF Medical Center for the summers of 2004 and 2005
References: Strong, professor from BU (PhD) and senior partner at current job (MBA), can also ask my manager
Path After Business School: goal is to work in management within a pharmaceutical/biotech company in California, long term goal is pharmaceutical consultant
Full Time vs Part Time: Full Time
Years of experience: 5 years full-time work (+3 years part-time work)

Short List:
Boston University (Health Sector)
USC Marshall
UC Irvine
UCSD

Realistic list? Have been looking at schools that are strong in health sector management. Long-term, I really want to live in California, so looking at regionally strong schools... Any other suggestions? Is UCLA a complete reach?

Thanks in advance!



sblax18,

Thank you for your profile submission. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 640, our experience shows that you will be a competitive candidate at Marshall, and between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at UCLA Anderson. Although Aringo specializes in working with applicants and providing feedback on profiles for those interested in the top 30 global programs, it is likely that you would be a strong candidate at Boston University, UC-Irvine, and UC-San Diego.

In terms of your profile:

- GMAT: If you are able to improve your score, it would improve your candidacy at both higher-ranked schools (improve admission chances) and more regional programs (improve scholarship chances). The challenge in your profile, based on our history with applicants, is that both your GMAT and undergraduate GPA are below the average level of matriculating students at top 15 (US-based) programs. Your GPA in graduate school partially, but not completely, makes up for your 3.1 cumulative undergraduate GPA.

- Career history and future goals:

One of the most critical aspects of your application will be to convince the admission committees that you need an MBA. With a master's degree in public health in pharmaceutical assessment and management, the "management" word in your MPH concentration starts to become a potential negative in your profile. You will need to convince the committees that you have other skills that you'd like to build upon while in business school, because certainly you have enough knowledge of the life sciences sector to credibly work in the space after graduation. For example, few people have experience in both the research and development side in addition to management/consulting within the sector - yet you are amongst this group.

More specifically, I would imagine that, based on your work history and network, you should be able to set up informational discussions with people at firms you'd like to work for in the life sciences sector and understand if you would need an MBA or not. Specifically, it starts to make more sense for you to attain an MBA if you want to work within strategy or finance. Conversely, if you want to work in operational or general management roles, I'm not sure you need to develop those skills much further - your MPH and work experience should suffice. It would help your candidacy if you can speak to both the industry (which you do in your profile) and the specific function where you would like to work. Specifically, in terms of your longer-term career goals, try to be a bit more specific than going into consulting. Is this consulting for a big firm, consulting on your own, etc.

In terms of describing your work experience, business schools respect applicants coming from top-tier big pharma firms such as Merck, Pfizer, Eli Lilly etc. or biotech firms like Genentech, so it would enhance your candidacy to mention both the selectivity of your firm as well as your performance ratings within them.

References: Based on our experience, we would recommend you have two professional recommenders, instead of the one professor and one business colleague strategy that you mentioned. With five years of full-time work experience plus some part-time engagements, it is expected that your network will allow you to have all professional recommenders.

Other programs to consider:
In terms of other schools with strong reputations that are based on the west coast, the University of Washington, Arizona State University, and UC-Davis are all top 50 US programs. However, following up on my recommendation to speak to employees at some of your prioritized target firms, ask them what MBA programs they recruit at and set your strategy based on those answers as well.

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Dear Gil or Brian,
I'm a Chinese, graduated from a 20 some university from China, majoring in media with a GPA of 3.35/4 scale.
I intend to be an entrepreneur for long term goal. But before that, hopefully I could work in management consulting firm for several years(For money and business experience accumulation).
I wish to get into MiM program of any school among LSE, LBS, HEC, DUke, although I know myself suffer from several weakness. So Imeprial collge and Warwick tier are bottom line for me. If I failed, I would retake GMAT, accumulate more experience and consider MBA. But MiM would be my priority.
Apart from what are said above, here's my details,
1. GMAT 710(V37,Q50)+5
2. IELTS 7.5
3. Graduated from college on Jun. last year. Currently working in PwC and the employment is within one year by this Sept.(Cuz LBS told me they would consider me to be eligible for MiM as long as PwC employment does not reach one year by this Sept.)
4. At college, head of campus broadcasting station, took leadership in some business planning competition and advertising competition.
5. At PwC, worked as an associate in tax department(jobs basically are bookkeepings), a volunteer at rural provinces and MC of PwC China annual dinner.
6.Run an online B2C business.
7. Have some clear thoughts about doing business in rural province in China(may be used in interview)

I think my serious weakness is my libral arts background, less competitive GPA---got no academic prize in college, no paper published on journals or any quantitative course, and less competitive GMAT(Since there are tons of Chinese who could get 750+).

Dear Gil/Brian, since I have strong interests in doing retailing or modern agriculture business in rural province of China and other Asian countries alike, I will elaborate more about such motivation when writing essays. But could you consult whether I have any chance to be accepted by MiM programs of top tier schools such as LBS LSE or Duke? Thanks!

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Hi Gil/Brian

Please evaluate my profile

Demographics:Indian/IT/Female
Age:23
gpa:8.81/10 from an Indian university, top 10 of my class
Xth:90.4%, top 10 of my school
XIIth:96%, 2nd in my school
gmat:720(q 49 v40)
WE:1 year in Asia's largest IT consultancy firm
- working in Oracle EBS, client is one of the largest corporations of US
- was identified as a key resource in the project
- primary point of contact for the clients for a particular module
- good ratings
- was class representative during a technical training program

EC:
- organized fests and cultural activities during school and college
- was class representative during college
- love photography
- charity events as part of company's charity organization
- love reading, so part of company's book club

Would it be worthwhile for me retake GMAT and try to increase my score(my practice test scores were above 750, but unfortunately, was sick during test day)?
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I'm a Chinese, graduated from a 20 some university from China, majoring in media with a GPA of 3.35/4 scale.
I intend to be an entrepreneur for long term goal. But before that, hopefully I could work in management consulting firm for several years(For money and business experience accumulation).
I wish to get into MiM program of any school among LSE, LBS, HEC, DUke, although I know myself suffer from several weakness. So Imeprial collge and Warwick tier are bottom line for me. If I failed, I would retake GMAT, accumulate more experience and consider MBA. But MiM would be my priority.
Apart from what are said above, here's my details,
1. GMAT 710(V37,Q50)+5
2. IELTS 7.5
3. Graduated from college on Jun. last year. Currently working in PwC and the employment is within one year by this Sept.(Cuz LBS told me they would consider me to be eligible for MiM as long as PwC employment does not reach one year by this Sept.)
4. At college, head of campus broadcasting station, took leadership in some business planning competition and advertising competition.
5. At PwC, worked as an associate in tax department(jobs basically are bookkeepings), a volunteer at rural provinces and MC of PwC China annual dinner.
6.Run an online B2C business.
7. Have some clear thoughts about doing business in rural province in China(may be used in interview)

I think my serious weakness is my libral arts background, less competitive GPA---got no academic prize in college, no paper published on journals or any quantitative course, and less competitive GMAT(Since there are tons of Chinese who could get 750+).

Dear Gil/Brian, since I have strong interests in doing retailing or modern agriculture business in rural province of China and other Asian countries alike, I will elaborate more about such motivation when writing essays. But could you consult whether I have any chance to be accepted by MiM programs of top tier schools such as LBS LSE or Duke? Thanks!

Regards,
Jerry



Jerry,

Thank you for submitting your profile. Please keep in mind that Aringo provides advisory for how to gain admission into the top 30 global, full-time MBA programs. As such, I would not be able to provide you insight into your candidacy or your chances for a MiM (master's in management) program. An MiM is quite different from an MBA, as you likely have researched. The MiM degree is generally geared towards recent graduates who have less than one year of full-time work experience and helps students to achieve better professional opportunities in entry-level positions than they could have otherwise secured. If you are looking to work in consulting immediately after an MiM, I would encourage you to research whether or not your target employers recruit from schools with MiM graduates.

With respect to your current candidacy for an MBA to matriculate in the fall of 2012:
On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 710, our experience shows that you will be a stretch candidate at Fuqua (Duke), between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at Darden and Cornell, between competitive and stretch at Tepper (Carnegie Mellon), and competitive at IE, Kenan-Flagler (North Carolina), and Marshall (Southern California). Take a look at application tips and scholarship info for some of these schools here:School profiles

Discussion of your MBA candidacy:

Please keep in mind that one of the strongest parts of your profile is your affiliation with PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) and its strong brand as one of the Big 4 accounting firms worldwide. In our experience, entry into these jobs is quite competitive. At the same time, one of the major challenges in your profile for an MBA is that you would have just two years of work experience at matriculation. Of the students who enter top MBA programs with two years of work experience, we observe that many are investment bankers or management consultants. As such, to enhance your candidacy, it would make sense to consider applying in one or two years. This would enable you to achieve a promotion and you'll have more accomplishments to discuss.

The combination of your GMAT and undergraduate GPA could be enhanced by either retaking the GMAT to achieve a higher score (if feasible) and/or by taking a quantitative course and excelling in it.

Regarding short term career goals, I would encourage you to not include the detail in your essays about wanting to work in management consulting post-MBA because of its financial upside. The admission committees, in our experience, generally want to see candidates pursue careers that align with their passions. This does not mean to not write about consulting, but rather to frame your interest in it in a different way. Based on the extracurricular activities that you described, you could use the business competitions as examples of how you became introduced to case problems and that you became interested in solving complex issues quickly, for instance. To become more familiar with management consulting, you should also have access to colleagues in the consulting arm of PwC - set up informal, informational discussions with them to learn more about the field.

In terms of long term career goals, you could also mention lessons learned from your current B2C business that will help you in your entrepreneurship endeavors. With respect to your idea of providing modern agriculture to rural China, elaborate further whether this is a for-profit or non-profit concept and specifically what you would like to do. For reference, one of the more interesting and impressive stories in this field is a Kellogg MBA from the mid-2000s, Andrew Youn. His firm, One Acre Fund, is doing some truly inspirational work on the African continent. One Acre Fund

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HI Gil/Brian
I really need your help in evaluating my profile. I was really disappointed with my GMAT score. I need to understand the level of B-schools I stand chance for.

Profile
Age- 26
Gender- Female
Nationality- Indian

Education
Bachelors in Electronics and Communication
Year- 2006
GPA- 7.2 on 10 point scale

Work Experience- Jan 2007 to September 2010
Years of experience- 3 Years and 8 months

Company- Accenture Services Pvt Ltd

1) My first project was for marketing department of a financial bank in US. My responsibility involved-

a) designing processes for analysis of data and compilation of huge data from database to be provided to the campaign management team,
b) understanding clients requirement creation of documentations and presentations.
c) creation of presentations on the project's progress over the quarters for the clients.
d) resolving technical issues
e) I also developed and improved processes(bugged or with errors) which saved clients costs.
I learned a lot about Business processes , financial markets of home loans and credit card services in this project.

2) In my second project with AAA I was the only one working with the business partners.

My responsibilities

a) Creation of time management and project progress reports and plans.
b) Requirement analysis and developing project.
c) working directly with the client on-site and understanding business requirements .

Extra-C at work

1) Besides handling my own responsibilities I assisted other teams of different skills and
trained them on database handling skills and also assisted them in there tasks in case of time and budget constrains.
2) I created webpage for handling PMO tasks of the project.
3) created plan and programs for inter-project training programs and trained people of different levels in the company.

Extra - Curriculum

1) I created presentations and organized fundraisers for VSO Tanzania 2009.
2) worked as volunteer for CRY on a project involving improvement of school structure and supplement meals provided to the female of a minority community. I was chosen to present memorandum to the Member of Legislative Assembly of the area to get more funds directed from center government to the particular area.
I was also involved in getting clearance for expansion on school building , which was constructed 3 months later.

3) Worked with Greenpeace as a volunteer for an awareness program on genetically modified products. I worked locally and organized assemblies in small area of my locality and in my company.

4) I participated in Creative writing, play writing, Play organization and also story writing with an Indian writer.

5) In my school and college I was active in competitions and discussion based mainly on political issues and foreign policies.

6) I worked with Bhutan government Hydroelectric project authority on analysis and study of a small project on communications for 2 months during my engineering.

7) I was active in organization and participation of various cultural and literary activities in my college and university.
8) I play violin .
9) Learning French

GMAT SCORE- 690 (Q48, V36)

MBA concentration- International Business
1) I have interest in business and politics,and this field requires not only aptitude to learn various export and import policies but also the political constrains and foreign policies of a country.

Post MBA

1) Work in shipping or export based company.
2) After 2 or 3 years, I am interested in studying Masters in foreign services/Phd and JD. and ultimately work for public services.

Thank you
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Hi Gil/Brian

Please evaluate my profile

Demographics:Indian/IT/Female
Age:23
gpa:8.81/10 from an Indian university, top 10 of my class
Xth:90.4%, top 10 of my school
XIIth:96%, 2nd in my school
gmat:720(q 49 v40)
WE:1 year in Asia's largest IT consultancy firm
- working in Oracle EBS, client is one of the largest corporations of US
- was identified as a key resource in the project
- primary point of contact for the clients for a particular module
- good ratings
- was class representative during a technical training program

EC:
- organized fests and cultural activities during school and college
- was class representative during college
- love photography
- charity events as part of company's charity organization
- love reading, so part of company's book club

Would it be worthwhile for me retake GMAT and try to increase my score(my practice test scores were above 750, but unfortunately, was sick during test day)?



Inspired,

Thank you for submitting your profile. Since you did not list specific schools, I'll provide some guidance on a handful of programs for your reference. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 720, our experience shows that you will be a stretch at Harvard, between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at Kellogg, between competitive and stretch at INSEAD, competitive at Ross and Tuck, and between competitive and strong (closer to strong) at Darden and Cornell.

With respect to taking the GMAT again, based on the context you provided, I would say it would make sense for another attempt. First, you should feel good that you were able to score a 720 while less than 100% physically. If you consistently scored at or above 750 (30 points higher than your current score), it's reasonable to take it again. Keep in mind, though, that on a second attempt many students report similar (or even lower) GMAT scores so nothing is guaranteed. Your high school test marks are impressive but typically would be used, in our experience, to offset a lower than average GMAT or GPA. Your strength is in your statistics in both of these areas, and the high school test scores can't speak towards your leadership abilities, for example.

These remarks above regarding a retake of the GMAT are especially relevant for you, given a few opportunities in your profile. Let's go through these:

1) Why MBA and career goals
You did not elaborate on these. Given that you have one year of full-time work experience to date, it's important to spend time thinking about what you want out of an MBA and what you'd like to do in the short and long term. It's even more relevant as there are many applicants in the Indian IT background pool who apply each year, so your goals should be differentiated.

2) Leadership
Right now I see more participation in your activities, vs. leadership, at least in the way that I interpret your involvement at work and in extracurricular endeavors. For example, in the events you organized in college, it's important that you (hopefully) held a leadership position and title and organized events of large scale - elaborate on these in the CV.

3) Undergraduate school
Your GPA is outstanding but helps you less, in our experience, if it's from a university not near the top of the rankings of universities in India.

4) Work experience
With just one year of experience to date, and two years at matriculation, you will need to find good stories that elaborate on your specific accomplishments and leadership potential. Focus in particular on stories that talk about communication, persuasion, presentations with clients, etc. Why? With your (presumably) technical academic background and high GPA / GMAT, admission committees do not generally need to be presented with much more evidence of your analytical skills. Include a bit on this area in the essays, but I would not recommend that you spend the majority of the essays on this topic. Rather, from our client interactions, the adcoms need to be convinced that you'd contribute to team projects, class discussions, and be an influential alum of the program after graduation.

Best of luck,

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HI Gil/Brian
I really need your help in evaluating my profile. I was really disappointed with my GMAT score. I need to understand the level of B-schools I stand chance for.

Profile
Age- 26
Gender- Female
Nationality- Indian

Education
Bachelors in Electronics and Communication
Year- 2006
GPA- 7.2 on 10 point scale

Work Experience- Jan 2007 to September 2010
Years of experience- 3 Years and 8 months

Company- Accenture Services Pvt Ltd

1) My first project was for marketing department of a financial bank in US. My responsibility involved-

a) designing processes for analysis of data and compilation of huge data from database to be provided to the campaign management team,
b) understanding clients requirement creation of documentations and presentations.
c) creation of presentations on the project's progress over the quarters for the clients.
d) resolving technical issues
e) I also developed and improved processes(bugged or with errors) which saved clients costs.
I learned a lot about Business processes , financial markets of home loans and credit card services in this project.

2) In my second project with AAA I was the only one working with the business partners.

My responsibilities

a) Creation of time management and project progress reports and plans.
b) Requirement analysis and developing project.
c) working directly with the client on-site and understanding business requirements .

Extra-C at work

1) Besides handling my own responsibilities I assisted other teams of different skills and
trained them on database handling skills and also assisted them in there tasks in case of time and budget constrains.
2) I created webpage for handling PMO tasks of the project.
3) created plan and programs for inter-project training programs and trained people of different levels in the company.

Extra - Curriculum

1) I created presentations and organized fundraisers for VSO Tanzania 2009.
2) worked as volunteer for CRY on a project involving improvement of school structure and supplement meals provided to the female of a minority community. I was chosen to present memorandum to the Member of Legislative Assembly of the area to get more funds directed from center government to the particular area.
I was also involved in getting clearance for expansion on school building , which was constructed 3 months later.

3) Worked with Greenpeace as a volunteer for an awareness program on genetically modified products. I worked locally and organized assemblies in small area of my locality and in my company.

4) I participated in Creative writing, play writing, Play organization and also story writing with an Indian writer.

5) In my school and college I was active in competitions and discussion based mainly on political issues and foreign policies.

6) I worked with Bhutan government Hydroelectric project authority on analysis and study of a small project on communications for 2 months during my engineering.

7) I was active in organization and participation of various cultural and literary activities in my college and university.
8) I play violin .
9) Learning French

GMAT SCORE- 690 (Q48, V36)

MBA concentration- International Business
1) I have interest in business and politics,and this field requires not only aptitude to learn various export and import policies but also the political constrains and foreign policies of a country.

Post MBA

1) Work in shipping or export based company.
2) After 2 or 3 years, I am interested in studying Masters in foreign services/Phd and JD. and ultimately work for public services.

Thank you



medha13,

Thank you for submitting your profile. Since you did not list specific schools, I'll provide some guidance on a handful of programs for your reference. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 690, our experience shows that you will be a stretch candidate at Harvard, Wharton, and Kellogg, between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at Ross and LBS, between competitive and stretch (closer to competitive) at Darden and Cornell, and between competitive and strong (closer to strong) at UNC Kenan-Flagler and Texas McCombs.

The strengths, as I see them, in your profile are your alignment to the Accenture brand and your impressive extracurricular involvement. That being said, a few areas to keep in mind:

1) Career goals
These are specific and interesting, and build on some prior experience - all great! You could potentially talk about your experience with Greenpeace and the Bhutan government as activities that inspired you to go into international business. Additionally, negotiations are critical in importing/exporting and international business. You could discuss improving in that subject (which has become much more scientific in the last 20 years, in part because of top business schools' research) as a reason to obtain an MBA. For your long term goal discussion in the essays, in our experience, you may consider listing fewer academic programs as possibilities. Do you need a masters, PhD, and JD for this field, or 2 of these 3? Talk to a few people in the sector and understand which one might be most useful. Otherwise, the admission committees may have the (incorrect) impression you did not research the field enough or that you are not focused enough.

2) Work experience
What is the gap after September 2010? Make sure that this is explained in your application. On a related note, if you were promoted at Accenture in your 3.5+ years there, mention it. Try to quantify your client results more on your CV, if you have not done so already. For instance, line item e) with the financial bank should be quantified in the CV. Make sure when you refer to work experience that there are no acronyms listed. Instead, spell out the words and provide a brief contextual introduction (eg. second-largest firm in XX industry in YY country).

3) Extracurriculars
This is a strength of yours, as I mentioned. However, based on our experience, you may consider focusing your attention in your CV and application more on activities that involved leadership, alignment with your future career goals, and/or the biggest impact with a "big name" organization. Otherwise, your accomplishments could get "lost" a bit as the adcoms read through everything that you have been involved with over the years.

You mention that you were not pleased with your GMAT score. In general, this Aringo video provides some general ideas and strategies for how to deal with a low GMAT score: Low GMAT Lecture

Best of luck,

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New post 03 Aug 2011, 21:50
Hi Brian,
I really appreciate your help.

I have selected couple colleges on the basis of programs.
Do you think I can get in to Boston or Georgetown ?
and I have studied few management subjects in my degree program such as
Group and Cooperative Processes
Human Resource Management
project management
Managerial Economics
Entrepreneurship
Financial management

Do you think if I highlight these it would help any better ?

Thanks for your help again.
Regards
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